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Sen. Mark Udall, Bashing CIA, Reveals Classified Findings on Interrogation ProgramThe CIA is lying, the Colorado Democrat said on the Senate floor Wednesday.
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In a career-defining speech, Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO) took to the Senate floor Wednesday to disclose classified information regarding an internal CIA investigation into the agencys Bush-era enhanced interrogation techniques,' National Journal reports.
Udall began revealing key conclusions from the so-called Panetta Review, written in 2011 and named after then-CIA Director Leon Panetta. Udall says that the Panetta Review gives evidence that the CIA is still lying about the scope of enhanced interrogation techniques used during the Bush administration.
the rest:http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/sen-mark-udall-bashing-cia-reveals-classified-findings-on-interrogation-program-20141210
http://politicalwire.com/2014/12/10/udall-discloses-classified-info-to-prove-cia-is-lying/
Autumn
(45,111 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)I wish they all had such integrity.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)He lost his re-election bid to an asshat teabagger.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)I have no problem with him revealing anything but the headline makes it sound like there's a smoking gun. The article, not so much.
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randome
(34,845 posts)The CIA is lying? Lying about what? There is a lot of Udall casting aspersions on the Administration but what, exactly, has he revealed that we didn't already know? Looking beyond the soundbites, I honestly don't see anything.
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840high
(17,196 posts)are needed.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to know what was going on than any random posters on the internet.
I'm glad he spoke up. Whether people believe him or not is up to them; I do believe him.
Autumn
(45,111 posts)This is Udall's shining moment.
Go!!!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)I suggest the senator avoid small passenger planes from now on. The 1% will not be happy with him. And we all know what they do.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And the Republican IT guy, McDonnell, who fixed election results for Rove.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Grass is green
Water flows downhill
The sun rises in the east
madamesilverspurs
(15,806 posts)We will miss him. His replacement is utterly devoid of honesty, integrity, or any measure of commitment to the people he will pretend to serve. Colorado lost a senator, the Koch brothers gained one.
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)the GOP will be pushing him for president, just wait and see. The new golden boy.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)critical and seek truth in analyzing the words of potential 'leaders'. The proof is that majority did not think or just didn't give a damn is Nov. 4, 2014. No use crying over spilled milk I told myself, on to 2016 and hopefully turning things around.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)"Still lying."
Gee. I wonder what else We the People don't know about. Going from history, it sounds like the "contract employees" raped children and crushed boys' testicles in Iraq. John Yoo wouldn't have brought up the subject, otherwise.
Keep telling the truth, Sen. Udall, no matter how much it hurts to know. Justice and the Constitution demand it.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)You seem to need to talk to some Third Way personas who recced this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025935916
How familiar that your venom here is clearly directed at DUers who have opposed torture all along, and not at the torture and its apologists.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5767160
Propaganda is a low, disreputable occupation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5927391
I'm sorry Obama, those who sodomized Iraqi boys in front of their mothers, are NOT patriots
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5940281
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I was bashed on various occasions for supporting him. It pleases me that you've come around and thanked him for doing good, it shows you don't necessarily see the world totally in black and white.
Though your edits show you're desperately trying to reconcile with that.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/10/mark-udall-cia-lying_n_6302894.html
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)a conspirator to obstruct justice. Or both.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Your dream of seeing Barack Obama in a prison cell will not be realized.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)to see Bush and Cheney in prison cells, not President Obama.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They are the HuffPo's.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)this sub-thread up for educational purposes.
I do not myself think President Obama committed any crime, so I don't think he should be prosecuted or imprisoned for anything. Bush and Cheney, though, are a whole other matter. I do think they should be prosecuted and, if found guilty, imprisoned.
Thanks for flagging it, btw. I should know better about the HuffPost by now, but let speed get in the way of my better judgment.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/12/10/udall_rips_cia_white_house_on_interrogation_policy.html#ixzz3LXiuaDdn
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840high
(17,196 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Obama is obviously being threatened or blackmailed but he's still cowering and not doing what's right. He continues the Bush foreign policy legacy and spying on his own people too. You refuse to accept it but facts are facts. Are you also a Bush defender?
hueymahl
(2,498 posts)That is a little bit tinfoil hat, even for around here. Please provide evidence, or I will have to assume that this is just more spin.
Wasn't there a bingo game posted for Obama apologists?
Don't get me wrong, I think for the most part BHO has done a great job given the circumstances. But I will call him on his BS when I see it. And equating torturers to patriots is a step too far.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I don't think it's out of the realm of politics (you do know it's not all as it appears on the surface just like big business) to suggest that someone who always flip flops or takes inexplicable actions that don't match up with their rhetoric may be being threatened or forced to do so. This isn't Leave It To Beaver. Eisenhower even warned us and then JFK was dead three years later. People get threatened all the time. And as far as blackmail why not as Russ Tice or William Binney who worked for NSA and stated that a major part if their job was wiretapping Senators, judges, journalists, attorneys, generals etc to gain info they could "leverage" against them. That's not tin foil cliches. I know you must prefer to live in a rosy world of polyannas and fools but this is real life. Calling that conspiracy theory is a joke.
hueymahl
(2,498 posts)Guess what. That makes him a fucking coward.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)He's not a turncoat like Hillary. And he doesn't cower like Obama.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)S_Ford
(1 post)I don't think there is any harm in Udall entering the field. The worst that can happen is that he leads other candidates on moral authority. The chances of him breaking out of the pack are slim, but he might prime himself for the VP pick.
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)I wasn't sure he'd do it.
Change is coming, I hope it's good for us and doesn't hurt too much.
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)To be one who knows the real extent of this torture and abuse must be an awful weight for a decent person to bear. There must be more who are eager to join in pulling the cover off an agency which has done so much harm to the nation which supports it and pays its bills.
The men and women who were ordered to do these disgustingly criminal acts have to be brought to account, so must those who gave the orders, especially those who gave the orders!
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,806 posts)who is Gardner without the brains.
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)but they didn't endorse Lamborn. Guess they had to stop somewhere?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Someone has to do something and Obama will not. Too busy claiming to be a Christian to be a decent person. God is in the mix, we tortured some folks, don't be sanctimonious about it!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Security State. It's bigger than the both of them.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I expect from the conservative end of the Party. 'We must never try for it is too hard'.
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I want to fight and not suggesting otherwise. But it's important to know who the enemy is.
"Then why didn't they prevent Udall from speaking out?" They may yet.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)CIA has become a Nazi organization again. Takes someone who has courage to stand up for what's right and support humanity.
Autumn
(45,111 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)President Obama is the Commander in Chief. We need to reconcile with that ugly fact.
He's the one who approved the bombing of libya, yemen, somalia, pakistan, iraq, syria. Approved stationing troops in uganda, chad, liberia and embraced ruthless regimes across the world. The growth of empire, particularly the slow invasion of Africa is his administration's strategy.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Does that absolve him from his responsibility, hell no. Take him to the Hague. But my point is we need to know who the enemy is, and they have a higher pay-grade than Obama.
JI7
(89,253 posts)H2O Man
(73,561 posts)Thank you for this!
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)action on said conscience! Shocking. I didn't know that existed any more.
mopinko
(70,140 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If it finally gives those on the way out the courage to finally help rip away the web of lies.
Autumn
(45,111 posts)Udall publicly disclosed the existence of the Panetta Review during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing last December
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)just disclose its existence until now?
I'm glad he did, but I would be less cynical if he had actually done this before the elections.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)*Let's not forget the CIA's hacking of senators' computers to determine what info was accidentally turned over to the senate committee.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)But I don't think he ran a very smart campaign. It was mostly a one-issue campaign designed to get the women vote. At least, it was perceived as a one-issue campaign.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2008/01/big-con-at-dealey-plaza.html
How else it applies to perception in democracy:
Sen. Frank Church (D-ID) warned us, so NSA spied on the patriot, hero and statesman -- truly a great American.
Frank Church also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
From GWU's National Security Archives:
"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.
Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era
Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr
Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).
SNIP...
Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]
SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/
I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA?
I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up. Senator Richard Schweiker on Face the Nation in 1976.
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wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)as an incumbent in a Blue-trending state. Pot may be legal there, , but they still have a Koch problem.
Hekate
(90,721 posts)BootinUp
(47,165 posts)From the article:
He also accused Obama of failing to live up to his pledges during the 2008 campaign to be more transparent about the use of torture. And he said the CIA's internal Panetta review's findings reveal that the White House is misleading the public.
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really Senator? This administration has admitted we tortured folks and supported the release of quite a bit of info.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)BootinUp
(47,165 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and supported the release of quite a bit of info." You are soo right. Pres Obama dealt with this situation by saying the words, "We tortured some folks." Really? That's it? And he stonewalled the release of this very report.
Pres Obama is complicit in the CIA's coverup.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)other than what Feinstein forced out after the White House hacked Senate computer and threatened to imprison Senate staff?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Especially at a time when so few are willing to speak out...
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)is probably why he finally is willing to speak out.
Autumn
(45,111 posts)Udall publicly disclosed the existence of the Panetta Review during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing last December
JI7
(89,253 posts)to come out and vote for him.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)These guys play for keeps.
God speed Senator!
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Got shit on for being too right wing.
Fuck the haters.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)it will be business as usual.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Let them lie in jail.
joshdawg
(2,651 posts)Gee, who'd a thunk!