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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:17 PM Dec 2014

Udall Discloses Classified Info to Prove CIA Is Lying

Sen. Mark Udall, Bashing CIA, Reveals Classified Findings on Interrogation Program“The CIA is lying,” the Colorado Democrat said on the Senate floor Wednesday.

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“In a career-defining speech, Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO) took to the Senate floor Wednesday to disclose classified information regarding an internal CIA investigation into the agency’s Bush-era ‘enhanced interrogation techniques,'” National Journal reports.

Udall “began revealing key conclusions from the so-called Panetta Review, written in 2011 and named after then-CIA Director Leon Panetta. Udall says that the Panetta Review gives evidence that the CIA is still lying about the scope of enhanced interrogation techniques used during the Bush administration.”


the rest:http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/sen-mark-udall-bashing-cia-reveals-classified-findings-on-interrogation-program-20141210
http://politicalwire.com/2014/12/10/udall-discloses-classified-info-to-prove-cia-is-lying/

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Udall Discloses Classified Info to Prove CIA Is Lying (Original Post) kpete Dec 2014 OP
I'm keeping an eye on this. My senator. Autumn Dec 2014 #1
You have a damn fine Senator Oilwellian Dec 2014 #3
Unfortunately, we used to. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #30
Attaboy, Mark. nt bemildred Dec 2014 #2
He's talking about ambiguous stuff and 'evidence'. randome Dec 2014 #4
here: kpete Dec 2014 #42
There is still no substance to what Udall is saying. randome Dec 2014 #73
Some more details certainly 840high Dec 2014 #76
Udall is in a far better position Aerows Dec 2014 #90
Kick. This is important Autumn Dec 2014 #5
YES!!! grasswire Dec 2014 #6
Yes, it is. woo me with science Dec 2014 #85
Judging from the past Fearless Dec 2014 #7
Wellstone billhicks76 Dec 2014 #31
The CIA lies nichomachus Dec 2014 #8
Mark Udall is my senator. madamesilverspurs Dec 2014 #9
For sure! I'll miss him too. Gardner represents Gardner mountain grammy Dec 2014 #18
It's the voters responsibilty to be heaven05 Dec 2014 #63
Sad that he's on his way out. He's a good guy. TwilightGardener Dec 2014 #10
Good for Mark Udall! Octafish Dec 2014 #11
Thank you, Mark Udall. woo me with science Dec 2014 #12
The third way appreciates your thanks. joshcryer Dec 2014 #68
Are you trying to be cute? woo me with science Dec 2014 #75
Not at all. Mark Udall is third way. joshcryer Dec 2014 #84
Not Too Kind To the White House Either: WillyT Dec 2014 #13
That's the polite way of saying Obama was an accessory after the fact or is KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #15
No, that's not. But thanks for playing. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #23
"Aided and abetted" - those are Udall's words, not mine. I want KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #26
Those are not Udall's words. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #27
My bad. I read too much into WillyT's post. You are right. Will leave KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #28
These are Udall's actual words (which are consistent with 'aided and abetted')... Luminous Animal Dec 2014 #60
Thanks 840high Dec 2014 #77
Truth Hurts billhicks76 Dec 2014 #32
Really? Obama is being blackmailed? hueymahl Dec 2014 #87
I Agree With Second Part billhicks76 Dec 2014 #89
Ok, lets say you are right hueymahl Dec 2014 #92
Obvious isn't it...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #66
Udall for President 2016 - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #14
Has My Vote billhicks76 Dec 2014 #33
Real change. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #40
Tell me where to sign up S_Ford Dec 2014 #93
OMG!! 2naSalit Dec 2014 #16
K and R nt. Stuart G Dec 2014 #17
Good for him! another_liberal Dec 2014 #19
and the Denver Post endorsed his opponent. What a rag.... mountain grammy Dec 2014 #20
They also endorsed Buck, madamesilverspurs Dec 2014 #41
That's right! They have no credibility.. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #61
Udall for President Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #21
If Sen Udall became President he'd find out why Pres Obama is powerless to control the NSA/CIA rhett o rick Dec 2014 #25
Then why didn't they prevent Udall from speaking out? That's just a coward's excuse of the sort Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #29
Udall's Career is Over, He Has Nothing to Lose at this Point AndyTiedye Dec 2014 #36
Wow that's a bit harsh. I appreciate him and hope he runs. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #43
Does He Have Kids? billhicks76 Dec 2014 #34
If that is true now would be a perfect time to come out with that and disband the CIA Autumn Dec 2014 #53
You just gave bush a pass... Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #69
If you mean do I think Bushy ran the country, I say definitely no. Bushy can't run a lawnmower. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #70
but Udall is third way JI7 Dec 2014 #56
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2014 #22
I second your recommendation. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #24
And now let the back pedaling begin! Rex Dec 2014 #35
You mean there are Senators out there that not only have a conscience but are willing to take liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #37
only lame ducks. mopinko Dec 2014 #44
So some good can come out of Den Senatorial losses in 2014. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #51
Udal was talking about doing this before he lost to Gardner. Autumn Dec 2014 #54
And yet he didn't actually do more than Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #57
Torture, lying, & cover-up*. pacalo Dec 2014 #38
I voted for Mark Udall... kentuck Dec 2014 #39
Perception is everything to the illusionist. Octafish Dec 2014 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Zorra Dec 2014 #45
k & r & thanks! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #46
Now I'm beginning to understand how Udall managed to get picked off KamaAina Dec 2014 #47
Good for him. Hekate Dec 2014 #48
I agree, the CIA is still lying, I do take issue with this though BootinUp Dec 2014 #49
This administration also called the torturers "patriots". n/t cui bono Dec 2014 #59
Doesn't really address my point. nt BootinUp Dec 2014 #62
It absolutely does. And adds some info that you left out. n/t cui bono Dec 2014 #64
I'll be glad to address your point. You said, "This administration has admitted we tortured folks rhett o rick Dec 2014 #80
What new things did the Obama admin reveal MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #83
A shame voters in Colorado hung him out to dry last month... Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #50
Them doing so Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #52
He talked about doing this before he lost. Autumn Dec 2014 #55
according to many here he lost because he was third way and couldn't inspire liberals JI7 Dec 2014 #71
Sending Karma to Sen. Mark Udall Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #65
This guy got shit on for being third way here. joshcryer Dec 2014 #67
I truly hope I am seeing cracks in the security state dam.... blackspade Dec 2014 #72
Maybe for a week or so. Then 840high Dec 2014 #78
Still lying. JEB Dec 2014 #74
-- G_j Dec 2014 #79
The CIA lied?! joshdawg Dec 2014 #81
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #82
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #86
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #88
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #91
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. He's talking about ambiguous stuff and 'evidence'.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:25 PM
Dec 2014

I have no problem with him revealing anything but the headline makes it sound like there's a smoking gun. The article, not so much.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
73. There is still no substance to what Udall is saying.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:33 PM
Dec 2014

The CIA is lying? Lying about what? There is a lot of Udall casting aspersions on the Administration but what, exactly, has he revealed that we didn't already know? Looking beyond the soundbites, I honestly don't see anything.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
90. Udall is in a far better position
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 12:51 AM
Dec 2014

to know what was going on than any random posters on the internet.

I'm glad he spoke up. Whether people believe him or not is up to them; I do believe him.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
7. Judging from the past
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 01:32 PM
Dec 2014

I suggest the senator avoid small passenger planes from now on. The 1% will not be happy with him. And we all know what they do.

madamesilverspurs

(15,806 posts)
9. Mark Udall is my senator.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:00 PM
Dec 2014

We will miss him. His replacement is utterly devoid of honesty, integrity, or any measure of commitment to the people he will pretend to serve. Colorado lost a senator, the Koch brothers gained one.

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
18. For sure! I'll miss him too. Gardner represents Gardner
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:56 PM
Dec 2014

the GOP will be pushing him for president, just wait and see. The new golden boy.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
63. It's the voters responsibilty to be
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:36 PM
Dec 2014

critical and seek truth in analyzing the words of potential 'leaders'. The proof is that majority did not think or just didn't give a damn is Nov. 4, 2014. No use crying over spilled milk I told myself, on to 2016 and hopefully turning things around.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Good for Mark Udall!
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:16 PM
Dec 2014

"Still lying."

Gee. I wonder what else We the People don't know about. Going from history, it sounds like the "contract employees" raped children and crushed boys' testicles in Iraq. John Yoo wouldn't have brought up the subject, otherwise.

Keep telling the truth, Sen. Udall, no matter how much it hurts to know. Justice and the Constitution demand it.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
75. Are you trying to be cute?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:20 PM
Dec 2014

You seem to need to talk to some Third Way personas who recced this:

Forgive me if I roll my eyes at your precious outrage about torture.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025935916


How familiar that your venom here is clearly directed at DUers who have opposed torture all along, and not at the torture and its apologists.




______________________________________

Shun the Third Way spin and talking points
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5767160

Propaganda is a low, disreputable occupation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5927391

I'm sorry Obama, those who sodomized Iraqi boys in front of their mothers, are NOT patriots
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5940281




joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
84. Not at all. Mark Udall is third way.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 08:22 AM
Dec 2014

I was bashed on various occasions for supporting him. It pleases me that you've come around and thanked him for doing good, it shows you don't necessarily see the world totally in black and white.

Though your edits show you're desperately trying to reconcile with that.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
13. Not Too Kind To the White House Either:
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:58 PM
Dec 2014
In a dramatic floor speech during his final month in the Senate, Udall said the CIA's lies have been aided and abetted by President Barack Obama's White House and called for the resignation of the agency's director, John Brennan.


Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/10/mark-udall-cia-lying_n_6302894.html



 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
15. That's the polite way of saying Obama was an accessory after the fact or is
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:05 PM
Dec 2014

a conspirator to obstruct justice. Or both.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. No, that's not. But thanks for playing.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:19 PM
Dec 2014

Your dream of seeing Barack Obama in a prison cell will not be realized.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
26. "Aided and abetted" - those are Udall's words, not mine. I want
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:27 PM
Dec 2014

to see Bush and Cheney in prison cells, not President Obama.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
28. My bad. I read too much into WillyT's post. You are right. Will leave
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:33 PM
Dec 2014

this sub-thread up for educational purposes.

I do not myself think President Obama committed any crime, so I don't think he should be prosecuted or imprisoned for anything. Bush and Cheney, though, are a whole other matter. I do think they should be prosecuted and, if found guilty, imprisoned.

Thanks for flagging it, btw. I should know better about the HuffPost by now, but let speed get in the way of my better judgment.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
60. These are Udall's actual words (which are consistent with 'aided and abetted')...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:07 PM
Dec 2014
“The deeper, more endemic problem lies in the CIA, assisted by a White House that continue to try to cover up the truth,” he said. “If there’s no moral leadership from the White House helping the public understand that the CIA’s torture program wasn’t necessary and didn’t save lives or disrupt terrorist plots, then what’s to stop the next White House and CIA director from supporting torture?”


Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/12/10/udall_rips_cia_white_house_on_interrogation_policy.html#ixzz3LXiuaDdn
Follow us: @RCP_Articles on Twitter
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
32. Truth Hurts
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:06 PM
Dec 2014

Obama is obviously being threatened or blackmailed but he's still cowering and not doing what's right. He continues the Bush foreign policy legacy and spying on his own people too. You refuse to accept it but facts are facts. Are you also a Bush defender?

hueymahl

(2,498 posts)
87. Really? Obama is being blackmailed?
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:47 PM
Dec 2014

That is a little bit tinfoil hat, even for around here. Please provide evidence, or I will have to assume that this is just more spin.

Wasn't there a bingo game posted for Obama apologists?

Don't get me wrong, I think for the most part BHO has done a great job given the circumstances. But I will call him on his BS when I see it. And equating torturers to patriots is a step too far.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
89. I Agree With Second Part
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 12:41 AM
Dec 2014

I don't think it's out of the realm of politics (you do know it's not all as it appears on the surface just like big business) to suggest that someone who always flip flops or takes inexplicable actions that don't match up with their rhetoric may be being threatened or forced to do so. This isn't Leave It To Beaver. Eisenhower even warned us and then JFK was dead three years later. People get threatened all the time. And as far as blackmail why not as Russ Tice or William Binney who worked for NSA and stated that a major part if their job was wiretapping Senators, judges, journalists, attorneys, generals etc to gain info they could "leverage" against them. That's not tin foil cliches. I know you must prefer to live in a rosy world of polyannas and fools but this is real life. Calling that conspiracy theory is a joke.

S_Ford

(1 post)
93. Tell me where to sign up
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 04:14 PM
Dec 2014

I don't think there is any harm in Udall entering the field. The worst that can happen is that he leads other candidates on moral authority. The chances of him breaking out of the pack are slim, but he might prime himself for the VP pick.

2naSalit

(86,650 posts)
16. OMG!!
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:13 PM
Dec 2014

I wasn't sure he'd do it.

Change is coming, I hope it's good for us and doesn't hurt too much.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
19. Good for him!
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 03:57 PM
Dec 2014

To be one who knows the real extent of this torture and abuse must be an awful weight for a decent person to bear. There must be more who are eager to join in pulling the cover off an agency which has done so much harm to the nation which supports it and pays its bills.

The men and women who were ordered to do these disgustingly criminal acts have to be brought to account, so must those who gave the orders, especially those who gave the orders!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. Udall for President
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:17 PM
Dec 2014

Someone has to do something and Obama will not. Too busy claiming to be a Christian to be a decent person. God is in the mix, we tortured some folks, don't be sanctimonious about it!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. If Sen Udall became President he'd find out why Pres Obama is powerless to control the NSA/CIA
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:23 PM
Dec 2014

Security State. It's bigger than the both of them.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
29. Then why didn't they prevent Udall from speaking out? That's just a coward's excuse of the sort
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:43 PM
Dec 2014

I expect from the conservative end of the Party. 'We must never try for it is too hard'.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
43. Wow that's a bit harsh. I appreciate him and hope he runs.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:35 PM
Dec 2014

I want to fight and not suggesting otherwise. But it's important to know who the enemy is.

"Then why didn't they prevent Udall from speaking out?" They may yet.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
34. Does He Have Kids?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:08 PM
Dec 2014

CIA has become a Nazi organization again. Takes someone who has courage to stand up for what's right and support humanity.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
69. You just gave bush a pass...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:54 PM
Dec 2014


President Obama is the Commander in Chief. We need to reconcile with that ugly fact.

He's the one who approved the bombing of libya, yemen, somalia, pakistan, iraq, syria. Approved stationing troops in uganda, chad, liberia and embraced ruthless regimes across the world. The growth of empire, particularly the slow invasion of Africa is his administration's strategy.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
70. If you mean do I think Bushy ran the country, I say definitely no. Bushy can't run a lawnmower.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:09 PM
Dec 2014

Does that absolve him from his responsibility, hell no. Take him to the Hague. But my point is we need to know who the enemy is, and they have a higher pay-grade than Obama.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
37. You mean there are Senators out there that not only have a conscience but are willing to take
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:28 PM
Dec 2014

action on said conscience! Shocking. I didn't know that existed any more.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
51. So some good can come out of Den Senatorial losses in 2014.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:21 PM
Dec 2014

If it finally gives those on the way out the courage to finally help rip away the web of lies.

Autumn

(45,111 posts)
54. Udal was talking about doing this before he lost to Gardner.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:28 PM
Dec 2014

Udall publicly disclosed the existence of the Panetta Review during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing last December

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
57. And yet he didn't actually do more than
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:34 PM
Dec 2014

just disclose its existence until now?

I'm glad he did, but I would be less cynical if he had actually done this before the elections.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
38. Torture, lying, & cover-up*.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:37 PM
Dec 2014

*Let's not forget the CIA's hacking of senators' computers to determine what info was accidentally turned over to the senate committee.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
39. I voted for Mark Udall...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:40 PM
Dec 2014

But I don't think he ran a very smart campaign. It was mostly a one-issue campaign designed to get the women vote. At least, it was perceived as a one-issue campaign.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
58. Perception is everything to the illusionist.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:36 PM
Dec 2014
The Big Con at Dealey Plaza by the great DUer Bill Kelly:

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2008/01/big-con-at-dealey-plaza.html

How else it applies to perception in democracy:

Sen. Frank Church (D-ID) warned us, so NSA spied on the patriot, hero and statesman -- truly a great American.

Frank Church also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.


And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:

In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committee’s responsibility for Welch’s death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.

SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1


From GWU's National Security Archives:



"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.

Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era

Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted – September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 – During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).

SNIP...

Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]

SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/



I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA?

“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.

Lost to History NOT

Response to kpete (Original post)

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
47. Now I'm beginning to understand how Udall managed to get picked off
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:47 PM
Dec 2014

as an incumbent in a Blue-trending state. Pot may be legal there, , but they still have a Koch problem.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
49. I agree, the CIA is still lying, I do take issue with this though
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:14 PM
Dec 2014

From the article:

He also accused Obama of failing to live up to his pledges during the 2008 campaign to be more transparent about the use of torture. And he said the CIA's internal Panetta review's findings reveal that the White House is misleading the public.

----------------------
really Senator? This administration has admitted we tortured folks and supported the release of quite a bit of info.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
80. I'll be glad to address your point. You said, "This administration has admitted we tortured folks
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:54 AM
Dec 2014

and supported the release of quite a bit of info." You are soo right. Pres Obama dealt with this situation by saying the words, "We tortured some folks." Really? That's it? And he stonewalled the release of this very report.

Pres Obama is complicit in the CIA's coverup.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
83. What new things did the Obama admin reveal
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:49 AM
Dec 2014

other than what Feinstein forced out after the White House hacked Senate computer and threatened to imprison Senate staff?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
50. A shame voters in Colorado hung him out to dry last month...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:18 PM
Dec 2014

Especially at a time when so few are willing to speak out...

Autumn

(45,111 posts)
55. He talked about doing this before he lost.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:29 PM
Dec 2014

Udall publicly disclosed the existence of the Panetta Review during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing last December

JI7

(89,253 posts)
71. according to many here he lost because he was third way and couldn't inspire liberals
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 09:18 PM
Dec 2014

to come out and vote for him.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
67. This guy got shit on for being third way here.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:51 PM
Dec 2014

Got shit on for being too right wing.

Fuck the haters.

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