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edhopper

(33,591 posts)
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:24 PM Dec 2014

The CIA has a long history of failure

since it's inception it has had major failures and few victories. And those victories are usually tainted.

Iran 1953

Hungary 1956

Bay of Pigs 1961

Vietnam 60s (Cambodia, Laos)

Prague Spring 1968

Chile-Allende 1972

Funding Bin Laden 80s

Missing the fall of the USSR 1989

9/11

Torture

and the list goes on.


Really, have they ever done anything to "keep us safe"?

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The CIA has a long history of failure (Original Post) edhopper Dec 2014 OP
The CIA has a long history of being right when it's convenient... tenderfoot Dec 2014 #1
Right edhopper Dec 2014 #4
Time to disband it. (nt) stone space Dec 2014 #2
The CIA has been a rogue organization from the get-go nichomachus Dec 2014 #3
this is true edhopper Dec 2014 #5
Operation Paperclip wasn't a very good omen deutsey Dec 2014 #12
It's not like edhopper Dec 2014 #14
And don't ever forget the exploding cigar plot... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #6
That's right edhopper Dec 2014 #7
Another story out there is Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #8
Their mission isn't to "keep us safe"... deutsey Dec 2014 #9
I forgot Iran edhopper Dec 2014 #11
Bush Sr led the CIA in 1977... Mike Nelson Dec 2014 #10
Bush has been CIA from the beginning. Still is. There is no such thing as an ex-spook. nt nichomachus Dec 2014 #13

tenderfoot

(8,437 posts)
1. The CIA has a long history of being right when it's convenient...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:29 PM
Dec 2014

Yellow Cake in Niger
WMDs in Iraq
Chavez in Venezuela

you get my drift....

edhopper

(33,591 posts)
4. Right
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:31 PM
Dec 2014

as in right wing you mean.

Or right as in say the right thing they want you to say.

But not right as in true.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
3. The CIA has been a rogue organization from the get-go
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:31 PM
Dec 2014

Harry Truman regretted signing off on it within months. "I didn't think it was going to be a goddamn cloak-and-dagger outfit," he said. Truman had been misled by the proponents of the CIA, thinking that it was just going to gather intelligence to help the president and Congress make better decisions. Almost immediately, they began killing people, plotting the overthrow of governments.

The CIA is not a good organization gone bad. It has been evil from the start.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
12. Operation Paperclip wasn't a very good omen
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:56 PM
Dec 2014

The United States recruited Nazi scientists after the end of World War II and put them to work on secret military and intelligence programs during the Cold War -- that is the astonishing topic of a new book published this week.

In "Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program that Brought Nazi Scientists to America," journalist Annie Jacobsen documents how the Joint Chiefs of Staff brought more than 1,600 German scientists to work for the U.S. after 1945.

The book describes the roles of 21 Nazi scientists who were part of Operation Paperclip, drawing on declassified intelligence and historical records to detail their startling role in America's Cold War effort. According to Jacobson, the scientists had helped Adolf Hitler to develop weapons such as sarin gas and weaponized bubonic plague, and several had even stood trial for war crimes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/13/operation-paperclip_n_4781137.html

But I guess we might not have made it to the moon without Werner von Braun.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
6. And don't ever forget the exploding cigar plot...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:34 PM
Dec 2014

to assassinate Castro.

They've been telling us for years that they're James Bond when too often they're the Spy with One Red Shoe.

edhopper

(33,591 posts)
7. That's right
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:36 PM
Dec 2014

one of a few attempts.

And speaking of which, they pretty much got everything that had to do with the Cuban revolution wrong as well.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Another story out there is
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:38 PM
Dec 2014

Poppy Bush and some dude by the name of Angleton took out JFK for wanting to disband this Agency. No wonder our President is reluctant to move against certain people. There has to be a ton of stuff in those Snowden papers to come.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
9. Their mission isn't to "keep us safe"...
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:42 PM
Dec 2014

it's to keep the interests of the corporate elites safe.

But a case can be made that they end up failing at that as well, with their wonderful talent for creating blow back that bites the elites in the ass along with the rest of us.

Iran is a good example. They topple the democratically elected government there in 1953 to protect the interests of Western oil companies. In what would become standard operating procedure, they then install a brutal, pro-American dictator (the Shah) who represses the population until he's overthrown and replaced with a regime that's hostile to the US (the Ayatollah).



"I want to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds." JFK

I wish he had been successful.

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