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but, I totally agree that this is a Thug and Thugs know no color.

Thugs know no color.

and I'm in complete agreement with him.

I've had the displeasure to hear FAUX viewers in my family and their circles of friends use thug as a generic for young African-Americans, particularly males. For example, when a black family moved to their rural area they wanted to know why the "thugs" would want to live there. Never heard them describe any other families that way, not even the ones with miscreant, dope dealing sons.

I've noticed an uptick in this use in recent years, as if acceptance of this specific use is spreading in their circles.

not in mine.

The Nancy Drew and Hardy Boy mysteries is where I first heard the term and all the criminals were white. (I was going to say crooks but did not know if that was okay to say.) I also heard in movies made before the 60s and again the criminals where white.

Could this code word be regional?

Yes, it may be regional. I really don't know.

... since one of those "thugs" moved into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

it means he's a Thug.

Guns and ammo aren't cheap.

Seriously I think it's fear, paranoia and brainwashing from AM hate radio.

I have a .22 rifle and a 12-gauge shotgun, both over 30 years old that I bought for hunting. I don't see the reasoning in having enough weapons to outfit a small army.

You can only use one at a time, but if you just get one more you feel that surge of power once more.

Black guy walks into a Wal-Mart carrying nothing at all.

White guy walks into Wal-Mart with a semi automatic rifle around his shoulder.

Which one is more terrifying? If you answer B, you answer correctly.

Rec and wish I could rec 1,000 times

This is white privilege in action. You wouldn't get many to admit to it, though.

Already convicted and chances are, will get the death penalty.

I have never one heard this gun humping freak, or his wife, referred to as THUGS - actually, they are TERRORISTS but they won't call them that either

STICK WITH THE SUBJECT

Deflectors must deflect.

and receiving a fair trial, was he??

And everyone making that point knows it.

Black people are not executed in every instance of criminal activity. The black children who are being executed by the police are not ... let me repeat this, NOT COMMITTING CRIMES, when they are executed.

To compare this dumbass to people who get killed by police when they are not doing anything wrong is a travesty, you are comparing someone who was MURDERED by police to someone who actually is a MURDERER.

If you can't see that ...

He didn't get shot and killed. That's the difference. A black guy would be shot dead right away with no questions first, no time, no nothing.

Who has this happened to, lately.

Please give me an example of an actual criminal executed by the police?

Michael Brown and Eric Garner probably would have appreciated having the same opportunity.

You are comparing Michael Brown and Eric Garner to a person who has commited multiple murders ...

Sorry, that's just wrong.

foolish enough to not understand that I was referencing the circumstances (ie: skin color) which played a role in allowing him to be taken alive as opposed to being tagged and bagged. (Of course, I could be overestimating you.)

The majority of people who commit crimes are taken alive and prosecuted.

To compare that to children of color being murdered by the police WHEN THEY ARE COMMITTING NO CRIME is fucked up.

Almost all murder suspects are taken alive, unless they kill themselves in the commission of the crime.

I could be overestimating you, since making this kind of comparison is disingenuous ... at best.

Just watch any true crime program regularly -- If they don't get the Death Penalty,

they're generally imprisoned for Life and frequently Life Without Possibility of Parole,

and that, IMO, is exactly how it should be.

He threw a hissy fit when his shenanigans were found out, and killed three people as a result. He's not even a man, just an oversized little brat.

Moment of clarity over.

You calling this particular, violent, character a "thug"; does nothing to affect the discourse that has ALL young, Black males, "thugs", with nothing more to determine this, other than their being young, BLACK males.

exposed......won't make a bit of difference to the Snooze people though. The privileged class always will get a pass. Period.

think that this guy is a hero.

He was a judge. He fucked up and lost everything and took it out on those who prosecuted him.

He has already been convicted and will do life, or most likely be executed.

What white privilege?

He is going to die, prolly sooner than later.

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The fact that he had a trial and wasn't summarily executed after killing three people is evidence of his white privilege. He actually was arrested and taken through regular criminal process, unlike the pre-arrest summary execution by police officers of Michael Brown, Eric Garner, etc. etc.

You're being purposefully obtuse.

Not everyone who is black is executed on the spot by police.

This jackass will most likely be executed by the state. If he got some light sentence then you could point to privilege, but that is not the case.

Poor example of trying to make something out of a non issue.

that analogies were drawn that categorically were neither made nor intended. Don't waste your time.

Why precisely was he not referred to as a "thug" in media reports or by common colloquial? That, I believe, is the point you are intentionally missing.

he had to act out, violently ... in order for young, black males to be considered a "thug", all they have to be is young and BLACK and male; then, it is proved by a FB post, or a criminal record (no matter what the crime), or a record of truancy, or bad grades, or marijuana usage, or because their parent(s) had a FB post, or a criminal record (no matter what the crime), or a record of truancy, or bad grades, or marijuana usage ...

THAT white privilege.

Anything that ever happens anywhere, anytime, to anyone who is not black is an example of white privilege?

OK, got it.

If I get a ticket on the way home, that is just another example of privilege ... right? Because, hey .. I didn't get shot.

Buncha BS.

Anything, and everything (negative) that happens to Black people, that doesn't happen to white on a routine, basis, is while privilege ... including a requirement that the white act criminally, before being labeled a "thug."

To your example, when I get a ticket and you get off with a warning for the same infraction ... Yep, that's privilege.

But this dumbass did not get off with a warning. He's going to spend the rest of his life, most likely a very short life, in prison.

What, because some idiot talking head somewhere did not call him a name somehow that is privilege?

Nonsense.

Concentrate on the issues as they are, racism, discrimination, profiling, and the rate on which our criminal justice system incarcerates minorities at an alarming rate. Don't make something that the courts actually got right into something that it is not.

His having a trial and going to jail for the rest of his life is only related to white privilege when comparing the likelihood of a Black criminal killing three people, including a prosecutor and also making it to court (rather than being shot in the street because the officer felt threatened)>

The point, I, and others are making is white privilege is his having to commit a crime in order for society/the media to label him a "thug"; whereas, actual criminality is not a requirement for the media/society to label young Black males, "thugs."

I don't know how I can explain it more clearly.

When was the last time a black man committed multiple homicides and was executed on site by the police? I ask, simply because I do not know.

Your point about society labeling (profiling) young black males is the issue. The assumption of guilt by the PTB that the young man is a "thug" is the problem.

Answer: It is the issue facing all of us right now. The stereotypical response when one of these incidents happen. I can assure you that I have had more than one heated conversation at the bar when the typical redneck pipes up about, "he was a thug". It is more than just the media, it is everywhere. It is on TV, it is on the radio, it is in professional sports, it is in advertising.

I have no idea how to correct it, but comparing these young black men who have been murdered, and the perpetrator of the crime walks away without even a charge, to someone who committed multiple homicides and will most likely get the death penalty is not helping the cause. It does these young men an injustice for their names to be in the same thread as this murdering douchebag.

Fight the fight ... I'm with anyone who does, and I stand up for these issues in Texas and I am usually alone on the front and faced with overwhelming odds. But I don't back down, I do not deflect, and I do not let them get away with saying these things without challenge.

As far as I am concerned that is the only way it will change, just make it unacceptable.

are thugs and i make a point of using this term in reference to them. no, this is not reverse discrimination - but it is my way of not allowing the term to only be applied to people of color.

on murder.

the point you are missing is in your post ...

but i, personally, do not look at a young black male automatically think of him as a thug - whereas, i will use the word to describe the heroin addicted white supremacist meth head criminals who are terrorizing our valley with thefts and home invasions with assault rifles held at the heads of my neighbors and their kids claiming they are law enforcement - and sherrifs or cops who bully cititzens just because they can.

Thuggee or tuggee (Hindi: Nepali ठग्गी ṭhagī; Urdu: ٹھگ?; Sanskrit: sthaga; Sindhi: ٺوڳي، ٺڳ; Kannada: ಠಕ್ಕ thakka) refers to the acts of Thugs, an organized gang of professional assassins.

The Thugs travelled in groups across India for six hundred years.[1] Although the Thugs traced their origin to seven Muslim tribes, Hindus appear to have been associated with them at an early period. They were first mentioned in Ẓiyāʾ-ud-Dīn Baranī's History of Fīrūz Shāh dated around 1356.[2] In the 1830s they were targeted for eradication by William Bentinck and his chief captain William Henry Sleeman. They were seemingly destroyed by this effort.[1][3]

The Thugs would join travelers and gain their confidence. This would allow them to then surprise and strangle their victims by pulling a handkerchief or noose tight around their necks. They would then rob their victims of valuables and bury their bodies. This led them to also be called Phansigar (English: using a noose), a term more commonly used in southern India.[4] The term Thuggee is derived from Hindi word ठग, or ṭhag, which means "thief". Related words are the verb thugna, "to deceive", from Sanskrit स्थग sthaga "cunning, sly, fraudulent", from स्थगति sthagati "he conceals".[5] This term for a particular kind of murder and robbery of travellers is popular in South Asia and particularly in India.

people with words is not new.

Only one objection to your OP. Animals have more integrity in their eye teeth than MONSTERS like this thug.

Perhaps the word monster better describes this thug.

..and it IS shit

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20141209-prosecutors-display-firearms-linked-to-convicted-killer-eric-williams.ece

Don't use either of the terms, please.

"the N-Word" or "@#$$%^" or Ni@@er when writing the term.

Thanks.