Those pages from the 911 report are what I really want to fucking read-

RELEASE THEM!

and thus knew how to bring down the wtc. But now he is (or was) just the banker? So all those years the US was just trying to find the money man?

I am getting ready to turn 67 and I think I lost a lot of brain cells somewhere, I just can't remember where.

They just wanted to make a dramatic strike against them.

such as, go do some crazy shit to america, without specifically talking about methods or targets.

i.e., a hands-off ceo, whereas khalid sheikh mohammed was the project leader.

or so we're told, who knows what to believe.

Egyptian Islamic Jihad into alliance with AQ back in the early 90s and I thought he directed military operations, with bin Laden functioning more as a 'Ben Franklin'-type figure.

plan for 9/11, OBL oversaw all of Al Qaeda. OBL had to keep too low of a profile to be actively involved in the planning and execution of anything as specific as 9/11 (though he raised funds and helped fund it himself). That is why OBL communicated with so few people and had proxies for carrying out his wishes.

Edit to add conspiracy theory:

So Osama had to be taken out because he knew where the money came from to do 9/11?

do the day to day dirty work and would have funded whatever the next plan was. Intelligence information on Osama's whereabouts may have been given up by someone who didn't want the money trail to lead back to them, though. That is entirely plausible.

He raised the money, distributed it for organized operations within al qaeda, etc.

When we beat the nazi's we didn't just get Hitler and say its done... we also went after the nazi generals, and other architects of the holocaust.

KSM is to Osama the same as Heinrich Himmler was to Adolf Hitler

http://www.projectcensored.org/16-no-hard-evidence-connecting-bin-laden-to-9-11/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_activity_of_Osama_bin_Laden#September_11_attacks

Shortly before the U.S. presidential election in 2004, another taped statement was released and aired on Al Jazeera in which bin Laden abandoned his denials without retracting past statements. In it he told viewers he had personally directed the 19 hijackers,[6][62] and gave what he claimed was his motivation:

I will explain to you the reasons behind these events, and I will tell you the truth about the moments when this decision was taken, so that you can reflect on it. God knows that the plan of striking the towers had not occurred to us, but the idea came to me when things went just too far with the American-Israeli alliance's oppression and atrocities against our people in Palestine and Lebanon.[63][63]

According to the tapes, bin Laden claimed he was inspired to destroy the World Trade Center after watching the destruction of towers in Lebanon by Israel during the 1982 Lebanon War.[64]

In two other tapes aired by Al Jazeera in 2006, Osama bin Laden announces,

I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers … I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers … with the raids [5 minute audiotape broadcast May 23, 2006],[65]

and is seen with Ramzi bin al-Shibh, as well as two of the 9/11 hijackers, Hamza al-Ghamdi and Wail al-Shehri, as they make preparations for the attacks (videotape broadcast September 7, 2006).[66]

Despite this, bin Laden is reported to have complained as recently as November 2007 of the lack "of evidence admissible in court" tying him and his organization to the 9/11 attack.[67]

September 28, 2001: Bin Laden Again Denies Involvement in 9/11 Attacks

October 7, 2001: Bin Laden Issues Video, Warning the US, but Does Not Claim Responsibility for 9/11
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Bin Laden appears on Al Jareeza, in a taped statement broadcast shortly after US-led strikes on Afghanistan begin.Bin Laden appears on Al Jareeza, in a taped statement broadcast shortly after US-led strikes on Afghanistan begin. [Source: Al Jazeera]In a recorded statement broadcast on television worldwide, Osama bin Laden issues a strongly worded message to the United States, but makes no claim of responsibility for 9/11. The recording is broadcast on the Al Jazeera television network within an hour of the first US strikes on Afghanistan, and is then shown by CNN. There is no date on the tape and no immediate way of determining where it was made. [New York Times, 10/8/2001] Bin Laden is shown sitting in a stone cave. His top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, appears at his side. [Associated Press, 10/8/2001] Referring to the 9/11 attacks, bin Laden says, “What the United States tastes today is a very small thing compared to what we have tasted for tens of years.” He praises those responsible, saying, “I ask God Almighty to elevate their status and grant them paradise.” [BBC, 10/7/2001] It is the first time he has spoken publicly about 9/11. But he makes no claim in his statement of having been responsible for the attacks. [Associated Press, 10/8/2001] He has previously explicitly denied responsibility for 9/11 (see September 16, 2001 and September 28, 2001). Bin Laden concludes his message warning, “[N]either the United States nor he who lives in the United States will enjoy security before we can see it as a reality in Palestine and before all the infidel armies leave the land of Mohammed.” [BBC, 10/7/2001] The following day, White House press secretary Ari Fleischer will tell reporters that, after watching this message, President Bush concluded that bin Laden “virtually took responsibility” for 9/11. [CNN, 10/8/2001]

Entity Tags: Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden

Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a092801osamadenial#a092801osamadenial

KSM and ObL was the masterminds?





Oh wait it was the oil. Answered my own question.

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I wouldn't be surprised if they grabbed some random guy out of the desert and tortured him until he confessed to everything under the sun.

They didn't torture people to get intelligence, they did it to satisfy a narrative which leads me to wonder if what everything we've been told about 9/11 is entirely true.

It's almost like a trinity. Holey or otherwise because the rational was so fucking full of holes.

It is difficult to know who to believe about anything, but seriously, why beyond it makes a good Hollywood movie, does there have to be "one" mastermind, "one" person in charge?

Now that he's dead, and especially under Obama's orders, that narrative doesn't fit the neocon's story. They don't want Obama to get credit for killing the mastermind of 9/11, so they've selected KSM. He'll be in the history books. Revisionist history at it's finest.

DU needs to figure how to do a section for those of us that did way too much protesting, drugs, rock&roll or whatever and explain things on a running basis. Maybe
Press 1 for 9/11
Press 2 for Koch bros
Press 3 for why no Liberal Democrats

etc

bin laden tells them he wants to attack _________________________, and the masterminds have to come up with a way to do it.

Like right before the 2004 election.