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involve too many people knowing too much.

Nonsense. Look how many people have to have known just how depraved the torture was and just how much the torture corrupted the 9/11 Commission Report, the legislation and policy that moved us into Iraq and a number of other events including even the Valerie Plame scandal.

All it takes is a very small number of people perpetrating a great crime -- AND THE MECHANISMS THAT PROTECT SECRETS -- in high places, and you can have a conspiracy of enormous proportions.

That's what makes conspiracies. That's how they work. Throughout history.

Don't be too quick to pooh-pooh conspiracy theories. You don't have to believe everything.

But think about Bin Laden. He was being protected by high-ups in Pakistan. Who would'a thought they could do that without our knowing a lot sooner precisely where he was and what he was doing. Or did we know? Did Bush know all along and cover it up in order to have yet another reason to excite Americans into fearing and fighting?

learn. Honest debate. But those that are obsessed with shutting down all discussion of CT do so, IMO, because they can't handle reality. They hate whistle-blowers for the same reason. For some reason they believe ignorance of a problem is bliss. And they try to control others from such debates using lock and hide alerts.

Conspiracies abound in politics. Hiding from them doesn't help.

Also makes it understandable why the Gov't comes down so very hard on whistleblowers...because there are apparently a LOT of secrets to be covered up.

from those comments JD.

I couldn't have been the only one who called my senators and told them no on a Majority of these "people" from the "get go"...he's chosen to surround himself with neolibs etc. They gave him the people he Wanted-how many believe he'll Now purge any of 'em?

Not to mention they are under a lot of pressure and patriots.

In fact, he should have never been allowed to serve in the Obama Administration.

Security State have more power than the president. Just my opinion.

And have had more power since 1963

can be controlled.

and they could care less about security for the president and the safety of his family. this is wholly obvious.

Clean the fucking house!

Investigate and Prosecute. NOW

Their silence in all these threads is deafening.

that we all know that it's old news and are you going to vote if so and so doesn't want them prosecuted. It's very precious to see their little tiny spin on this.

I'm voting for the candidate that is making a big stink about this. So you just know who THAT pisses off.

I say no. It's my guess that gen Clapper is in charge of the Security State and outranks the President in "security matters".

I bet Gen Clapper has a lot of power. Just a guess.

It sure as hell isn't Obama.The last president that tried got his head blown off.

He seems to be acting as the manager of the store rather than the owner. This could be a bit above his pay grade.

And scatter them to the wind? Thats been suggested before.

What is going on today? Torture?

he needs to hire his own vetted private security of loyal supporters because he certainly is in danger. now more than ever. now, am questioning how intentional the white house breeches in security a few weeks ago were allowed to occur?

seriously, the pattern of hiring of individuals with so little sense of duty that it is more important to them to leave their posts to be on their cell phones in their vehicles or have drunken orgies in foreign countries when they are supposed to be securing the safety of the president? who is responsible for this? they are lying to the president.

I'm more understanding of the difficulties of prosecution, but the bar should be high for anyone remaining in public service who was even remotely involved in torture. Obama has had a very public position against torture which is a good safeguard against its continuation, but I'd like to see the removal of all those involved, permanently, as a second measure to change the agencies involved.

Kick for Justice.

The president, as were most of his predecessors, is brave in proportion to our giving a shit about an issue. That's pragmatism as much as it is cowardice.