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babylonsister

(171,074 posts)
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:31 PM Dec 2014

There Is Something Worse Than Torture in the Senate Torture Report

There Is Something Worse Than Torture in the Senate Torture Report
It's not the torture—it's the CIA lying.

—By David Corn
| Wed Dec. 10, 2014 2:11 PM EST


There is something more troubling in the Senate intelligence committee's torture report than the brutal depictions of the extreme (and arguably illegal) interrogation practices employed by CIA officers in the years after the 9/11 attacks: the lying.

The accounts of rectal rehydration, long-term sleep deprivation, waterboarding, forced standing (for days), and wrongful detentions are shocking. And the committee's conclusion that CIA torture yielded little, if any, valuable information (including during the hunt for Osama bin Laden) is a powerful counter to those who still contend that so-called enhanced interrogation techniques are effective. But the report presents a more basic and profound question that the nation still faces in the post-torture era: can secret government work? In fact, while pundits and politicians are pondering the outrageous details of the executive summary, not many have realized that the report, in a way, presents a constitutional crisis.

The basic debate over torture has been settled. In his first days in office, President Barack Obama signed an executive order outlawing the use of these interrogation methods. Since then, the question has been what to reveal about the CIA's use of torture during the Bush-Cheney days and whether anyone ought to be prosecuted. But those matters, too, have been mostly resolved. The committee's report was released after a lengthy struggle between the CIA and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the Democratic chairwoman of the panel; and in his first term, Obama ruled out criminal prosecutions of officials and officers engaged in sketchy counter-terrorism actions in the previous administration. But there is a foundational issue that remains: how the US government conducts clandestine operations. The Senate torture report raises the possibility that much-needed checks and balances may not function because of CIA mendacity.

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The Senate torture report offers an appalling narrative of CIA prevarication. In fact, anyone who has read the major congressional reports on intelligence activity and abuses in the four decades since the Church Committee first revealed CIA wrongdoing would find the new report shocking in terms of its depiction of CIA lying (though it does not use the l-word).

The report notes that the CIA misled the White House, the National Security Council, the Justice Department, and Congress about the effectiveness of its extreme interrogation techniques. The CIA did not tell policymakers the truth about the brutality of its interrogations and the confinement conditions for its detainees. The agency repeatedly provided inaccurate information to the Justice Department about its detention and interrogation program, and this prevented the Justice Department from supplying solid legal analysis. The CIA was late in telling the Senate Intelligence Committee about its use of torture and did not respond to information requests from the committee. The agency (at the direction of the White House) did not initially brief the secretaries of state and defense about its interrogation methods. It provided inaccurate information about its interrogation program to the FBI and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. CIA officials gave inaccurate information about its enhanced interrogation techniques to the agency's inspector general. The CIA never compiled an accurate list of the individuals it detained or subjected to torture. The CIA also ignored objections and criticisms raised by its own officers about its detention and interrogation program.

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/senate-torture-report-cia-lying-crisis-oversight

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truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
1. Pres. Kennedy knew full well that the CIA lies, and thus people die -
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:40 PM
Dec 2014

So he was about to disband the CIA when he took that fateful trip to Dallas.

Of course, on the bright side, because he always doubted the CIA, at least he did have many doubts after the Bay of Pigs fiasco, so he did not let the CIA and the four star generals nuke Russia during Cuban Missile Crisis. If he had gone with the CIA's recommendations, maybe many of us would not be alive to comment on current day happenings.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. True, that.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:50 PM
Dec 2014

James Galbraith relates Col. Burris' memo and writes the story: http://prospect.org/article/did-us-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963

Betcha the same players who recommended war were surprised that it didn't happen on Nov. 23, 1963, when that pinko communist friend of Castro who hung out with the KGB Western Hemisphere head of assassinations was caught red-handed with photographs in LIFE magazine, accused, found guilty, and convicted sudden-like.

blm

(113,067 posts)
6. CIA has circles within circles - I doubt the good guys there could
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:48 PM
Dec 2014

break into Poppy's tightest circles.

Remember, Bush WH purged any agent, analyst and employee at the CIA that voted for Kerry or supported the Kerry campaign in any way, shortly after the 2004 election - he tapped Porter Goss to carry out the purge.

There couldn't have been too many pro-Dem agents left at the CIA by the time Obama was sworn in.

blm

(113,067 posts)
13. Memory Lane/2004: Goss was 'given instructions' to purge Democrats from the CIA
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:29 PM
Dec 2014

Goss was 'given instructions' to purge Democrats from the CIA

Now that Mary McCarthy has "categorically denied" disclosing classified information on Bush's secret prisons, the political debate shifts a bit. Instead of assuming that McCarthy was responsible for leaks, we now have to wonder why, exactly, CIA Director Porter Goss sacked a veteran intelligence analyst. It's too soon to say with any certainty whether Goss, who personally oversaw the investigation into this leak, was driven by partisan motivations, but there's reason to believe the director of central intelligence was not acting on principle. After all, McCarthy was a Democrat and hold-over from the Clinton years -- and Goss is a former House Republican who has tried to purge top-ranking CIA officials of anyone who wasn't loyal to Bush. Let's not forget this Newsday report from November 2004 and how it might apply to the McCarthy controversy.

The White House has ordered the new CIA director, Porter Goss, to purge the agency of officers believed to have been disloyal to President George W. Bush or of leaking damaging information to the media about the conduct of the Iraq war and the hunt for Osama bin Laden, according to knowledgeable sources. "The agency is being purged on instructions from the White House," said a former senior CIA official who maintains close ties to both the agency and to the White House. "Goss was given instructions ... to get rid of those soft leakers and liberal Democrats. The CIA is looked on by the White House as a hotbed of liberals and people who have been obstructing the president's agenda." (emphasis added)
And now we're supposed to believe that Goss, whose history of rigid partisanship is overwhelming, ran a fair and objective investigation of McCarthy? Please.

-- Guest Post by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report



http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/25.html#a8038
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. But but but I heard it right here on DU! It was just a few lone gunmen, er, agents.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:46 PM
Dec 2014

I'm sure it's only a few bad apples in the CIA.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Nothing new as to CIA not owning the truth.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:46 PM
Dec 2014

Amazing how this agency still lives on in today's world after all their debouches. Stories abound about how this agency has threatened and intimidated the News Media and Politicians. There is a list of all companies the CIA owns outright or controls,memory escapes as to were you find it. This is not just a Intelligence Agency. Seems to me this little group has some hundred plus companies.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. Not the people and not their once-elected, now owned
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:50 PM
Dec 2014

representatives. The people who own the politicians have been in charge for decades. The tenth-percenters and the military-intelligence-industrial complex have run the country since the 1960s. What the people think does not matter one fucking bit.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
7. There has been little or no oversight of the CIA since the attacks of 9/11.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:49 PM
Dec 2014

They have always lied. But now they do it now with more arrogance and impunity.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. How many of these folks who tortured other folks who were tortured need to be pardoned and how
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 04:51 PM
Dec 2014

many prosecuted?

How many pardoned for lying about the torture and how many held responsible?

Questions, questions.......

And no, America is not the only nation that can admit massive, systemic horrific wrong and do something about it, South Africa tells me otherwise

Delicate balance.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
10. I say no pardons.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:07 PM
Dec 2014

Do deals, maybe even commute sentences if needed, to get people to give evidence on higher-ups. But take it as high as it goes, and do not show the world that we don't give a damn about our own war criminals by pardoning them.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
11. Rec'd
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 05:07 PM
Dec 2014

Even though I think the torture, rapes, murders are worse than lies. The torture hurt Iraqis more than us. The lies hurt us more as we mourn the lack of morality in our government.

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