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"if I go down, I'm not going down alone."

Don't you just love 'ol heartless Dick. (Sarcasm gif needed here. Someone pls post the code)

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Or did not know anything. Fucker sure loved torturing frogs when he was a kid. It's often pointed out that kids who treat animals savagely can often be expected to be sadistic to people when they grow up. I believe it. Seems to me NO WAY he didn't know exactly what was being done. Probably relished it.

Now the fu_kers don't want to own up to it, except Cheney.

He's still defending torture.

Because of him, W, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al, we've lost all moral authority and now are looked at as a tortured nation that doesn't punish the torturers.

If that stands it just signals that we think it's okay and we'll do it again at some point.

"I think he knew everything he needed to know and wanted to know about the program."

he needed to know nothing and wanted to know nothing

He still wants people to see him as the "brains" behind the War on Terra, even though it was a shitstorm.

Snitch!

What I thought he needed to know..."

I had a picture of him right there in Dallas, but unable to find it, darn it.

It's not like they needed him for anything except Daddy's name.

Dubya Bush could have been a Chihuahua, and the Republicans would have voted for him in droves all the same!

CG's creators were wonderful people.

Please proceed, you piece of shit.

And Shari Lewis tells us what an asshole Charlie Horse was...

Who could have guessed!

The CIA would not have dared to do it otherwise. As CIC, he had to sign off on it.

not necessarily how it DID work.

I can think of plenty of structures where the "head" is NOT the "head" and decisions of any consequence are made by those that everyone in the organization recognize as having the true power, and the "head" was merely tolerated, so long as they did what they were told/played their impotent position.

It would take much to convince me that this is what the bush Whitehouse looked/operated like.

But he knew. It was likely called "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" and maybe he chose not to know exactly what that meant. But he still signed off.

in the same way a Corporate CEO signs off on multi-party deals, without knowing anything but the most basic parts of the deal.

Knowing is different. He's definitely not the brightest in the bunch.

Cheney knew.

The media is working overtime at removing bush responsibility to any of his crimes. They must whitewash so they can put another one in the wh.

as if it was ever there in the first place.

Loyal to the Halliburton Corporation, that is.

Sounds like Cheney is worried about more than his legacy.

in the sense that, say, Richard Nixon was. Either that, or he wants to be remembered as the sort of bad-ass that, in his twisted mind, is a GOOD thing.

He is unbelievably evil ,now he is ratting out on his enablers .

Interesting.... He has NONE of the loyalty that he required of Scooter Libby.....wonder what ol' Scooter thinks about that...will he ever talk?

Orange jumpsuits and shackles are too good for the lot.

One should know better than to cross a dick like Cheney lightly.

planes were going to end up hitting buildings, just that they would end up on tamacs around the country and bush could order the raids that would free the passengers

As to the torture, however, there are rumors that those waterboarding videos the CIA destroyed were made for W.'s personal enjoyment.

Others, I guess, never do.

Has stated that when he and W. were both students at Harvard, W. presided over the branding of his fellow fraternity brothers on their butts with red hot clothes hangers. The story was apparently broken by a student publication there.

white house where he could really cut loose.

torture in the 80s. That is the era that Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine" details the work of the Chicago Boys (University of Chicago grads) and trickle down austerity in that area. That was the era that American economic organizations tested the idea of "disaster capitalism" out in Latin America. They used torture against Labor Union leaders and others who protested against the austerity measures use in this test. Many victims just plain disappeared.

I think all we need to do is follow the dots. Papa Bush was VP and was once CIA. No one named him directly but many assume that he had more to do with the South American wars etc going on then than raygun did. Just like Cheney had much to do with W.

If the above is true then there is no reason that his son would not follow his lead and use torture as part of his grand plan. Both Cheney and W were involved.

from the guy who shoots his friends on hunting expeditions

like crap in the commode...

Then tries to justify using torture again.

Yes, I love it when Republicans eat their fellow Republicans.

can we blame and/or criticize Obama for this??!"

K&R The world knows under whose watch these horrors happened, even if some here are as confused about that as they are everything else.

that dick cheney jerked off to CIA torture videos in the situation room.

Problem solved.

"Want to go hunting with me . . now, George?"

believe he was sociopathic EVIL, and that the 8 years of terror was deliberate.

those "folks" responsible for torture?

He is utterly, 100% certain that they will never be held accountable, so he's spitting in our faces. His certainty is arrogant though, and not entirely justified.

The CIA's attempts to distance Bush from the torture is most likely his father's influence (as a former DCI). HW has a lot more political prudence than either his son or Cheney.

"Under the spreading chestnut tree I sold you and you sold me,"

Both he and Cheney wanted to invade Iraq - at the very least from the moment of Dubya's inauguration. For Cheney, it was delayed gratification. He had wanted a full-scale invasion of Baghdad in 1991 and was PO'ed at Bush Senior and Baker who convinced everyone to back off - for exactly the reasons that we have seen happen since the 2003 invasion. Dick was simply biding his time for a second opportunity and Dubya provided that.

To the extent that torture could make their case for them, both were heartily in favor - be damned to the morality and legality. So no, Dubya does not get a pass.