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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow Hillary Clinton can save America (& the Democratic Party)
by endorsing Elizabeth Warren (&/or Bernie)
PAProgressive28
(270 posts)All aboard the Warren train
JeffHead
(1,186 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)I was not disappointed!
Delver Rootnose
(250 posts)...the absolute silence of Hillary on the problems with this budget resolution. She doesn't have to spine to approve or criticize it. If she approves of it she looses progressive voters and if she criticizes it she looses support of her business partners. She is trying to craft the perfect triangulated message to release but the polling group is slow getting its results back,
benz380
(534 posts)calimary
(81,443 posts)Glad you're here. She may think she's a shoe-in - now. But things are changing.
I think our side is so parched and dry and starved for real leadership that Elizabeth Warren's guts and in-yer-face speeches in the Senate - saying the things millions of us have been YEARNING to hear - for YEARS - may ignite something. This budgetary mess has really given Elizabeth Warren a platform, and she doesn't seem afraid to use it. And I think Hillary Clinton turns her nose up at this - to her extreme peril.
Elizabeth Warren is giving a LOT of Democrats a clear and vigorous reason to fight again. Hillary is really missing the boat. At her peril. And she should be pushed on this. "Madam Secretary, WHY AREN'T YOU LEADING ON THIS? WHERE are YOU on this? WHY haven't we heard from you? Heard YOUR voice? Seen YOUR leadership on this? Are you REALLY gonna stand for Wall Street against the people? Because that's how it's gonna look. Especially when there's somebody else out there in our camp who's giving actual voice and actual life and actual energy and actual backbone and actual BALLS to the opposing view?
Hillary, it BETTER start being YOU. Otherwise, you're gonna end up nothing but a footnote. And a non-starter. And I say that as a Hillary supporter - who thinks she's the best and most solid hope to keep us in power (at least for now). I want the White House to stay in Democratic hands - for the sake of the Supreme Court if NOTHING else. But this is gonna cost her, dearly, if she doesn't start making the kind of noises Elizabeth Warren is making. And it'll split the party and doom us in 2016 if she doesn't start making the kind of noises Elizabeth Warren is making.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Its too easy to prove disparity between words & actions if it comes from Hillary.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)If Hillary runs & is nominated, I will work my ass off to elect her, despite disagreements in several important areas.
But I wasn't joking.
Hillary endorsing Warren &/or Bernie would be exactly the ticket for the Democratic Party getting re-aligned with core values, with a commitment whose authenticity would resonate with voters. It would clearly be much more effective that to have principled populists throw their support behind a candidate flawed by corporatist "centrist" tendencies.
I think highly enough of Hillary (& Bill) that I think it within the realm of the possible that we might see her step aside and endorse a better candidate.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)and I agree.
It would be a powerful endorsement.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)who wants to go down in history for blowing two presidential primary's?
marym625
(17,997 posts)3x.
Not a dig. Just naming someone that did. I agree with you
: hi:
daleanime
(17,796 posts)wondering if he left any writings about the experience.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Though I don't know if any were authorized. If I remember correctly, he did write about it. Don't know if it was a book or not. Been a while since I read anything about him.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jennings_Bryan
rock
(13,218 posts)If you had been a little more subtle it might have worked. Less than optimal perception is all that is needed.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Seriously?
Maybe your bias is misleading you.
rock
(13,218 posts)I haven't the foggiest idea what you mean.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)come to pass. Our party needs a reset, and this would be as good a one as we could hope for. These two real fighters would make any GOP doorknobs twist and squeal.
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)I will vote for her, but I will not be happy about it. There is no Republican who could win my vote. I am 65, have voted since I was 18 and never voted for a Republican for President, cannot imagine I ever would.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)- Sick.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)a country that once was stable had the highest standard of living in North Africa
has been bombed back into the stone age and has re-imposed Sharia Law.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)The OP leaving it blank is perfect.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)took office.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And I think we will do well with Clinton.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)how badly Bush had trashed the place in his 8 years.
The Democratic Party? Can you honestly say the party is better off, given the nasty losses in Congress?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)have you forgotten what that last 8 yrs was like????
OMG!!!
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)That. Not even you.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and if so....figures....do you want to bet me this poster will not agree to vote for whomever wins the Democratic Primary?
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)At least not the one I signed up for.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)if not....I'd say you have a bias showing....
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)To me, from everything I've seen & read over the years, Hillary is a DINO. In name only. Why would I EVER want to vote Republican, and especially for a republican pretending to be a Democrat.
I could post about 100 links to back that up. But I'm tired. I'll save that for another day.
I just think the worst thing anyone could do is vote for someone pretending to be a democrat. Nothing hurts the party more than having DINOs in office.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's unrestricted right
(+5 points on Social scale)
Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases: Favors topic 1
Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too: Favors topic 1
Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania: Strongly Favors topic 1
Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice: Favors topic 1
Remain vigilant on a womans right to chose: Favors topic 1
Keep abortion safe, legal and rare: Favors topic 1
Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion: Favors topic 1
Supports parental notice & family planning: Opposes topic 1
No abortion for sex selection in China: Opposes topic 1
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus: Favors topic 1
Endorsed Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women: Favors topic 1
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record: Strongly Favors topic 1
Expand embryonic stem cell research: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women: Favors topic 1
Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims: Favors topic 1
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance: Strongly Favors topic 1
Provide emergency contraception at military facilities: Favors topic 1
Ensure access to and funding for contraception: Favors topic 1
Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception: Favors topic 1
NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP: Favors topic 1
NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life: Strongly Favors topic 1
NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime: Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1
Strongly Favors topic 2:
Legally require hiring women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
Some world leaders are still misogynistic: Favors topic 2
Weve come a long way on race, but we have a long way to go: Strongly Favors topic 2
Apologize for slavery, but concentrate on civil rights now: Favors topic 2
Human rights are womens rights: Neutral on topic 2
Womens rights are human rights: Favors topic 2
OpEd: "18 million cracks" meant "lingering sexism": Strongly Favors topic 2
Equal pay is not yet equal: Strongly Favors topic 2
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA: Strongly Opposes topic 2
Argued with Bill Clinton about diluting affirmative action: Strongly Favors topic 2
Shift from group preferences to economic empowerment of all: Neutral on topic 2
Sponsored bill maintaining role of women in armed forces: Favors topic 2
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance: Strongly Favors topic 2
Recognize Juneteenth as historical end of slavery: Strongly Favors topic 2
Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment: Strongly Favors topic 2
Reinforce anti-discrimination and equal-pay requirements: Favors topic 2
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue: Favors topic 2
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination: Strongly Favors topic 2
Strongly Favors topic 3:
Comfortable with same-sex marriage
(+5 points on Social scale)
Increase Americas commitment against Global AIDS: Favors topic 3
I re-evaluated & changed my mind on gay marriage: Favors topic 3
DOMA discrimination holds us back from a more perfect union: Strongly Favors topic 3
I support gay marriage personally and as law: Strongly Favors topic 3
Let states decide gay marriage; theyre ahead of feds: Favors topic 3
2004:defended traditional marriage; 2006:voted for same-sex: Strongly Favors topic 3
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards: Favors topic 3
Gays deserve domestic partnership benefits: Strongly Favors topic 3
Military service based on conduct, not sexual orientation: Favors topic 3
More funding and stricter sentencing for hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance: Strongly Favors topic 3
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees: Strongly Favors topic 3
YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes: Strongly Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3
No opinion on topic 4:
Keep God in the public sphere
(0 points on Social scale)
Partner with faith based community in empowerment zones: Strongly Favors topic 4
Tap into churches to avoid more Louima & Diallo cases: Favors topic 4
Community involvement helps, but only in short term: Favors topic 4
Link payments to good parenting behavior: Opposes topic 4
Allow student prayer, but no religious instruction: Opposes topic 4
Character education: teach empathy & self-discipline: Favors topic 4
Change what kids see in the media: Favors topic 4
Co-sponsored bill to criminalize flag-burning: Favors topic 4
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 4
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation: Strongly Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4
Strongly Favors topic 5:
Expand ObamaCare
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Outcry if AIDS were leading disease of young whites: Favors topic 5
Lower costs and improve quality and cover everybody: Strongly Favors topic 5
Supply more medical needs of families, & insure all children: Strongly Favors topic 5
Medicare should be strengthened today: Favors topic 5
Smaller steps to progress on health care: Favors topic 5
Guaranteed benefits & focus on prevention: Neutral on topic 5
2006: If I can't do universal coverage, why run?: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care will not work if it is voluntary: Strongly Favors topic 5
Universal health care coverage by the end of my second term: Strongly Favors topic 5
We need a uniquely American solution to health care: Favors topic 5
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate: Strongly Favors topic 5
Establish "report cards" on HMO quality of care: Favors topic 5
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage: Favors topic 5
Let states make bulk Rx purchases, and other innovations: Opposes topic 5
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record: Strongly Favors topic 5
Preserve access to Medicaid & SCHIP during economic downturn: Strongly Favors topic 5
NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium: Favors topic 5
NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit: Favors topic 5
NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit: Opposes topic 5
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5
NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000: Opposes topic 5
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5
YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare: Favors topic 5
Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale)
1997: Hillary warned against privatizing Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Soc.Sec. one of greatest inventions in American democracy: Strongly Opposes topic 6
Social Security protects families, not just retirees: Strongly Opposes topic 6
All should join the debate now to preserve future solvency: Opposes topic 6
Create Retirement Savings Accounts: Favors topic 6
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 6
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6
Strongly Opposes topic 7:
Vouchers for school choice
(-5 points on Economic scale)
OpEd: Common Core recycled from Clintons in 1980s and 1990s: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fully fund special education & 21st century classrooms: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice; but not private nor parochial: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers drain money from public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Fight with Gore for public schools; no voucher gimmicks: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Charter schools provide choice within public system: Opposes topic 7
Vouchers siphon off much-needed resources: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Parents can choose, but support public schools: Opposes topic 7
Supports public school choice and charter schools: Favors topic 7
Solemn vow never to abandon our public schools: Strongly Opposes topic 7
Offer every parent Charter Schools and public school choice: Opposes topic 7
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes: Strongly Opposes topic 7
YES on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on funding student testing instead of private tutors: Opposes topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7
Strongly Opposes topic 8:
No 'rights' to clean air and water
(+5 points on Social scale)
$5B for green-collar jobs in economic stimulus package: Opposes topic 8
Voted against and consistently opposed to Yucca Mountain: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Scored 100% on Humane Society Scorecard on animal protection: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Remove PCBs from Hudson River by dredging 200 miles: Opposes topic 8
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes: Strongly Opposes topic 8
EPA must do better on mercury clean-up: Opposes topic 8
Grants for beach water pollution under Clean Water Act: Opposes topic 8
Strengthen prohibitions against animal fighting: Strongly Opposes topic 8
Opposes topic 9:
Stricter punishment reduces crime
(+2 points on Social scale)
Longtime advocate of death penalty, with restrictions: Strongly Favors topic 9
Address the unacceptable increase in incarceration: Opposes topic 9
Mandatory sentences have been too widely used: Strongly Opposes topic 9
Give kids after-school activities to prevent gangs: Opposes topic 9
Spend more time with kids to prevent violence: Opposes topic 9
Supports citizen patrols & 3-Strikes-Youre-Out: Favors topic 9
Supports Three Strikes and more prison: Strongly Favors topic 9
End hate crimes and other intolerance: Favors topic 9
Require DNA testing for all federal executions: Opposes topic 9
Increase funding for "COPS ON THE BEAT" program: Opposes topic 9
Reduce recidivism by giving offenders a Second Chance: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9
Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Rein in idea that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Against illegal guns, crack down on illegal gun dealers: Opposes topic 10
Get assault weapons & guns off the street: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Background check system could prevent Virginia Tech massacre: Opposes topic 10
Congress failure at Littleton response inspired Senate run: Opposes topic 10
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs: Opposes topic 10
License and register all handgun sales: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Gun control protects our children: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Dont water down sensible gun control legislation: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Lock up guns; store ammo separately: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Get weapons off the streets; zero tolerance for weapons: Opposes topic 10
Prevent unauthorized firearm use with "smart gun" technology: Opposes topic 10
NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Strongly Favors topic 11:
Higher taxes on the wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Rescind tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 a year: Strongly Favors topic 11
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget: Favors topic 11
GOP tax plan would hurt New Yorks students: Favors topic 11
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes: Strongly Favors topic 11
Rated 80% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset: Favors topic 11
YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates: Favors topic 11
YES on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction: Favors topic 11
NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years: Strongly Favors topic 11
YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11
YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Opposes topic 11
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11
Favors topic 12:
Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens
(+2 points on Social scale)
Introduce a path to earn citizenship in the first 100 days: Strongly Favors topic 12
Consider halting certain raids on illegal immigrant families: Favors topic 12
Deporting all illegal immigrants is unrealistic: Strongly Favors topic 12
Illegal immigrants with drivers licenses puts them at risk: Opposes topic 12
Oppose granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants: Opposes topic 12
More border patrolling on both Mexican AND Canadian borders: Opposes topic 12
Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sanctuary cities ok; local police cant enforce immigration: Favors topic 12
Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows: Strongly Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid: Favors topic 12
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens: Favors topic 12
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities": Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12
YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program: Neutral topic 12
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12
Favors topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(+2 points on Economic scale)
Chief advocate for Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Strongly Favors topic 13
TPP agreement creates more growth and better growth: Favors topic 13
Smart, pro-American trade: NAFTA has hurt workers: Strongly Opposes topic 13
No fast-track authority for this president: Opposes topic 13
Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India: Favors topic 13
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program: Opposes topic 13
Globalization should not substitute for humanization: Opposes topic 13
Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights: Strongly Favors topic 13
Build a rule-based global trading system: Favors topic 13
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on removing common goods from national security export rules: Favors topic 13
YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam: Favors topic 13
NO on extending free trade to Andean nations: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between US & Singapore: Favors topic 13
YES on establishing free trade between the US and Chile: Favors topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13
Opposes topic 14:
Maintain US sovereignty from UN
(-3 points on Economic scale)
US support & no-fly zone, but UN troops on ground in Darfur: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Support UN reform because US benefits: Opposes topic 14
Engage in world affairs, including human rights: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Keep Cuban embargo; pay UN bills: Opposes topic 14
2002 Iraq speech criticized both Saddam and U.N.: Opposes topic 14
2002: Attacking Iraq "not a good option" but authorized it: Favors topic 14
Urged President to veto UN condemnation of Israel: Favors topic 14
Voted against Levin Amendment: it gave UN veto over US: Favors topic 14
Dems believe in fighting terror with cooperation: Strongly Opposes topic 14
Restore habeas corpus for detainees in the War on Terror: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Opposes topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Opposes topic 14
NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad: Strongly Opposes topic 14
No opinion on topic 15:
Expand the military
(0 points on Social scale)
There is no safe haven for the terrorists: Favors topic 15
Our troops are stretched; so increase size of military: Favors topic 15
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record: Strongly Opposes topic 15
Extend reserve retirement pay parity back to 9/11: Favors topic 15
Improve mental health care benefits for returning veterans: Favors topic 15
YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding: Opposes topic 15
YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months: Opposes topic 15
Strongly Favors topic 16:
More enforcement of the right to vote
(+5 points on Social scale)
Presidents should reveal donations to their foundations: Strongly Favors topic 16
Voter suppression revives old demons of discrimination: Favors topic 16
Stand for public financing and getting money out of politics: Strongly Favors topic 16
Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists: Strongly Favors topic 16
Verified paper ballot for every electronic voting machines: Favors topic 16
Called for ban on all soft money in 2000 campaign: Favors topic 16
Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting: Favors topic 16
YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations: Favors topic 16
YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads: Favors topic 16
NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Opposes topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16
Favors topic 17:
Stay out of Iran
(+2 points on Social scale)
OpEd: More aggressive than most Dems on foreign policy: Opposes topic 17
Smartest strategic choice is peace: Favors topic 17
Extend peace treaties to Palestinians, Syrians & Lebanese: Favors topic 17
Foreign aid spending is only 1%; lead by remaining engaged: Strongly Favors topic 17
Up to the Iraqis to decide the future they will have: Favors topic 17
Demand Bush to explain to Congress on his plan on Iraq: Favors topic 17
Deauthorize Iraq war, and dont grant new war authority: Strongly Favors topic 17
Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately: Strongly Favors topic 17
Withdraw troops within 60 days after taking office: Strongly Favors topic 17
Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not: Favors topic 17
Progressive Internationalism: globalize with US pre-eminence: Favors topic 17
No troop surge: no military escalation in Iraq: Strongly Favors topic 17
Require Congress' approval before military action in Iran: Favors topic 17
YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq: Strongly Opposes topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17
Strongly Favors topic 18:
Prioritize green energy
(-5 points on Economic scale)
$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
$100B per year by 2020 for climate change mitigation: Strongly Favors topic 18
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us: Strongly Favors topic 18
Stands for clean air and funding the EPA: Favors topic 18
Reduce air pollution to improve childrens health: Favors topic 18
Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit: Strongly Favors topic 18
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases: Favors topic 18
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy: Strongly Favors topic 18
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances: Strongly Favors topic 18
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence: Favors topic 18
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness: Favors topic 18
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025: Strongly Favors topic 18
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards: Strongly Favors topic 18
Gas tax holiday for the summer: Opposes topic 18
NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill: Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18
Opposes topic 19:
Never legalize marijuana
(+2 points on Social scale)
Medical marijuana now; wait-and-see on recreational pot: Opposes topic 19
Medical marijuana maybe ok; states decide recreational use: Opposes topic 19
Divert non-violent drug offenders away from prison: Strongly Opposes topic 19
Address drug problem with treatment and special drug courts: Strongly Opposes topic 19
End harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine: Opposes topic 19
Require chemical resellers to certify against meth use: Favors topic 19
Strongly Favors topic 20:
Stimulus better than market-led recovery
(-5 points on Economic scale)
Wealthy should go back to paying pre-Bush tax rates: Favors topic 20
Want to restore the tax rates we had in the 90s: Favors topic 20
Help people facing foreclosure; dont just bail-out banks: Strongly Favors topic 20
Minimum wage increases havent kept up with Congress wages: Strongly Favors topic 20
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005: Strongly Favors topic 20
End Bush tax cuts;take things away from rich for common good: Favors topic 20
Social issues matter; wrong time for tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 20
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium: Strongly Favors topic 20
America can afford to raise the minimum wage: Strongly Favors topic 20
Just Say No to GOP tax plan: Strongly Favors topic 20
YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million: Strongly Favors topic 20
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Night, night Nilla.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Has Warren said she was even thinking of running yet?
Besides...I will vote for Warren if she wins the Primary....as I would for any Democrat that wins....How about YOU?
Logical
(22,457 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and I will likely give you the same opportunity in the future...
Logical
(22,457 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and support OUR winner of OUR Primary Election! Its not about them....its about US!
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)then you are a Left Leaning Independent....
Its a quite simple concept...
Independent = Not Dependable....thus Left Leaning Independent!
Its not about the candidates....its about standing with US...the Democrats and supporting whom WE chose to lead us.....its about supporting OUR decision.
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)wow
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)You going to vote for him then also?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)We still have the Patriot Act and indefinite detention. We still have a president that kowtows to Wall Street. We still have the TPP and focking fracking. Nothing was done to help the millions that lost their homes or their jobs or their retirements.
Things are peachy if you are one of the 1%.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)What kind of "safe" are you going for?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Security of our great nation, are you aware of this?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)have a great effect on our security. The wealthy are the ones that worry about security because they have a lot to lose. The homeless care more about their next meal. The Conservatives are willing to sacrifice the wellbeing of the lower classes for more and more security. What price should we pay for security? The wealthy are willing to have the lower classes pay a huge price.
One of the responsibilities is to not let the wealthy plunder and rape the lower classes. This President is a puppet of Wall Street. He wants to appoint Antonio Weiss, another fox to guard the hen house.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)How many dead Americans do you think will enjoy a striving economy? Warren is an economist, this should be her field of expertise, she does not do well in security, she fails this section, you cant be a one hat guard.
Now back to the question of how will she defend the security of our nation? Should she decide to run these are the questions she will have to answer, if the answer comes back is her responsibility is to not let the wealthy plunder and rape the lower classes I don't think enough voters will think she is capable. This is probably why she has not jumped in to run, she is smart enough to know where her expertise lies.
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I will be the first to admit Warren would be a formidable candidate but she doesn't want it.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)brooklynite
(94,719 posts)Warren really isn't.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)with their corporatist protection racket, third-way policies and shunning of the populist will. If she runs, it is looking more likely that she might NOT win because she will be shunned by:
1. the same Repulicans who voted for Obama, but shut-out Republican lite Dems in the mid-term election; and
2. the growing tsunami of populist Dems, who have been urged all their lives by the party to vote for DINOs/blue dogs because "they are the lesser evil" and are now sick of it and, no matter what, will no longer vote against their own best economic interests.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Hillary beats every republican in all the polls.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)so those aren't the conservatives I was referring to.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)If Hillary wins the nomination but a certain amount of Democrats don't vote for her then that is pums in my book similarly if Warren or Sanderswin and a certain amount of Democrats don't vote for them in a general that is puma.
Just talking aloud here and don't mean to put words in your mouth.
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)The PUMAs made a lot of noise about doing that, but ended up rejoining the fold when Clinton endorsed Obama.
You'll do the same when Warren endorses Clinton, right?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)her ties with Wall Street will save the middle class? Goldman-Sachs is paying her good money to help them screw the middle class. And don't forget that she might turn and support the Republicans like she did in 2002. How can we ever trust her after that betrayal??
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I know you do not like her but I do.
I think she is the only one that can win at this point.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)She betrayed us when she turned her back on us and not only supported the Republicans but she helped them promote the lies. How can you forgive that? What have you won if you don't have self respect? I will never forget 2002 when I begged the Democrats to at least put up a good fight. But they acquiesced and millions suffered. How can you forgive that when we have decent, honest candidates with integrity?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)robinlynne
(15,481 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)she doesn't even talk the talk.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Team for Hillary's administration.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Wonderful post.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)I do care about saving this country !!!!!!!!!!
Elizabeth and Bernie are just the ticket to do that.
The 'Democratic' party no longer exists.
They are now the Republican party.
The Republican party is now an insane, right wing, freak show.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)the Democratic party.
They would be representing the needs of the people not the corporations !!!!!!
The Democratic party has cowed down to the Republicans over and over.
You can not be bipartisan with insane people.
President Obama continued to give these insane people a voice and platform.
He kept trying to be bipartisan when he knew they were out to destroy him and this country.
Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)...is to say, don't you thing that effectively representing the needs of the people not the corporations, as opposed to what we have been doing, would re-vitalize the Democratic Party?
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)The Democratic party has severely damaged its image.
They have shown their true colors.
They are spineless whips who do not know how to negotiate or fight for the rights of we the people.
They are better, much better on social issues.
They handle the economy better than the Republicans but they are still owned by Wall Street.
Hillary will be the death of the Democratic party if she is elected.
She represents EVERYTHING that is wrong with the party.
I think the majority of working class and poor people would support a party that focuses on them and their needs.
The Democratic party had better figure out how to counteract Fox 'News' and get the truth out to the masses !!!!!!!!!!!
I live in the swing state of Ohio.
I will not vote for Hillary under any circumstances.
I do not want more of the same.
I will vote, but not for Hillary.
I would NEVER vote for a Republican !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will have to do some serious research, but I did like the Green party in 2012.
I am so weary of the uniformed, misinformed and no show voters !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ellennelle
(614 posts)that's the ticket!
Omaha Steve
(99,704 posts)EEO
(1,620 posts)Faryn Balyncd
(5,125 posts)brooklynite
(94,719 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)"I'm not running for president". Over & over & over. She isn't & neither is Hillary.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)brooklynite
(94,719 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)Every president since '76 has been a Reaganite. Hillary is out of that same mold. We need to break the pattern.
--imm
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)The trolls hate this FACT. They will call you a misogynist for not supporting Hillary and claiming she is considered family by the Bushes because they have stated over and over that Bill is regarded as their 5th son. They will say she's her own person and everyone socializes with each other on capital hill and it means nothing. Well not everyone is in that deep with the Bush Syndicate and the last thing we need is cronies from our side making deals with the Bushes. And GW just called Hillary his sister in law. That's not just extending common courtesy or hobnobbing. The Bush Family Crime Syndicate is evil and anyone colluding with them should be ostracized. Why on earth would we neutralize the biggest advantage we have: running on anti-nepotism if Jeb gets nomination which he will. If Elizabeth is nominated we can claim a difference but not if we nominate another Clinton. I am disgusted by .01% loving, war hawk, mass incarceration Hillary Clinton and she is a proven liar. She will lose anyway. Waiting for the usual troll to spew garbage in response in 3...2...1...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)You don't have tomlike her and debate is healthy for the party.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I respect honest debate and differing opinions. There is a certain overly prolific poster who trolls for Hillary comments and is if course on this thread too. They disrupt and namecall like a child so I've decided to ignore that certain person who trust me isn't worth it. I used to be a Hillary supporter but it was decades ago.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Here is to the debate.
sus453
(164 posts)people who are afraid that if Hillary does not run, the Democratic Party will lose, and this country will go so far to the right it's scary to think about. My personal opinion is that President Obama has tried to promote some positive things, but the Republicans made it too difficult.
But . . . the problem with Mrs. Clinton, aside from the fact that she's been the consummate neo-liberal in foreign relations and a strong supporter of Wall Street, is that there's this air about her that she's entitled to be nominated because it's her turn. Just check the history books to see how similarly entitled politicians fared in races. In Maryland, Anthony Brown (Martin O'Malley's lieutenant governor) was so entitled, he didn't feel like he had to debate, and he lost to a republican in an overwhelmingly blue state.
My feeling is that what we need is a Democrat who is not afraid to run on progressive issues, look people straight in the eye, and tell truth to power.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I would crawl through broken glass for a Sanders/Warren ticket.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system. This may refer to extending principles of democracy in the economy (such as through cooperatives or workplace democracy), or may simply refer to trends of socialism that emphasize democratic principles as inalienable from their political project.
If people knew this, they would vote for him in a nanosecond!
Why is it, that in the US, the "greatest" democracy on earth, the de facto model for business is that of a dictatorship?
Wouldn't it be better for all concerned if businesses were run as democracies, where those who worked at a business had a say in what goes on in the business, instead of one person, or a small cadre of folks doing what they want?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)THE DEMOOCRATS!
Are you trolling?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Bernie you would know he is an independent, since there are only three ways for Senators to vote, it is yea, nay and no vote. In fact any Senator can vote without voting along party lines. Tell Bernie to register as a Democrat if you want him to be a Democrat Socialist.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)btw, it is "Democratic"
paleotn
(17,946 posts)little freudian slip there?
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)...and doesn't want a "socialist economic system".
Quite honestly, most voters WITH a Poli Sci degree don't want a socialist economic system.
Maybe that explains why there are no democratic nations with socialist economic systems.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)There are many European countries with a socalist democratic system. At least a bit socialist. They care about their people to make the minimum wage something that folks can live on, and have universal healthcare.
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 13, 2014, 03:43 PM - Edit history (1)
and there's the redefinition.
The European nations you're thinking of are Capitalist systems with social safety nets.
Returning to the average US voter, you MIGHT get them to accept that principle, over time, but not from someone with "Socialist" in their title.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)It seems to me that people listen to too much doublespeak. If they were educated enough to actually know the meaning to what a liberal/socialist society is, they might just accept it. Unfortunately, the powers that be want to keep the population from knowing this. It is up to WE THE PEOPLE to educate ourselves and one another. With the tool of knowledge we will learn not obey Big Brother, and listen to his propaganda. If we do not, we are doomed to serve Big Brother willingly.
(Maybe we can come out with the book "To Serve Big Brother." We could make it a cookbook! (sarcasm intended))
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)We have an electorate that is not particularly interested in an in-depth analysis of political philosophy, and WILL be voting. Unless you can explain HOW you're going to educate these people, I have to assume, based on 35 years of political experience, that they will reflexively discount an avowed Socialist, regardless of how many issues they might be in agreement on.
I've asked repeatedly for a Sanders supporter to explain HOW he will cobble together 270 electoral votes, when the voters in the battleground states tend to congregate in the ideological middle, not on the left. Still waiting.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)that a socialist economic system is more democratic than the system that we have today.
I think if the label was changed to a cooperative economic system, that more would want it. I know that when people like Richard Wolff explain it, people are all for it.
People have to be educated, and not just buy into the doublespeak that is being fed to us from ALL streams of media each and every day. That includes here at DU!
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)So's Medicare.
And we all know that the average voters just hate those programs.
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)T'was ever thus. FDR was accused of being a socialist, even a communist. And then there's Reagan, 1961, regarding proposed Medicare program:
Reagan warns that if his listeners do not stop the proposed medical program, "behind it will come other government programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country until one day as Norman Thomas said we will wake to find that we have socialism." Under this scenario, Reagan says, "We are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children, what it once was like in America when men were free."
dlc
I think it's funny that you think anyone besides old white people are terrified of the "Socialism!" label.
ETA: Do you think Hillary Clinton or President Obama or the Third Way / DLC thinks FDR or even LBJ was a "mainstream liberal?" Because that's hilarious.
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)Re: Hillary, Obama et al. "Liberal"? You bet. Just not "left-wing". Not a lot of call for that.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)like it is more important what people call themselves, or are called, as opposed to what policies they are actually introducing or in favor of.
Hillary, Obama, et al. "Liberal?" No way. Neoliberal, at best. They are as far from their liberal forerunners as Mittens is from Eisenhower. Unfortunately.
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)...and in my experience, VOTERS pay attention to the labels candidates give themselves.
Plenty of instances abound where voters state their support for an issue, and give their vote to someone who opposes it.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 13, 2014, 07:55 PM - Edit history (1)
or what policies they will pursue, as long as they have a "D" after their names so you can say "We Won!"
'Cause that's Third Way in a nutshell: don't pay any attention to the policies or money behind the curtain, we won!
Yea.
OK I've got it now.
ETA: Worked really well in the last election.
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)...and a "Democrat" who agrees with me 50% but can, I'll go with the "Democrat" over a Republican who agrees with me 0%.
ETA. In the last election, both liberals and moderates lost in both blue and red States.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)and most of the so-called moderates lost theirs.
I guess the root of our disagreement lies in definitions. I do not accept the premise that Obama and Clinton--either Clinton--are "good solid liberals."
A stimulus package that includes 40% tax cuts is not a good solid liberal policy. Pushing for austerity (everyone needs to sacrifice; we need to eat our peas, etc) in the middle of a recession is not good solid liberal policy. Using homeowners to "foam the runway" for the big banks is not good solid liberal policy. Adopting Romneycare is not good solid liberal policy. NAFTA was not good solid liberal policy, and neither is TPP. Cutting, even threatening to cut, instead of expanding Social Security is not good solid liberal policy. Privatizing education with charter schools is not good solid liberal policy. De-regulating is not good solid liberal policy, and neither is appointing foxes to guard henhouses. Even a lack of good government oversight is not good solid liberal policy...an executive order (a policy) banning torture after laws were broken? Seriously?
I could go on, but I am sure you will not get the point. The voters certainly did, in 2010 and 2014: if there is no one who is going to do what they want, if the choices are between lame and worse, they won't come out and vote. Political junkies will, but the average voter will not. If we keep trying to capture the ever-smaller mushy middle, if we keep pretending that Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama are "good solid liberals" instead of putting forward clearly different, actual liberal policies, we lose. It was very clear, in this last election, and another Third Wayer will not make it better. You say progressives can't get elected, I say it has rarely been tried...but one thing is sure: we are playing a losing game, and we need to change it.
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)Name a progressive who won in what was considered a competitive race.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)complete with weasel words "in what was considered a competitive race." I did say it hadn't been tried, didn't I? The party keeps running (backing) the moderate candidates, who did so well...
You don't want to address the definition issue, do you?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)but now I'm wondering how a mile of shit covered broken glass would come about Like there's a truck delivering windows and it hits a porta-potty sucker truck??
Autumn
(45,120 posts)appalachiablue
(41,170 posts)Veilex
(1,555 posts)Its the best possible thing HRC could do for the American people!
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)now they are they are not even in the same Universe together. Wall Street didn't give her all of that money to be nice. Same with Obama as it was with Bill, and it will be if Hillary wins. Wall Street will still be virtually above the law and they will get EVERYTHING from us!
I wish we did not have this divide between loyal Democrats who want to play it safe to not risk losing to the Republicans, and the rest of us who are now considered "far left" just because we have stayed true to the principles espoused by the Party, rather than the Party itself. It is done to marginalized and diminish us.
It is a Faustian choice to vote for the lessor of two evils to prevent a Republican victory, which none of us want, or remain true to our principles and vote for those who have the American people first in their hearts. The lesser of two evils is still a corporate controlled hack whose self interests they put above the people they represent and I cannot do it anymore.
I wish the traditionalist would at least vote their ideals in the Primary and see what happens. Left to a choice between any Democrat and a Republican, most of us will step in line. If Bernie runs as a third Party candidate there will be trouble because many will do what I will and vote for him vs. any Corpratist.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Being on an oversight committee and looking the other way is acceptable?
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Are you saying you think that a candidates money and where it comes from doesn't matter? Do you agree with John Roberts that there is no quid pro quo?
Phlem
(6,323 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)elzenmahn
(904 posts)...but I could go for that, considering that as of this date, SHE HASN'T EVEN DECLARED YET.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... but I won't need to use it now
99Forever
(14,524 posts)brooklynite
(94,719 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)But I was excited about Kucinich
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)Response to Faryn Balyncd (Original post)
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)krawhitham
(4,647 posts)Hillary Clinton
marlakay
(11,484 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)She has a consistent record of being against everything that has ever served this Party well, and for everything that has drained its energy and made it a servile farce.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)K&R!!!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Love it!!!
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)rury
(1,021 posts)a favor by NOT running!
wyldwolf
(43,869 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,138 posts)And then Romney will stroll in over our dead bodies and win.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)Hilly-Billy could also help by STFU.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)We all need to play our part too.