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A New War on Poverty
LBJ declared war on poverty and the results have been tremendous. People who were starving got food. Homeless got shelter. The country as a whole advanced by leaps and bounds.
Instead of a focus on the middle class, we need to focus on the lower class; the people who really need help, who need food, who need shelter. We care for them and they will have enough strength to vote. And they will vote for the Democrats who help them rise up.
An old friend of mine, who was raised in the depression, said that he loved FDR because it was FDR who paved the way for him to be able to eat and have shelter.
We are near the same situation today with masses of people needing basic help. If we turn our attention to them, we will bring forth a better country. "It is the economy, stupid", said Bil Clinton. He also said a rising tide lifts all.
We declare War on Poverty, we will grow the economy, bring new voters into the Democratic party, and really help those who need us the most.
The republicans know this, and is why they are so opposed to the country fighting poverty. A poor, homeless person won't vote or play a part in democracy. But those who once were, will vote and they will vote for those who fed them when poor and sheltered them when homeless.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Guess whose better funded?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)we need to rebuild.
Rebuild the middle class, rebuild the working class. The best investment we could make right now is in the American people.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The middle class is doing ok. It is the poor who really need us to concentrate on making sure they are taken care of. When they have a little extra money, they will spend it and the middle class will benefit because of the upward flow of dollars.
It will require a resolve much like making war to overcome the rich hoarders who don't want to share. LBJ knew this and he was about the smartest politician in recent history. And so did FDR.
Now it is up to our party to make sure we have a big win over poverty, homelessness, and starvation. If we don't do it, it won't get done..
daleanime
(17,796 posts)but I'm done thinking small. The line between poor, working, and (most of the)middle class in America is fairly thin. And many of the needs are the same.
Besides, if we focused on the poor only, certain "@$$%##'s" would claim that the poor were getting a free ride. If we address the problems of all three classes at the same time that would be harder to do. Not that that would stop them, but they would have to work hard. And finally seeing improvement in their own lives would make the needed aid for the poor a much easier sale to both the working and middle classes.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)didn't say a rising side lifts all or anything like it. That was JFK.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)They are extremely limited in what they can give back to help you continue serving them.
Meanwhile they are acutely aware of everything you're not doing for them, and easily persuaded that it's not worth being involved.
Republicans have made a science of this mind-fuckery.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I guess you are all for serving the powerful????? Because they will reward you with trickle down?
You are so far off-base I can't believe you even wrote that.....
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)then you need more experience helping actual human beings until you get it.
It's hard helping people who can't help you help them. And especially hard when they respond to your help with scorn.
It's soul-killing.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)That we not help the weak?
Helping people is a pleasure to me and I expect no reward for doing so.
I guess all I have learned about helping people is wrong because you say so?
You wrote it and I replied, and now you are saying that we shouldn't help the weak because you got burned?
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)But when you are serious, you know that help has to be mutual.
Maybe you've done charity, dishing out what you could give away without batting an eye, but it's another thing when you're tired and exhausted and still try to help others.
That's when you confront the nature of humanity, and the true cost of trying to be a good person.
I have had it up to my ears with people who consider themselves liberal activists for attending cocktail party fundraisers or coffee house poetry jams raising money for some obscure cause while there are homeless people right outside their luxury condos.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I post an OP about the party helping poor people and you go all personal with your petty dislikes.
You are so far off-topic on your own personal pity trip that I really have to wonder how sincere you are about anything.
You should log off before you dig any deeper.
Response to RobertEarl (Reply #13)
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True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Good luck though.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I can just imagine what 'help' you may have given.
""Here, but you have to do x for me""
Your arrogance is astounding. I ask for the party, the Democrats, to go back to their roots and focus on helping the weak and all you have is complaints about how you are not happy with helping people.
I think I've got your number = 0
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)There is no way to address such an air-tight Ouroboros of ignorance and arrogance.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Basically you have said that it is of no use to help poor people because they can't do anything for you. Those are your words. Right here on this page.
And when confronted with your words you take a flying leap off into space!
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)And your inability to read straightforward words that don't fit your worldview is an example of my point.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)""Serving the weak is a paradox.""
Title of your first reply. And then you went on complaining how that if they can't give back there is no use of trying to help.
As I recall, the D party gets 90% of the Black vote. Why is that? Because the D party helped them gain some rights.
I get you are floundering while drowning in your own words, which is why my advice stands: Log out.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)You are making up the "no use of trying to help" shit.
You pounce on someone offering heartfelt thoughts about long experience trying to do good.
I don't know how some people look in the mirror.
Give me some reason not to just put you on Ignore so I don't have to listen to your lies and hate.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Your words, Right here. I get you are embarrassed, but really wtf is up with you?
I think you are not all together all together. I see your thread where you are pulling things out of thin air about Grayson. And here all you have done is complain about helping people.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You have ducked your own words. You haven't even tried to explain what you meant by "helping the weak is a paradox".
And you have gone of the topic of the party doing what it does best by relating that you fail to help anyone if they can't return the favor or can't help themselves.
Explain your words quoted here: "But when you are serious, you know that help has to be mutual. "
Those are your ideas, as seen in the posts above.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I sure as hell can't read your mind. But I can read your words here and all I see is bs.
Like this: "It's hard helping people who can't help you help them. And especially hard when they respond to your help with scorn.
It's soul-killing."
I see you saying that your soul has been killed because you tried to help someone and they scorned you. So you are blaming them. Because you didn't get a pony?
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)And then you have to listen to some Weekend Warrior idiot pontificating about how you're not doing enough.
It's sickening.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And you are naked.
And it is real ugly. You can't even debate, all you do is throw crap out there.
I got your number = 0.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Otherwise it's just emotionally exhausting.