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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 08:03 PM Dec 2014

We Need a New War

A New War on Poverty

LBJ declared war on poverty and the results have been tremendous. People who were starving got food. Homeless got shelter. The country as a whole advanced by leaps and bounds.

Instead of a focus on the middle class, we need to focus on the lower class; the people who really need help, who need food, who need shelter. We care for them and they will have enough strength to vote. And they will vote for the Democrats who help them rise up.

An old friend of mine, who was raised in the depression, said that he loved FDR because it was FDR who paved the way for him to be able to eat and have shelter.

We are near the same situation today with masses of people needing basic help. If we turn our attention to them, we will bring forth a better country. "It is the economy, stupid", said Bil Clinton. He also said a rising tide lifts all.

We declare War on Poverty, we will grow the economy, bring new voters into the Democratic party, and really help those who need us the most.

The republicans know this, and is why they are so opposed to the country fighting poverty. A poor, homeless person won't vote or play a part in democracy. But those who once were, will vote and they will vote for those who fed them when poor and sheltered them when homeless.

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We Need a New War (Original Post) RobertEarl Dec 2014 OP
We have one already. It's approved of too. It's the war on the 99% by the 1%, Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #1
Don't need another war..... daleanime Dec 2014 #2
It is about focus RobertEarl Dec 2014 #3
Not trying to sound like a jerk..... daleanime Dec 2014 #4
correction: Clinton LiberalElite Dec 2014 #5
Serving the weak is a paradox. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #6
Serving the weak is a paradox? WTF? RobertEarl Dec 2014 #7
If you can misinterpret my comment that massively True Blue Door Dec 2014 #8
WTF are you suggesting? RobertEarl Dec 2014 #9
Helping is a comfortable thing while you stay far short of your limits. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #11
Wow RobertEarl Dec 2014 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author daleanime Dec 2014 #15
Oy. I just have no words for such arrogance. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #16
Heh RobertEarl Dec 2014 #21
Again, no words. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #22
All I have done is responded to yours RobertEarl Dec 2014 #23
I've said nothing of the sort. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #24
Yes you have RobertEarl Dec 2014 #25
Just stop lying already. Anyone can read what I wrote and compare to your claims. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #26
Not me who's Lying RobertEarl Dec 2014 #27
(sigh). Ask me a real question, I'll give you a real answer. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #28
You haven't yet RobertEarl Dec 2014 #29
Do you know what a paradox is? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #30
Explain what you are saying when you use the word RobertEarl Dec 2014 #31
It's a situation that gets harder the more you invest in it. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #32
Your pants are down. RobertEarl Dec 2014 #33
Doesn't it hurt your back? daleanime Dec 2014 #17
Only when it's Habitat for Humanity construction work. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #18
........ daleanime Dec 2014 #19
Heh. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #20
A war to legalize marijuana nationally! B Calm Dec 2014 #10
We need a war against the upper 1%. Against the banks and economic institutions, Initech Dec 2014 #12
Yes. The War on Poverty transmuted into a War On The Poor. True dat. nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #14
We need a war on Greed. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #34
 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
1. We have one already. It's approved of too. It's the war on the 99% by the 1%,
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 08:06 PM
Dec 2014

Guess whose better funded?

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
2. Don't need another war.....
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 08:16 PM
Dec 2014

we need to rebuild.

Rebuild the middle class, rebuild the working class. The best investment we could make right now is in the American people.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
3. It is about focus
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 08:24 PM
Dec 2014

The middle class is doing ok. It is the poor who really need us to concentrate on making sure they are taken care of. When they have a little extra money, they will spend it and the middle class will benefit because of the upward flow of dollars.

It will require a resolve much like making war to overcome the rich hoarders who don't want to share. LBJ knew this and he was about the smartest politician in recent history. And so did FDR.

Now it is up to our party to make sure we have a big win over poverty, homelessness, and starvation. If we don't do it, it won't get done..

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
4. Not trying to sound like a jerk.....
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 08:43 PM
Dec 2014

but I'm done thinking small. The line between poor, working, and (most of the)middle class in America is fairly thin. And many of the needs are the same.

Besides, if we focused on the poor only, certain "@$$%##'s" would claim that the poor were getting a free ride. If we address the problems of all three classes at the same time that would be harder to do. Not that that would stop them, but they would have to work hard. And finally seeing improvement in their own lives would make the needed aid for the poor a much easier sale to both the working and middle classes.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
6. Serving the weak is a paradox.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:13 PM
Dec 2014

They are extremely limited in what they can give back to help you continue serving them.

Meanwhile they are acutely aware of everything you're not doing for them, and easily persuaded that it's not worth being involved.

Republicans have made a science of this mind-fuckery.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
7. Serving the weak is a paradox? WTF?
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:19 PM
Dec 2014

I guess you are all for serving the powerful????? Because they will reward you with trickle down?

You are so far off-base I can't believe you even wrote that.....

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
8. If you can misinterpret my comment that massively
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:25 PM
Dec 2014

then you need more experience helping actual human beings until you get it.

It's hard helping people who can't help you help them. And especially hard when they respond to your help with scorn.

It's soul-killing.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
9. WTF are you suggesting?
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:30 PM
Dec 2014

That we not help the weak?

Helping people is a pleasure to me and I expect no reward for doing so.

I guess all I have learned about helping people is wrong because you say so?

You wrote it and I replied, and now you are saying that we shouldn't help the weak because you got burned?

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
11. Helping is a comfortable thing while you stay far short of your limits.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:45 PM
Dec 2014

But when you are serious, you know that help has to be mutual.

Maybe you've done charity, dishing out what you could give away without batting an eye, but it's another thing when you're tired and exhausted and still try to help others.

That's when you confront the nature of humanity, and the true cost of trying to be a good person.

I have had it up to my ears with people who consider themselves liberal activists for attending cocktail party fundraisers or coffee house poetry jams raising money for some obscure cause while there are homeless people right outside their luxury condos.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
13. Wow
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:51 PM
Dec 2014

I post an OP about the party helping poor people and you go all personal with your petty dislikes.

You are so far off-topic on your own personal pity trip that I really have to wonder how sincere you are about anything.

You should log off before you dig any deeper.

Response to RobertEarl (Reply #13)

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
21. Heh
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:47 PM
Dec 2014

I can just imagine what 'help' you may have given.

""Here, but you have to do x for me""

Your arrogance is astounding. I ask for the party, the Democrats, to go back to their roots and focus on helping the weak and all you have is complaints about how you are not happy with helping people.

I think I've got your number = 0

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
23. All I have done is responded to yours
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 11:59 PM
Dec 2014

Basically you have said that it is of no use to help poor people because they can't do anything for you. Those are your words. Right here on this page.

And when confronted with your words you take a flying leap off into space!

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
24. I've said nothing of the sort.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:12 AM
Dec 2014

And your inability to read straightforward words that don't fit your worldview is an example of my point.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
25. Yes you have
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:18 AM
Dec 2014

""Serving the weak is a paradox.""

Title of your first reply. And then you went on complaining how that if they can't give back there is no use of trying to help.

As I recall, the D party gets 90% of the Black vote. Why is that? Because the D party helped them gain some rights.

I get you are floundering while drowning in your own words, which is why my advice stands: Log out.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
26. Just stop lying already. Anyone can read what I wrote and compare to your claims.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:25 AM
Dec 2014

You are making up the "no use of trying to help" shit.

You pounce on someone offering heartfelt thoughts about long experience trying to do good.

I don't know how some people look in the mirror.

Give me some reason not to just put you on Ignore so I don't have to listen to your lies and hate.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
27. Not me who's Lying
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:31 AM
Dec 2014

Your words, Right here. I get you are embarrassed, but really wtf is up with you?

I think you are not all together all together. I see your thread where you are pulling things out of thin air about Grayson. And here all you have done is complain about helping people.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
29. You haven't yet
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:45 AM
Dec 2014

You have ducked your own words. You haven't even tried to explain what you meant by "helping the weak is a paradox".

And you have gone of the topic of the party doing what it does best by relating that you fail to help anyone if they can't return the favor or can't help themselves.

Explain your words quoted here: "But when you are serious, you know that help has to be mutual. "

Those are your ideas, as seen in the posts above.


 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
31. Explain what you are saying when you use the word
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:55 AM
Dec 2014

I sure as hell can't read your mind. But I can read your words here and all I see is bs.

Like this: "It's hard helping people who can't help you help them. And especially hard when they respond to your help with scorn.

It's soul-killing."

I see you saying that your soul has been killed because you tried to help someone and they scorned you. So you are blaming them. Because you didn't get a pony?

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
32. It's a situation that gets harder the more you invest in it.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:04 AM
Dec 2014

And then you have to listen to some Weekend Warrior idiot pontificating about how you're not doing enough.

It's sickening.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
33. Your pants are down.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:12 AM
Dec 2014

And you are naked.

And it is real ugly. You can't even debate, all you do is throw crap out there.

I got your number = 0.

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