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sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 10:28 PM Dec 2014

What Happened When Two Students, One Black and One White, Participated in a Peaceful Protest



We are two students -- one black, one white -- at Union Theological Seminary, an institution historically and presently committed to fighting against injustice through faith and action. We were outraged by the non-indictment in the case of Eric Garner, which is only the most recent example of our law enforcement's lack of accountability for violent action, particularly when said violence is committed against communities of color.


On Friday night, we participated in a peaceful protest march calling for change. Together we lay in Macy's, in Grand Central, and on the wet, cold ground of Bryant Park. Together we marched through the streets of our city, demanding that justice be served against those sworn to protect and serve when they so egregiously violate this promise. The march ended on the FDR when we stood together, arm-in-arm, as riot police charged.

We linked arms to show that neither of us stood alone. We linked our arms to show our solidarity in the fight against injustice, police brutality and the slaying of black bodies. We loudly proclaimed that black lives matter.

Up to this point in our story we acted identically, we acted in unison and we committed the same acts of civil disobedience. It is at point in the story, however, that our narratives sharply diverged. Ironically so, as this treatment only underscored the unfortunate truth we had taken to the streets to protest: black and white bodies are not treated equally.

As a line of riot cops approached, two officers broke off and headed directly toward us. Both of them went after the black one of us, Shawn, forcefully ripping us apart. A few seconds later an officer grabbed Ben, the white one of us, and threw him to the ground.

Then the officer leaned over and whispered in Ben's ear, "Just get out of here."

Please Read the Rest http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-shawn-torres/post_8722_b_6316726.html
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What Happened When Two Students, One Black and One White, Participated in a Peaceful Protest (Original Post) sheshe2 Dec 2014 OP
KnR ucrdem Dec 2014 #1
I'm posting this in anticipation of anyone who will claim that white privilege doesn't exist. MrScorpio Dec 2014 #2
Really. Cha Dec 2014 #4
I will wait with you, MrScorpio. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #5
I'm waiting for the gefilte fish thread of moral equivalence. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #25
good one! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #29
Lol, msanthrope! I am stealing that, HA HA. bettyellen Dec 2014 #36
I will stand with you as well. nt. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #7
Waiting... mahannah Dec 2014 #11
Ben was being denied the right to enjoyment. joshcryer Dec 2014 #12
Ben was just being an immature college kid. delta17 Dec 2014 #15
Type ":sarcasm:" without quotes. joshcryer Dec 2014 #16
Thanks. nt delta17 Dec 2014 #19
I was going to reply hfojvt Dec 2014 #31
Let me ask you... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #32
I don't think I have seen such obtuse "observations" in my life. bettyellen Dec 2014 #37
Beautiful pic.. Too bad the officer said "Just get outta here to the White Protestor".. wtf.. Cha Dec 2014 #3
Kick. riqster Dec 2014 #6
My odd reaction... salin Dec 2014 #8
My son is a millenial and I assure you liberalhistorian Dec 2014 #22
yep heaven05 Dec 2014 #9
kick samsingh Dec 2014 #10
K&R Number23 Dec 2014 #13
Link to the video or audio of this encounter seveneyes Dec 2014 #14
My first thought as well. I found it a little hughee99 Dec 2014 #38
not "the race card" again noiretextatique Dec 2014 #17
Where are the mythical "good cops" who condemn this and arrest the offending officers? MohRokTah Dec 2014 #18
Possibly the one who let the white guy go thought that was being a "good cop" bhikkhu Dec 2014 #21
That's the problem my son and I are having liberalhistorian Dec 2014 #23
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #20
Thanks Thespian2 Dec 2014 #24
How could anyone misunderstand that??? bonniebgood Dec 2014 #26
Weird how this post has gotten so few replies..... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #27
hey do not give up on us yet--this post is going ok 75 recs.... dembotoz Dec 2014 #28
Oh no, I'm not. Just making a little observation giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #33
Someone did show up... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #34
Oooh just read it.... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #35
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2014 #30

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
2. I'm posting this in anticipation of anyone who will claim that white privilege doesn't exist.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 10:35 PM
Dec 2014

Please reply with your argument here.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
5. I will wait with you, MrScorpio.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 10:45 PM
Dec 2014

I wonder if the are brave enough or should I have said brazen enough.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
12. Ben was being denied the right to enjoyment.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 05:33 PM
Dec 2014

If it wasn't for Ben insisting he never would have known what it was like to get in a cop van, go to jail, and spend several hours chained up, to enjoy all that the jail house had to offer. He didn't even get to feel what it was like to have his union pin taken away from him. It was a pure injustice that Ben was going to be denied these wonderful life experiences.

delta17

(283 posts)
15. Ben was just being an immature college kid.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 06:41 PM
Dec 2014

He will grow out of it soon and become a productive member of society.

His friend, though, is clearly a career criminal.

BTW, how do I use the sarcasm tag?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
16. Type ":sarcasm:" without quotes.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 06:42 PM
Dec 2014

It was clear that Ben was exercising his free speech rights and that Shawn was preparing to mug and loot.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
31. I was going to reply
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:24 PM
Dec 2014

but this anecdote totally convinced me that I have white privilege

So I went out to enjoy it.

Took my bicycle out in the rain down to the local bank and asked to withdraw my white privilege dividend. Wow! I did not know they still made bills with that many zeros. I guess it's treasury series W. Then I went down to the car dealership and got a new car. Was prepared to pay with my white privilege dividend, but was told not to be ridiculous. Got a new 2016, a VW of course, and it gets 150 miles to the gallon, not that I have to pay for gas any more anyway.

So I drove to the airport, took my new learjet to Nova Scotia where I now have a nice cabin. Did you realize there was a total eclipse of the sun today? The things you learn by watching WNN. It's amazing that until I read this article I did not realize there was a WNN. Then I had to fly to Geneva where I was scheduled to speak to a meeting of world leaders. Got several standing ovations, of course. Hey, I'm white.

Now I am waiting for a meeting with some guy named Tony and I called up Brenda to make a dinner date. She's married to my old college roommate.

It's been an amazing morning. When I think of all the years I worked menial jobs, pinching pennies and biking in the rain, it almost makes me cry. But then I snap my white fingers and somebody brings me an ice cream sandwich. So I guess I can live with it.

Of course, this is not really a serious argument, but I am not responding to a serious argument either, am I?

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
32. Let me ask you...
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:34 PM
Dec 2014

Do you have a actual definition for white privilege, or is it that you don't really have one and all you're doing here is going out of your way to deny that it even exists?

If you have a definition for it, perhaps you can enlighten us all on what it is.

I'd like to know if we're even anywhere in the same vicinity during this conversation.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
37. I don't think I have seen such obtuse "observations" in my life.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:13 PM
Dec 2014

that would explain the menial jobs, this narrow minded tendency to make everything a whine about themselves.
I don't drink with, or work with you!

Cha

(297,317 posts)
3. Beautiful pic.. Too bad the officer said "Just get outta here to the White Protestor".. wtf..
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 10:39 PM
Dec 2014

nevermind.. it's been too obvious all along.

mahalo she

salin

(48,955 posts)
8. My odd reaction...
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:39 AM
Dec 2014

I was reading this - visualizing it. And yet, while it was both predictable and foreshadowed in the righting - I still audibly drew in a deep shocked breath as I read the words whispered to the knocked down protester.

My mind isn't surprised, but my soul still keeps gasping at the undercurrents (cops prejudices) that underlie the atrocities.

There is an interesting piece at TPM about millenials' awakening that was posted yesterday. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/tpm-reader-my-cousin-was-shot-dead-by-police-in-albuquerque which I hope reflects a growing segment of our society.

An awakening. For those of us who do not live the reality of worry/threat of being at the brutal end of a police stop. For those of us who know it is a reality - but until recently didn't have to cognitively process it over and over again. This isn't about us. It is far bigger than us. It IS about who we are as a society.

Viva the protesters in Ferguson whose continued actions forced eyes open and conversations to begin! Even when faced with militarized force meant to intimidate - you kept acting! Viva the protesters in Cleveland for forcing those conversations to continue! Viva the protesters in NY and those who have joined protests around the country! Viva those who attend and witness and then share pictures and accounts from those protests!

To all those taking action - You are part of moving us towards who we can be as a society.

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
22. My son is a millenial and I assure you
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:41 AM
Dec 2014

that he and his friends and at least the millenials I know are getting very much awake about this issue and they will NOT continue to stand for it (we're white and he and I are heartened to see that most of his white friends also understand, the ones who don't-he and his friends are working on them).

It will not be people my age, middle-aged and older, who will finally effect the change that is desperately needed. It will be the younger generation, who do not, fortunately, have that automatic respect for LEO no matter what and the authoritarian mindset that was drilled into us from day one. They are not falling for the bullshit.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
9. yep
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:58 AM
Dec 2014

not diminishing an ally's participation in a human endeavor, justice for all, but what happened is typical amerika these days, always really. Some are just more unequal than others........

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
38. My first thought as well. I found it a little
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:18 AM
Dec 2014

Suspicious. It's the kind if thing where, if it didn't fit so perfectly into our preconceptions, there'd be a whole bunch of "cool story, bro" responses.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
18. Where are the mythical "good cops" who condemn this and arrest the offending officers?
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 06:52 PM
Dec 2014

Ah yes, "good cops" are on par with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
21. Possibly the one who let the white guy go thought that was being a "good cop"
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:44 AM
Dec 2014

I was always treated pretty decently by police when I was younger, and a bit prone to doing stupid things. It never really occurred to me until recently that this wasn't the norm.

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
23. That's the problem my son and I are having
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:48 AM
Dec 2014

with my mother in trying to get her to see the racist, violent nature of the police. She's an elderly white woman who's never had a problem with them and has always been treated just fine. Well, of course, because she's a white woman and, especially now that she's elderly. She was going into diabetic shock while she was driving last summer and was driving erratically because of it. A cop pulled her over and she was barely conscious and slumped over the wheel. She could communicate, but barely. She said the cop was super nice and called an ambulance and stayed with her and called my son to come get the car and then go to the ER afterwards.

I told her if she'd been a black or Hispanic man (especially black), chances were VERY high that things would have been a lot different. The cop may very well have assumed he was on drugs or "acting suspiciously" and reacted accordingly. He very well may have assumed such if she were an older black woman (there have been many older black women shot or murdered by police for no reason that made any sense)I said it was lucky she was an old white woman. But she just simply doesn't see it, refuses to see it. Sigh.

bonniebgood

(943 posts)
26. How could anyone misunderstand that???
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:21 AM
Dec 2014

They 'choose to'. Denial is very strong and real. My experiences.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
27. Weird how this post has gotten so few replies.....
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:27 AM
Dec 2014

Where are all of the ppl that so diligently deny that white privilege exists or want to trivialize the plight of minorities in this country?

If this was a bash a Dem thread it would have 300 replies, all patting each other on the back & they wonder why we don't post regularly.

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