If doesn't make quota he has to buy donuts for the whole precinct tomorrow.

Wouldn't surprise me if that 3 miles cost $20,000.

Rational people can't breathe as a result of police brutality across the globe

Is a role model for what is wrong with policing.

Try this alternate link: http://www.wkow.com/story/27535231/man-dies-after-traffic-stop-in-chippewa-falls

wstelter@chippewafalls-wi.gov

(Just in case anyone wants to send to police chief an email message.)

I don't think the police would have let them enter the hospital.

The police would have questioned them in the parking lot while this man died.

Have you been drinking ? WTF

They never had a chance to make it to the hospital, thanks to that useless cop. What a damn shame!

Not stopping would have increased his odds.
I think the cops may have even been able to figure out they were headed to the hospital(as long as the driver wasn't controlling the vehicle erratically) and provided a safer, faster escort. I doubt they'd prevent a passenger having an asthma attack from getting medical attention.

Between stopping the car at a hospital or on the side of the road 3 miles from a hospital, go for the hospital.

After the stop, it was pretty clear the young, frantic woman shouldn't be behind the wheel.

Is that why the officers allowed her to follow the ambulance ???

The common sense response would have been to escort her to the hospital or the police could have taken the man to the hospital.

There seems to be this prevailing mythos that if a woman is upset, she's incapable. The very word "hysteria" came from the Latin word for womb. She was doing just fine getting him to the hospital, no erratic driving, before she was pulled over. *That's* why she got upset.

As for not pulling over, that's absolutely insane advice. Even the advice given to women to delay pulling over until they get to a well-lit area leads to a hell of a lot flak from the cops.

If it were a young, frantic man, I'd have worded it similarly.

I can easily imagine how not pulling over would have saved the boyfriend's life, and we can all see how pulling over in this specific case ended in tragedy.

...is going to react with all kinds of restraint to "suspects fleeing arrest".

Bad idea

If the choice is dealing with cops at the hospital's emergency entrance or on the side of the road 3 miles from a hospital, I'm going for the hospital.

Have you been drinking ? WTF

They will scoop them up, place them in the nearest police car and race to the hospital while other cops block off roads ahead of them and when they get to the hospital, they will jam up the ER entrance with their cars preventing other patients from getting treatment.

These people are the scum of the earth.

No cop deserves my respect.

Not one of the bastards.

that does not give thugs within his profession the right to outright murder unarmed people or twiddle their thumbs while someone is dying right in front of them.

The police unions always have wonderful stories about cops running into burning buildings but they will not address the acts of bad cops, instead they turn any discussion about bad cops into a attack on their "brotherhood" and "profession".



And the fact that your pal along with thousands of other cops and police union heads have not spoken out makes him just as bad.

...any mundane profession in which 100% of the people employed in it are evil is either 4 years old... or brain damaged in some manner that has resulted in them suffering the persistent delusion that they live in a freaking cartoon.

I have a hard time even watching Law and Order SVU.

the percentage for the general population), I'll bet your 'friend' is kept busy arresting all the bad cops who commit domestic abuse.

The so-called good cops NEVER come out against the massive number of bad cops who are murdering people.

A child? Or a cartoon character in which a statement that ridiculous might actually be true?

No grown ass adult could possibly believe there exists any regular profession in which 100% of the people employed in it were evil. That goes beyond merely stupid.

It is pure evil to sit back and allow your colleagues to murder with impunity and say nothing.

There is no such thing as a good cop.

Here in the real world there are in fact cops who have spoken out when things like that happen. But enjoy your cartoon caricature fantasy world.

"The Ethical Society of Police has been the primary bridge between [the] African American community and the police department for many years. The Ethical Society will use its best efforts to continue to work with the community leaders and the Department of Justice to address issues that affect our community such as racial profiling, police brutality and disparities in hiring and disciplining practices of African American Officers."

who murdered.

When a cop comes out against the murdering cops and gets them put behind bars, I'll be proved wrong.

Until then, there's no such thing as a good cop.

It's flat-out wrong. I'll believe my own eyes and the police officers that I know, many of whom are my friends.

Your myopic world view is just sad. I truly pity anyone with so much hatred inside.

And rightfully so, they are more likely to murder me than any criminal.

A good day for a any cop is a day they cause a death.

That's the way I see it, and no cop has ever shown me any different.

They're the best!

This was a life or death extenuating circumstance. An exception could and should have been made by the cop.

What the hell ever happened to common sense? This isn't a case of police malice or even poor training. It's The Stupid, plain and simple, and if we don't acknowledge the fact that morons are being put in positions of power we are doomed.

I bet the cop panicked, and froze. Most likely, very young, very inexperienced, and lacking basic first aid skills.

And as we all know rookies are allowed to outright kill unarmed people or wound innocent bystanders or throw a grenade in a crib or fondle that cute girl that left the bar a little tipsy or demand sex from a pregnant inmate in exchange for an early release from jail.

Hey, its not like we train them for weeks or months before they hit the streets

He didn't need basic first aid skills.

He needed to take the man to the hospital or escort the car the man was in to the hospital.

It was only 3 miles away.

a stupid mistake. I get that you can't really know how you will respond to a crisis until you're in one, but this cop failed that test.

Unfortunately, somebody else paid for that failure with their life. Which, to me, makes the cop guilty of negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter. At the very least, he shouldn't still be able to be a cop.

If this problem was treated first, then eventual cases of racism would be easier to discern.

... and instead getting private transportation to the hospital during a severe attack. When I lived alone once I ended up calling a taxi rather than an ambulance, because it was cheaper and while I knew I wasn't safe behind the wheel, it didn't feel like respiratory failure was imminent. (Hey, they got there in less than 5 minutes.)

One thing I do recommend is for any asthmatic is to get your doctor to write you an Epi-Pen. When albuterol inhalers and nebs don't work, sometimes it's because the medicine isn't able to actually enter the lungs because there's so much trapped air in the lungs they can't exhale. Epi only buys a person time, and is not a first-line treatment in a medical setting with access to better drugs and procedures, but it can keep a person breathing when the albuterol isn't working.

So fucking sad.

We are 25 miles from the nearest emergency room. So an ambulance would have to travel the same to get to us and then back to town.

a emergency epi pen is a good idea but that also needs a Doctor to rx.

I know people now who take the Primatene tablets(still over the counter) They don't have good results from albuterol, constant Doctor visits cost a lot and the albuterol inhalers are expensive.

some other company released a battery operated giant unit that costs 10 times more than the simple pocket rescue inhaler.

It breaks or the batteries fail and people die without emergency care visits, suffer hours gasping for breath and constant Doctor visits.

people still beg for the small rescue inhaler.

Must have been drug corps who used the 'this only over the counter rescue inhaler' DAMAGES THE OZONE LAW..to have the unit removed.

The Medical Industrial Complex has well hidden its malicious greed behind numerous fall folks, the cop in this instance.

I'd like to know if that town has a policy they've given to cops to "call an ambulance" instead of letting the folks dying to continue their drive to the hospital. Pretty sure most towns and cities put ambulance services up for auction, so the ambulance firm that wins the bid gets a local monopoly for the term of the contract.

It would seem difficult to go after the Corporations who eliminated Primatene Mist from the market, ie, damages the ozone layer, and don't forget the War on Drugs as a backup rationale, all with their bought and paid for legislators.

He saw the situation, heard and acted on the key words, checked the man closely & assisted him. The ambulance would have given the man the support needed immediately too.

from the posted video- The man had a long (gasping for a full breath) chronic asthmatic day on a nebulizer with his wife telling him to go to the hospital. He was using his inhaler. The officer made sure he had the inhaler and was trying to calm him. And checked twice again to stat the ambulance. He was dying.

Totally different then when those six? police murdered the man they suffocated by knocking him to the concrete and crush the air out of him.

Sometimes folks die and nothing can be done. Had the driver been allowed to continue to the hospital, and if he would have lived long enough to get to emergency, even there he may still have died, or died on the way.

The women did say early on that the victim did use his nebulizer throughout the day with no relief. This event was not a sudden onset. Your protocol outline was spot on.

It's more important for them to go through his pockets.

Fucking demons.

He shouldn't have had asthma! Right peter king????

War on drugs where cocaine and crack have vastly different penalties and the CIA or like agencies flooding the ghetto with crack. All black people are gang members and all white people are Christians aren't they?

Churches teaching greed is good and a mind bending rewrite of "pro-life", greed is good, charity is only for people who look and act just like you. (Moonies +CIA+ a whole lot of cash)

Making the "National Guard" the cannon fodder.

Militarization of our police kicking into high gear after 911. Mercenaries invited in on US soil in NOLA for the first time since 1776.

Insurance companies making treatment decisions, Doctors turned into Narcs first, care givers second. Withholding medicine as a tool to control. Puling State Health Departments into the DOD's CDC-NIH by controlling funds.

Turning prison into private slave powered corporations. People who steal billions rewarded, people who steal food to survive in our no safety net for adults country, imprisoned.

Systematically destroying all safeguards to environment, safety, food safety, pensions, bank accounts, stocks held by all but the 1%, markets rigged (gold, oil, etc).

Companies that ship jobs overseas are rewarded by our government through deregulation and special tax deals. Now foreign companies are using eminent domain to take land for the oil pipeline that does not benefit Americans in any way. Oil goes somewhere else, profits go somewhere else, no environmental oversight, food rotting on sidelines to market to make way for oil trains.

One party already Fascist in every sense and the other taken over by money. Manufactured boogiemen and handlers to keep our pols in line, Think Tanks that don't and the killing, blackmail of a few key pols. I think Welstone and Dayton may be the part of the tiny few who for one shining moment was truthful about what was happening but they were steamrolled under, one dead, one cowed.

Regulations relaxed to allow Media to be bought up by the 1%, and/or controlled by the government. Government propaganda, outlawed in the 1940's is again legal but it has been used for decades.

Psychological warfare on schools and teachers since the 1980's, defunding them, teaching tests that prepare our kids for nothing(and nothing is what they are destined for today), letting religion replace science, math and logic.

Those who resist are treasonous, morally bad, dirty, crazy, shunned.

In my 9th grade class the DOD sent out a research unit to be used by schools for research. People were divided into countries with different amounts of money, resources, land and power. We were supposed make sure our country was OK, morality had no power. I was in the second most powerful country and since we never discussed the outcome of the "game" it haunted me ever since. I sweetly took charge and in an hour had conquered the world but it was a unequal society because the early ones would gladly give up their rights if told the later ones into the winning group, would not to have it as good. Nobody in my class thought anything about the consequences of what we were actually doing. I did and I was sickened that nobody looked any deeper, even in the let it all hang out late 60's. Now I am watching that unfold and again, everyone is just playing the game and pretending to be happy, morally correct and smug while they lose everything.

We are almost at no education except private, no pensions even private, no safety net, unequal access to the law, to heath care, to monetary success. Maybe we deserve to go extinct but until now I had hope in mankind's better self triumphing at least through experience but instead of blaming the powers that made their lives hell, they take the offered scape goat to brutalize and destroy and accept even more shit from their betters.

Someone won a Peace Prize saying that it is always better for people to work together rather than work against each other but then the Republicans have probably systematically wiped out that research along with a hundred or more years of other research by taking over the libraries, historical societies and archives including whatever University produced that research. (I have a wingnut cousin who worked on the University of Minnesota libraries.)

the ONLY over the counter emergency inhaler "Primatene mist".

deaths from asthma attacks have gone up and even though people begged the company, and presented to congress the need for over the counter, easy to use emergency inhaler. There still is no replacement its been about 3 years.

suggesting that a dangerous drug is a better choice than proper health care and regular asthma prevention is just asinine.

Primatene mist DOES NOT STOP LONG TERM DAMAGE TO THE LUNGS FROM ASTHMA ATTACKS. YES I AM YELLING

"hes been using nebulizer all day" "I asked him to go to hospital all day"

The albuterol drug corp should be sued. The only epi over the counter emergency inhaler was removed from the market about 2 years ago.

albuterol from a Doctors rx only and plenty of expensive trips to hospital is todays alternative.

The sad fact a young man is dead and shouldn't be, once the cop realized it was an emergency trip to the hospital he should have provided an escort not a delay.

Now a lot more people suffer hours out of breath on Doctor only Asthma nebulisers that do not work very well.

Must be tons of PROFITS from todays rx only treatment and nebulizers that do not work as good as a single puff of the over the counter removed Primatene mist.

Escort the person, fine. But don't just say, "Sure, you claim you're going to the hospital, just go."

Everybody caught speeding in any direction would be immediately on the way to the hospital. "Oh, it's in the other direction officer? Thanks for clearing that up for me, I'll turn around and be on my way."

Of course, the cop would have to escort the person to the hospital, make sure he goes inside, and has some sort of symptom or problem that merits going to the hospital. Otherwise most speeding stops would just tie up the cops with escort services. Then all the people who complain about slow response times when they call the police with actual emergencies would complain. (It's one thing to be at a traffic stop; another to be out of your patrol car and in the hospital.)

any ticket.

Any uptick would be very temporary as people trying to game the system end up behind bars for their trouble after the emergency leads them to work, a friends house, or the club and if there are that many legitimate emergencies then escort service is far more important work than speed trapping.

Precious few will be going to the ER to dodge a ticket, there is no ticket that costs what most non admit ER copay and coinsurance stacks up to.

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Life saving treatment will start much faster then a walk-in to Americas emergency rooms.

There is no way to parse that fact. Calling for an ambulance was stupid and unnecessary.

because of the ban on CFC's. There are other options, but they are all patented and don't have OTC approval, and likely wouldn't get it today since the approval process has changed for OTC meds.

them to rethink their authority is not boosting their ego's.

sure that every cop in America is on an ego trip.

it must be true.

911 for help? Most of the time lately it is not help one gets.

All they care about is exercising their authority and controlling a situation.

If someone has to lose their life in the process, so be it.

They know better than you.

I wonder if he will be able to sleep or shave or get up in the morning?

because he "followed protocol" or a million other excuses that he and the cop-lover apologists/victim-blamers will make.

So fucking stupid. 3 miles, but cops are gods and you either live or die by their whim.

nothing more.

What a completely heartless bastard. The ice on the road is warmer than that fucking pig's heart.