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Here is the article talked about on Bill Moyer's interview with John R MacArthur, one that he had trouble publishing in the US because US MSM wasn't interested.
12/12/2014
This post was first written in 2011 and published at Le Monde diplomatique. The author, John R. MacArthur, is Bills guest this week on our show: Democrats Bow Down to Wall Street.
...With many fearing what Perot called the giant sucking sound of jobs heading to cheap labour in Mexico if NAFTA passed Congress, Bossidy needed to promote the notion that the agreement would bring more work to the Midwestern rust belt, already in steep decline. So, on instructions from Gores media adviser Carter Eskew, Bossidy held up a plug and pronounced: I would like to say, about the jobs, this is a spark plug, an Autolite spark plug. Its made in Fostoria, Ohio. We make 18 million of them. Were going to make 25 million of them; the question is, where are we going to make them? Right now you cant sell these in Mexico because theres a 15 percent tariff if this NAFTA is passed, well make these in Fostoria, Ohio well have more jobs This is a small part of a car. We export 4,000 cars to Mexico today, well export 60,000 cars in the first year [of NAFTA], thats 15,000 jobs.
As of November 1, 2010 General Motors was a ward of the federal government, the country was in prolonged economic slump, and there were 86 assembly jobs in the Fostoria factory. The remaining Autolite employees were there to make just the ceramic insulators around the plug. The rest of the jobs had moved to a maquilladora in Mexicali, where nearly 600 Mexicans were manufacturing mostly Motorcraft spark plugs, the house brand of Ford Motor Company, healthiest of the Big Three US auto companies.
The crucial difference between Mexicali (just south of the border from Calexico, California, on the Baja peninsula) and Fostoria was the wage scale: in Fostoria, unionised production workers made an average $22 an hour, including benefits, for a 40-hour week; in Mexicali, workers on the first two shifts made 15.5 pesos (about $1.83-an-hour) for a 48-hour week.
...Over the past 12 years I have heard many stories about the beneficial effects of free trade from its proponents. But the stories recounted by its victims always seemed more persuasive. Among the best storytellers were two Autolite workers who lost their jobs. When I met Jerry Faeth in 2009 he was 52 and considered himself lucky. With 32 years at the plant, he would retire with a full pension, which he had planned to do just before being laid off. Both his daughters were well on their way to graduating from college, and his house in New Riegel, southeast of Fostoria, was fully paid for. He had liked Autolite because after 28 years, I got into the prototype section of the plant. I loved working [there] because its something different every day and youre not just using your hands; youre using your mind and youre working with college-graduated individuals who treat me as an equal. Faeth had invested in the American dream and been rewarded: I was fortunate because of Autolite. We had good wages and my wife was able to quit work and stay home for eight years with our two children; and I think thats key to some of the issues were having in society today because the babysitter doesnt raise your kids like Mom or Dad. But now he was embittered.
After the meeting at which the layoffs were announced by a Honeywell executive, Faeth said it felt like he hit me in the stomach I wanted five more years [in the plant] and Im not going to get it I said, You know, you talked about us [needing to be] competitive. I contribute to the 401K in Honeywell and I get this book every year and it says the top five guys in Honeywell last year made $70 million.....
http://billmoyers.com/2014/12/12/small-town-middle-everywhere/
Very long article. We're living this history. The interview with Bill Moyers is on front page of DU and on various threads here, for good reason. Here it is again. Share it with others. It's informative & simply explains what has happened to America & the Democratic Party since NAFTA~
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)becoming Republicans in secret.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Exhibit A as to why Al Gore lost to an unqualified dry drunk failure legacy candidate. I believe it was once said that if voters had the choice between "Republican" and "Republican Lite" . . . guess which one they're going to pick.
Anyone, especially Democrats who subscribe to conservative/libertarian anti-labor economic shenanigans needs to GET OUT. You're a poison to progress and you're the reason Congress keeps tilting to a bunch of anti-science, anti-labor troglodytes. You're the reason American voters feel (correctly) that, economically, NO ONE is working for their best interests.
And Glenn Hubbard and Martin Feldstein can off themselves for teaching generations of business/finance students the politics of unfairness and greed.
Don't give me this fucking cockamamie CRAP that it's American workers and "yewn-yuns" who are the greedy ones, because in inflation-adjusted dollars, flatlining wages have been decoupled with overall productivity and our soaring cost of living since 1979. You want workers to spend more, then you better start PAYING THEM MORE.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)HoosierCowboy
(561 posts).....there's a giant sucking sound in the room, no, it's outside, no wait, it's everywhere...
Auggie
(31,173 posts)Must sink this!
The best OP on DU today! And thank you, RiverLover, for it. Nothing like a healthy dose of reality early in the morning with a cup o' joe.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... just plain don't give a damn how many people's lives they destroy, as long as they can keep their owners happy.
Btw, TPP makes NAFTA look wonderful by comparison. President Obama is pushing it and Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton is a key player in it.
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)Fostoria is making a small come back, but it'll never be the same. Some of the old factories and ware houses have been purchased in the last few months, giving hope to the town.
blueknight
(2,831 posts)as you all know, i live in the northern ky/cincinnati ohio area and it happened here as well. 5000 jobs from the GM norwood ohio plant. as well as several smaller companies....
AwakeAtLast
(14,130 posts)All gone. Not one GM job left. Once the GM retirees are gone, it will be in even worse shape. There were three high schools, now there is only one.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)haven't been to that area yet. I'd like to check it out now. I'm curious.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)Inside an unopened box. And most likely will never see the light of day unless they're donated to a thrift store.
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)tell us that NAFTA really worked and that we have nothing to worry about with TPP and TTIP.
pampango
(24,692 posts)To blame this 'steep decline' on NAFTA would grant it a magical power to cause pain before it existed.
Manufacturing jobs and wages and family incomes increased during the Clinton administration (then cratered during the Bush years) though not enough to halt the 'steep decline' in Fostoria.
markme88
(22 posts)Brian Westbury "a Fellow of the George W. Bush Presidential Center is not an impartial source.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5733531
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5729833
treestar
(82,383 posts)are they really proven here?
progressoid
(49,991 posts)NAFTA was nothing but unicorns farting rainbows.
However, According to a report by Economic Policy Institute economist Robert Scott, entitled "Heading South: U.S.-Mexico trade and job displacement after NAFTA," an estimated 682,900 U.S. jobs have been "lost or displaced" because of the agreement and the resulting trade deficit.
The EPI's calculation of 682,900 jobs lost to NAFTA takes into account jobs created as a result, too. Last year, for example, U.S. exports to Mexico supported 791,900 jobs. It's just that those jobs created pale in comparison to the 1.47 million U.S. jobs that would be necessary without the imports resulting from NAFTA, the report found.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)The Washington consensus does a fairly convincing job of shrugging their shoulders and pretending otherwise.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)class & income disparity is growing & SO many people are working 2 jobs just to scrape by. But as long as Honeycutt only has to pay workers $2/hour & their top managers make millions, they LOVE feeding us how this is just reality, baby. Nothing to be done here.
Except maybe expending the pillage to include the Pacific fucking Rim.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)And let's not forget our very own President BHO, who, instead of 'renegotiating NAFTA' as promised, is trying to ram through his very own abomination on the sly...
appalachiablue
(41,145 posts)I got sick when I listened to it last night. Treachery, greed, sell outs. This poor country and people.
Now the Omnibus, TPP fast track and GOP control. In Vietnam they use child and prison labor, 29 cents an hour. We have to be 'competitive' with that?
Major thanks to Bill Moyers the best, who's leaving in Jan. he said, and John MacArthur of Harpers.
FOSTORIA MATTERS! ALL AMERICANS MATTER!
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Damn straight, appalachiablue!!
Thank you, for your post.
appalachiablue
(41,145 posts)the media link but this is much better. I hope it goes viral, all over. So grateful to Moyers and MacArthur.
FOSTORIA MATTERS! ALL AMERICANS MATTER!
I love oceans and water. Grew up on the Ohio river, played along the Rappahannock when young.
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)K&R!
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)And family incomes rose and unemployment fell. Not exactly a disastrous economic legacy.
I prefer Warren and Sanders over Hillary but I don't base that preference on a view that Bill's tenure was an economic disaster.
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)http://www.ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/north-american-free-trade-agreement-nafta
All remaining duties and quantitative restrictions were eliminated, as scheduled, on January 1, 2008
The U.S. goods trade deficit with NAFTA was $86 billion in 2013.
Huffington Post: U.S. Economy Lost Nearly 700,000 Jobs Because Of NAFTA, EPI Says: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/nafta-job-loss-trade-deficit-epi_n_859983.html
Then the BIG DOG changed trading status with China. We know how that worked out. Walmart more than any other US company has exploited that. And there is a D considering a run for POTUS that used to sit on China-Marts board at that time.
pampango
(24,692 posts)The US trade deficit with Mexico in 2013 was $54 billion. That represents less than 1/3 of 1% (0.3%) of our economy. Such tiny percentages do not ordinarily decimate entire sectors of our economy.
Before NAFTA manufacturing employment had been declining since the 1960's. That 30 year decline was not the fault of NAFTA, obviously. Fostoria (and much of the manufacturing heartland) "was in steep decline" at the time NAFTA was enacted. The only increase in manufacturing employment since the 1960's occurred during the Clinton administration and after NAFTA.
The trade deficit with NAFTA is due to oil imports from Canada and Mexico. Other than in oil, we have a trade surplus with them.
What would have been accomplished by keeping China out of the WTO? We trade with plenty of countries that are not in the WTO. Being out of the WTO did not keep Russia from exporting a whole lot more to the US from 2002 to 2012 (when it entered the WTO) than it imported from us. China not being in the WTO might not have slowed them down any more than it did Russia.
Perhaps you were thinking of a Cuba-style trade embargo against China.
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)Common ground between us?
pampango
(24,692 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)All comments are right-on ( except pampango's, surprise surprise ) so there's not much more I can say.
"Free trade" is a turkey. Any pol espousing it or even allowing it, will not get my vote; regardless of their other stances.
I hope to see this as THE wedge issue that shakes up the Democratic party.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)We need to UNITE on this issue within the Democratic Party & the country. We need to produce things here again...where did I hear that before....right, candidate Obama not the real Obama...
We need leaders who will fight "free trade" agreements, before & after elections.