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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 07:54 AM Dec 2014

RIP Fostoria Ohio, and thank you NAFTA

Here is the article talked about on Bill Moyer's interview with John R MacArthur, one that he had trouble publishing in the US because US MSM wasn't interested.

Fostoria, Ohio — A Small Town in the Middle of Everywhere
12/12/2014

This post was first written in 2011 and published at Le Monde diplomatique. The author, John R. MacArthur, is Bill’s guest this week on our show: Democrats Bow Down to Wall Street.



...With many fearing what Perot called the “giant sucking sound” of jobs heading to cheap labour in Mexico if NAFTA passed Congress, Bossidy needed to promote the notion that the agreement would bring more work to the Midwestern rust belt, already in steep decline. So, on instructions from Gore’s media adviser Carter Eskew, Bossidy held up a plug and pronounced: “I would like to say, about the jobs, this is a spark plug, an Autolite spark plug. It’s made in Fostoria, Ohio. We make 18 million of them. We’re going to make 25 million of them; the question is, where are we going to make them? Right now you can’t sell these in Mexico because there’s a 15 percent tariff… if this NAFTA is passed, we’ll make these in Fostoria, Ohio… we’ll have more jobs… This is a small part of a car. We export 4,000 cars to Mexico today, we’ll export 60,000 cars in the first year [of NAFTA], that’s 15,000 jobs.”

As of November 1, 2010 General Motors was a ward of the federal government, the country was in prolonged economic slump, and there were 86 assembly jobs in the Fostoria factory. The remaining Autolite employees were there to make just the ceramic insulators around the plug. The rest of the jobs had moved to a maquilladora in Mexicali, where nearly 600 Mexicans were manufacturing mostly Motorcraft spark plugs, the house brand of Ford Motor Company, healthiest of the Big Three US auto companies.

The crucial difference between Mexicali (just south of the border from Calexico, California, on the Baja peninsula) and Fostoria was the wage scale: in Fostoria, unionised production workers made an average $22 an hour, including benefits, for a 40-hour week; in Mexicali, workers on the first two shifts made 15.5 pesos (about $1.83-an-hour) for a 48-hour week.

...Over the past 12 years I have heard many stories about the beneficial effects of free trade from its proponents. But the stories recounted by its victims always seemed more persuasive. Among the best storytellers were two Autolite workers who lost their jobs. When I met Jerry Faeth in 2009 he was 52 and considered himself lucky. With 32 years at the plant, he would retire with a full pension, which he had planned to do just before being laid off. Both his daughters were well on their way to graduating from college, and his house in New Riegel, southeast of Fostoria, was fully paid for. He had liked Autolite because after 28 years, “I got into the prototype section of the plant. I loved working [there] because it’s something different every day and you’re not just using your hands; you’re using your mind and you’re working with college-graduated individuals who treat me as an equal.” Faeth had invested in the American dream and been rewarded: “I was fortunate because of Autolite. We had good wages… and my wife was able to quit work and stay home for eight years with our two children; and I think that’s key to some of the issues we’re having in society today because the babysitter doesn’t raise your kids like Mom or Dad.” But now he was embittered.

After the meeting at which the layoffs were announced by a Honeywell executive, Faeth said it “felt like he hit me in the stomach… I wanted five more years [in the plant] and I’m not going to get it… I said, ‘You know, you talked about us [needing to be] competitive. I contribute to the 401K in Honeywell and I get this book every year and it says the top five guys in Honeywell last year made $70 million.....

http://billmoyers.com/2014/12/12/small-town-middle-everywhere/


Very long article. We're living this history. The interview with Bill Moyers is on front page of DU and on various threads here, for good reason. Here it is again. Share it with others. It's informative & simply explains what has happened to America & the Democratic Party since NAFTA~

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RIP Fostoria Ohio, and thank you NAFTA (Original Post) RiverLover Dec 2014 OP
K&R x 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 SamKnause Dec 2014 #1
It's simplicity itself: Big-Name Democrats wanted Big-Time Money, and that was possible only by WinkyDink Dec 2014 #2
K & R. HughBeaumont Dec 2014 #3
+ 1000! nt raouldukelives Dec 2014 #4
Could you speak a little louder... HoosierCowboy Dec 2014 #5
The NAFTA ship has, unfortunately, sailed. The TPP hasn't yet. Auggie Dec 2014 #6
K&R ReRe Dec 2014 #7
Those at the top of our government... 99Forever Dec 2014 #8
I live in the next town. safeinOhio Dec 2014 #9
this isn't just fostoria blueknight Dec 2014 #10
Anderson, IN once employed 60,000 AwakeAtLast Dec 2014 #12
Thanks for the feedback. Ohio is my newly adopted home state & I RiverLover Dec 2014 #11
I think the President's Union walking shoes are in his closet... adirondacker Dec 2014 #13
But people right here on DU Kermitt Gribble Dec 2014 #14
Per the OP, the "Midwestern rust belt" was "already in steep decline" when NAFTA was enacted. pampango Dec 2014 #15
I do not find you creditable because you post things from Tea Party speakers markme88 Dec 2014 #31
Cause and effect treestar Dec 2014 #16
According to the Heritage Foundation, progressoid Dec 2014 #18
That puts it in proper perspective. Thanks for posting. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #24
The destruction of our industrial labor market is no mystery. pa28 Dec 2014 #17
They look down on us and say smugly "Its a global economy, deal with it." while we lose the middle RiverLover Dec 2014 #19
Thanks, Bill Clinton. I hear his wife wants a shot at fucking things up further... AzDar Dec 2014 #20
This. bigwillq Dec 2014 #22
Thanks for posting. I think this should have stayed on the Home Page for 2 weeks. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #21
"FOSTORIA MATTERS! ALL AMERICANS MATTER!" RiverLover Dec 2014 #23
Thank you River Lover. I was so bummed to see the video down this am, found it in appalachiablue Dec 2014 #25
Makes it hard to vote for a Clinton! Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #26
Indeed. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #27
Under Bill manufacturing employment and wages rose for the first time in 30 years. pampango Dec 2014 #29
Many of the harmful effects of NAFTA kicked in late in the BIG DOGS administration or later Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #30
You can blame delayed effects of NAFTA. I'll blame Bush for screwing up the economy. pampango Dec 2014 #32
The two together were the perfect storm Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #33
Not really, but I love your OP's and agree with most of them. Keep 'em coming. pampango Dec 2014 #36
Major K&R for visibility Populist_Prole Dec 2014 #28
^^^this^^^ RiverLover Dec 2014 #35
Fuck Bill Clinton. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #34
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #37
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
2. It's simplicity itself: Big-Name Democrats wanted Big-Time Money, and that was possible only by
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 08:40 AM
Dec 2014

becoming Republicans in secret.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
3. K & R.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 08:53 AM
Dec 2014

Exhibit A as to why Al Gore lost to an unqualified dry drunk failure legacy candidate. I believe it was once said that if voters had the choice between "Republican" and "Republican Lite" . . . guess which one they're going to pick.

“The ironic thing,” she said, “was that the very first class that I took when I went back to school was a macroeconomics class. And the whole entire textbook told us how important it was that they move the manufacturing jobs from America to other countries — and that manufacturing in America was a dinosaur and that it should be outsourced to other countries because that was the only way to make money… So it was like getting slapped in the face. I was trying to go back to school… because I’m losing my job and I’m a displaced worker… and the very first class I took, the very first page of the textbook (justifies my layoff).”


Anyone, especially Democrats who subscribe to conservative/libertarian anti-labor economic shenanigans needs to GET OUT. You're a poison to progress and you're the reason Congress keeps tilting to a bunch of anti-science, anti-labor troglodytes. You're the reason American voters feel (correctly) that, economically, NO ONE is working for their best interests.

And Glenn Hubbard and Martin Feldstein can off themselves for teaching generations of business/finance students the politics of unfairness and greed.

Don't give me this fucking cockamamie CRAP that it's American workers and "yewn-yuns" who are the greedy ones, because in inflation-adjusted dollars, flatlining wages have been decoupled with overall productivity and our soaring cost of living since 1979. You want workers to spend more, then you better start PAYING THEM MORE.

HoosierCowboy

(561 posts)
5. Could you speak a little louder...
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 09:30 AM
Dec 2014

.....there's a giant sucking sound in the room, no, it's outside, no wait, it's everywhere...

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
7. K&R
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 09:37 AM
Dec 2014

The best OP on DU today! And thank you, RiverLover, for it. Nothing like a healthy dose of reality early in the morning with a cup o' joe.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
8. Those at the top of our government...
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 09:38 AM
Dec 2014

... just plain don't give a damn how many people's lives they destroy, as long as they can keep their owners happy.

Btw, TPP makes NAFTA look wonderful by comparison. President Obama is pushing it and Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton is a key player in it.



safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)
9. I live in the next town.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:00 AM
Dec 2014

Fostoria is making a small come back, but it'll never be the same. Some of the old factories and ware houses have been purchased in the last few months, giving hope to the town.

blueknight

(2,831 posts)
10. this isn't just fostoria
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:20 AM
Dec 2014

as you all know, i live in the northern ky/cincinnati ohio area and it happened here as well. 5000 jobs from the GM norwood ohio plant. as well as several smaller companies....

AwakeAtLast

(14,130 posts)
12. Anderson, IN once employed 60,000
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:52 AM
Dec 2014

All gone. Not one GM job left. Once the GM retirees are gone, it will be in even worse shape. There were three high schools, now there is only one.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
11. Thanks for the feedback. Ohio is my newly adopted home state & I
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:38 AM
Dec 2014

haven't been to that area yet. I'd like to check it out now. I'm curious.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
13. I think the President's Union walking shoes are in his closet...
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:59 AM
Dec 2014

Inside an unopened box. And most likely will never see the light of day unless they're donated to a thrift store.

Kermitt Gribble

(1,855 posts)
14. But people right here on DU
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:16 PM
Dec 2014

tell us that NAFTA really worked and that we have nothing to worry about with TPP and TTIP.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
15. Per the OP, the "Midwestern rust belt" was "already in steep decline" when NAFTA was enacted.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:22 PM
Dec 2014

To blame this 'steep decline' on NAFTA would grant it a magical power to cause pain before it existed.

With many fearing what Perot called the “giant sucking sound” of jobs heading to cheap labour in Mexico if NAFTA passed Congress, Bossidy needed to promote the notion that the agreement would bring more work to the Midwestern rust belt, already in steep decline.

Manufacturing jobs and wages and family incomes increased during the Clinton administration (then cratered during the Bush years) though not enough to halt the 'steep decline' in Fostoria.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
18. According to the Heritage Foundation,
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:08 PM
Dec 2014

NAFTA was nothing but unicorns farting rainbows.


However, According to a report by Economic Policy Institute economist Robert Scott, entitled "Heading South: U.S.-Mexico trade and job displacement after NAFTA," an estimated 682,900 U.S. jobs have been "lost or displaced" because of the agreement and the resulting trade deficit.

The EPI's calculation of 682,900 jobs lost to NAFTA takes into account jobs created as a result, too. Last year, for example, U.S. exports to Mexico supported 791,900 jobs. It's just that those jobs created pale in comparison to the 1.47 million U.S. jobs that would be necessary without the imports resulting from NAFTA, the report found.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
17. The destruction of our industrial labor market is no mystery.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 04:28 PM
Dec 2014

The Washington consensus does a fairly convincing job of shrugging their shoulders and pretending otherwise.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
19. They look down on us and say smugly "Its a global economy, deal with it." while we lose the middle
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:13 PM
Dec 2014

class & income disparity is growing & SO many people are working 2 jobs just to scrape by. But as long as Honeycutt only has to pay workers $2/hour & their top managers make millions, they LOVE feeding us how this is just reality, baby. Nothing to be done here.

Except maybe expending the pillage to include the Pacific fucking Rim.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
20. Thanks, Bill Clinton. I hear his wife wants a shot at fucking things up further...
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:51 PM
Dec 2014

And let's not forget our very own President BHO, who, instead of 'renegotiating NAFTA' as promised, is trying to ram through his very own abomination on the sly...

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
21. Thanks for posting. I think this should have stayed on the Home Page for 2 weeks.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:13 PM
Dec 2014

I got sick when I listened to it last night. Treachery, greed, sell outs. This poor country and people.
Now the Omnibus, TPP fast track and GOP control. In Vietnam they use child and prison labor, 29 cents an hour. We have to be 'competitive' with that?
Major thanks to Bill Moyers the best, who's leaving in Jan. he said, and John MacArthur of Harpers.
FOSTORIA MATTERS! ALL AMERICANS MATTER!

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
25. Thank you River Lover. I was so bummed to see the video down this am, found it in
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:34 PM
Dec 2014

the media link but this is much better. I hope it goes viral, all over. So grateful to Moyers and MacArthur.
FOSTORIA MATTERS! ALL AMERICANS MATTER!

I love oceans and water. Grew up on the Ohio river, played along the Rappahannock when young.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
29. Under Bill manufacturing employment and wages rose for the first time in 30 years.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:50 AM
Dec 2014

And family incomes rose and unemployment fell. Not exactly a disastrous economic legacy.

I prefer Warren and Sanders over Hillary but I don't base that preference on a view that Bill's tenure was an economic disaster.

Omaha Steve

(99,660 posts)
30. Many of the harmful effects of NAFTA kicked in late in the BIG DOGS administration or later
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:17 AM
Dec 2014

http://www.ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/north-american-free-trade-agreement-nafta

All remaining duties and quantitative restrictions were eliminated, as scheduled, on January 1, 2008

The U.S. goods trade deficit with NAFTA was $86 billion in 2013.

Huffington Post: U.S. Economy Lost Nearly 700,000 Jobs Because Of NAFTA, EPI Says: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/nafta-job-loss-trade-deficit-epi_n_859983.html


Then the BIG DOG changed trading status with China. We know how that worked out. Walmart more than any other US company has exploited that. And there is a D considering a run for POTUS that used to sit on China-Marts board at that time.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
32. You can blame delayed effects of NAFTA. I'll blame Bush for screwing up the economy.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:42 PM
Dec 2014

The US trade deficit with Mexico in 2013 was $54 billion. That represents less than 1/3 of 1% (0.3%) of our economy. Such tiny percentages do not ordinarily decimate entire sectors of our economy.

Before NAFTA manufacturing employment had been declining since the 1960's. That 30 year decline was not the fault of NAFTA, obviously. Fostoria (and much of the manufacturing heartland) "was in steep decline" at the time NAFTA was enacted. The only increase in manufacturing employment since the 1960's occurred during the Clinton administration and after NAFTA.

Huffington Post: U.S. Economy Lost Nearly 700,000 Jobs Because Of NAFTA ...


The trade deficit with NAFTA is due to oil imports from Canada and Mexico. Other than in oil, we have a trade surplus with them.

What would have been accomplished by keeping China out of the WTO? We trade with plenty of countries that are not in the WTO. Being out of the WTO did not keep Russia from exporting a whole lot more to the US from 2002 to 2012 (when it entered the WTO) than it imported from us. China not being in the WTO might not have slowed them down any more than it did Russia.

Perhaps you were thinking of a Cuba-style trade embargo against China.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
28. Major K&R for visibility
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:12 AM
Dec 2014

All comments are right-on ( except pampango's, surprise surprise ) so there's not much more I can say.

"Free trade" is a turkey. Any pol espousing it or even allowing it, will not get my vote; regardless of their other stances.

I hope to see this as THE wedge issue that shakes up the Democratic party.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
35. ^^^this^^^
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:59 PM
Dec 2014

We need to UNITE on this issue within the Democratic Party & the country. We need to produce things here again...where did I hear that before....right, candidate Obama not the real Obama...

We need leaders who will fight "free trade" agreements, before & after elections.

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