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avebury

(10,952 posts)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 09:18 AM Dec 2014

Concept of Enemy Combatants

I have been watching the episode of Law & Order where a sister of an Abu Grahib prisoner killed a female reservist and wanted to be treated as an enemy combatant. It has really gotten me to think about the concept of enemy combatant.

Historically, enemy combatants were most often thought of as being from a set geographic location, like the Japanese, Germans and Italians in WWII or the North Koreans in the Korean War. The US announcement of a War on Terror created the concept of a war on nebulous groups who are bound by ideology or religious beliefs. As a result we have created the concept that fighting wars are not based upon geography because any person can adopt an ideology or religious belief. You could say that the slippery slope of how you define an enemy combatant to other types of groups that you would not have traditionally viewed as enemy combatants.

Take for example what is going on within the US. We have a situation where thousands of people are coming out on the streets protesting the deaths of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, and so on and so on. One could make the case that the people view a segment of the Police as Enemy Combatants because they fail to protect and serve all segments of society while going around killing minorities without facing the consequences of their actions. The police probably view the protesting segments of US society as enemy combatants because they dare to stand up for the right that all lives matter, the police should not be denying people their Constitutional and Civil Rights, and the offending cops be prosecuted. The behavior of the bad cops may end up being the match that lights the spark that gets the masses to stand up to the 1%ers, MIC, and the Republicans/Tea Partiers whose goal is to become our Overlords while making the masses their serfs.

It may only be a matter of time before we start to acknowledge that the War on Terror is retitled and turned into the War on the Masses.

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stone space

(6,498 posts)
2. Historically, would interned Japanese Americans be considered as "Enemy Combatants"?
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 09:42 AM
Dec 2014
Historically, enemy combatants were most often thought of as being from a set geographic location, like the Japanese, Germans and Italians in WWII or the North Koreans in the Korean War.


Or does their geographic location need to be outside of the borders of the USA?



avebury

(10,952 posts)
4. Yes - because the US tarred the Japanese Americans
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:12 AM
Dec 2014

with the same brush, just like there are some people today who view all Muslims as terrorists just because of their religion. They were interned due to an irrational fear. That was the exception due to the Attack on Pearl Harbor. One has to be pretty surprised that we didn't round up all of the Muslims after 9-11. I don't claim that the US method of operating is always rational.

Every group will have the good, the bad and the ugly. I think that there is a group within the category of Law Enforcement that could legitimately be labeled enemy combatants by the masses that they routinely victimize.

There is a real potential that, the powers to be that want to keep the status quo, might eventually view the masses as enemy combatant if they start to believe that they have a chance to change the status quo.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
5. No the Japanese etc. were not considered enemy combatants because they were Japanese etc but
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:57 AM
Dec 2014

because that was the national command structure to which they were subordinated.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
6. The people have become the enemy of the United States government.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 12:17 PM
Dec 2014

And the language of terrorism is being abused to justify calling anyone an enemy, that our criminal corporate government wishes to label an enemy. And that's not just a rhetorical move. Using the language of terrorism moves people into a category of "justice" in which they lose all fundamental Constitutional rights.

It's useful for Americans and non-Americans....for legal machinations and for propaganda. Overseas, the administration has redefined "militant" to include ANY male of a certain age who happens to have been slaughtered by a drone. Our president has a "Kill List."

To avoid counting civilian deaths, Obama re-defined "militant" to mean "all military-age males."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002741255
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/29/militants_media_propaganda/


And here at home, our government has a surveillance state and an entire secret government, secret laws and secret courts, operating alongside the one we are taught about in school. And all it takes to become part of that is for someone to invoke the word, "terrorism" and relate it to you. Terms are being redefined to use the language of terrorism or espionage for any group that our corporate, increasingly totalitarian government considers an irritant.


Protestors against Energy Company charged with terrorism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024175848

Mission Creep: When Everything is Terrorism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023279560

US Uses Espionage Act To Convict Manning Using Words Added In 1990: "with a computer"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023375845

Fed Court: Just changed interpretation of Espionage Act to cover leaks that are NOT Harmful To USA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023365713

NY Times: White House Uses Espionage Act to Silence Employees, Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101616764

Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023080388

OKC protestors slapped with terrorism charges
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024175848

A Nation of "Suspects"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5011487
http://www.truth-out.org/nation-suspects/1314810046

American Protesters Declared Enemy for Weapons Testing Purposes; Rules of Engagement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2132808#2139011

DoD Training Manual: Protests are "Low-Level Terrorism"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100227662

Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1790765

Doctors asked to identify potential terrorists under government plans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1261120&mesg_id=1261120

Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002257966

Top US counterterrorism official: drone critics are Al Qaeda enablers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002279862

"Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists"
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/

N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret, in 2010)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014605329






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