- if he cared - he would delegate it without a second thought.

Then, like a bad train wreck, could not look away.

I might have had to smash mine.

I scared my cat yelling at it, though.

If you ever looked at the people who have had trials there (a tiny number), they are bit players from tiny marginal counties.

investigation/prosecution if warranted/trial and sentence.
That is how criminals are processed.
(Unless their administration was the GWBush administration - and the administration to follow was led by Barack Obama).
Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld,Rice, Rove, et al should at this point already be serving long sentences.
We knew long ago what they were up to when it came to torture.
We surely lost all doubt with Abu Graib.
I counted on President Obama to handle this immediately when I stood on the Mall for the first inauguration and tears ran down my face.

He let me down, since the torture was done in my name, it is personal.
100 percent.
Including the off-putting and infuriating remark: "We tortured some folks" - which in essence acknowledged criminal wrongdoing and the breaking of the Geneva Convention, followed by nothing.

I have said this here so many times I make myself sick about it, but again: "I will not forgive or forget this".
Not speaking up, and in President Obama's case, not acting, means that he is part of it.

I have a dream.

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Over and again, we consider too much not what people do, but who they are when they do it. A soldier committing torture is courtmartialed or hanged. A Vice President goes on television and chortles about the virtues of the "dark side" and goes about his business.

but no one is hanged for waterboarding. Even the Japanese official who was accused got 15 years. No one was hanged for the specific offense of waterboarding.

In a war we are always going to treat our own people less harshly than the opponents. That is just human nature and will never change. And yes, the leaders are almost never held accountable for offenses.

I enlisted in the Air Force in the late 80s and I was asked to serve as a civilian consultant to an Army Division (10th Mountain) in Afghanistan (2002) and Iraq (2003-4) which I did.

You made it sound like you were in Vietnam when that event happened by saying "we used it in Vietnam."

See, that was what made the part of your comment something of having to do with this discussion.

I was replying to a poster who said "We used to hang people for waterboarding". How come you did not ask that poster if they were there doing the hanging??? It is obvious what I meant by using the word "we". You are very transparent.

or Rand Pauls. He gave that little twisted sick smile and said, mine. That terrified me.

Yes he really believes in his foreign policy

tols my wife my hair is growing back and that sick little smile again. I'm terrified he could be thinking of running.

His preference is to be publicly accountable for NOTHING.
He will NEVER seek that office.

Does he not know the difference between terrorism and torture?

are promoting the idea that Republicans back then were really different and much, much better than today's Republicans. This is odd because so many of them are the same Republicans.
I guess the theory is that Rummy and Cheney used to be civil servants of great quality, like their boss Mr Nixon. It was only later, when they heard Sean Hannity, that they became the unhinged nutbags we came to know and to love. Or something like that.
It think the message is 'It was ok to vote for Nixon and Reagan and such if you liked money'.

will keep him out of Hague.