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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 01:51 PM Dec 2014

Report shows torture program used to extract false confessions to propagandize Americans to war

to sell to the American people the continuation of the corporate/MIC agenda of perpetual war for profit.

Please don't miss, please kick and rec. this important post by KoKo:

Is the Media Focusing on the Wrong Senate Torture Report?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025959095


This is the depth of corruption to which our corporate-purchased government has sunk. A deliberate policy of breaking bones, raping, and sodomizing, to extract false confessions to propagandize its own citizens.

An executive order banning "some" "enhanced interrogation techniques"...while continuing renditions with ZERO real accountability...and actively protecting the architects and perpetrators and attempting to conceal the evidence from Americans

doen't even remotely resemble actually ending torture.


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Report shows torture program used to extract false confessions to propagandize Americans to war (Original Post) woo me with science Dec 2014 OP
exactly, for exploitation bigtree Dec 2014 #1
Exploitation aimed squarely at the Americans they claimed to be protecting woo me with science Dec 2014 #2
I have downloaded both reports... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #3
Thanks. woo me with science Dec 2014 #4
I thank you woo... (hah, that sounds funny) malokvale77 Dec 2014 #5
Me, too. woo me with science Dec 2014 #6
Coming from you... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #7
So they sat on that one for 5 years... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #8
K&R 99Forever Dec 2014 #9
I missed that thread...happy to kick Oilwellian Dec 2014 #10

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
1. exactly, for exploitation
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:20 PM
Dec 2014

..from @emptywheel (Marcy Wheeler)

The Debate about Torture We’re Not Having: Exploitation
Published December 8, 2014

As the Senate Armed Services Committee Report on torture (released over 5 years ago, in far less redacted form than tomorrow’s summary will be) makes clear, the Bush regime embraced torture not for “intelligence” but for “exploitation.” In December 2001, when DOD first started searching for what would become torture, it was explicitly looking for “exploitation.”

As Administration lawyers began to reconsider U.S. adherence to the Geneva Conventions, the DoD Office of the General Counsel also began seeking information on detention and interrogation. In December 2001, the DoD General Counsel’s office contacted the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency (JPRA), headquartered at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, for information about detainee “exploitation.

And as a footnote explaining that reference makes clear, “interrogation is only one part of the exploitation process.”



Some other things exploitation is used for — indeed the very things the torture we reverse-engineered for our own torture program was used for — are to help recruit double agents and to produce propaganda.

And we have every reason to believe those were among the things all incarnations of our torture were used for. We tortured in Abu Ghraib because we had no sources in the Iraqi resistance and for some reason we believed sexually humiliating men would shame them into turning narcs for the US.

read more: https://www.emptywheel.net/2014/12/08/the-debate-about-torture-were-not-having-exploitation/


related:

Some torture facts.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2014/12/08/some-torture-facts/

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
2. Exploitation aimed squarely at the Americans they claimed to be protecting
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:57 PM
Dec 2014

as well as the human beings who were tortured and sodomized.

Torture of human beings carried out for the purpose of extracting bogus confessions,
to be used in duping Americans into supporting their wars.



This is the level of contempt our corrupt government has for us now, and the level of evil they are willing to embrace to keep us defending them.

Thank you for the link, bigtree. You have been a powerhouse of information on all this.


malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
3. I have downloaded both reports...
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:58 PM
Dec 2014

They are part of my winter reading.

Thanks woo. I'm going to check out the KoKo thread now.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
4. Thanks.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 06:55 PM
Dec 2014

This is so important.

Bares the depth of the corruption and utter contempt for Americans as well as human life.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
5. I thank you woo... (hah, that sounds funny)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 07:21 PM
Dec 2014

You and a dozen or so others on DU are why I come to this site. You all point me to information that I would not find on my own.

I appreciate each and every one of you. Molotov.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
6. Me, too.
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 09:30 PM
Dec 2014

The fierce and principled Americans here, like you, who remember what this country is supposed to stand for are the reason I keep coming back.



SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
8. So they sat on that one for 5 years...
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 10:19 PM
Dec 2014

Something fishy here... And I don't mean me. Makes me wonder why this one was allowed to be released like it was...

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
10. I missed that thread...happy to kick
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 11:29 PM
Dec 2014

From Koko's link:

The White House started pushing the use of torture not when faced with a “ticking time bomb” scenario from terrorists, but when officials in 2002 were desperately casting about for ways to tie Iraq to the 9/11 attacks.


Sanctimonious doesn't begin to describe what I'm feeling right now.



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