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Elizabeth Warren just adjourned the Senate until tomorrow (Original Post) pinboy3niner Dec 2014 OP
May she have many more times in that chair, my dear pinboy3niner! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #1
You know that ALL Senators alternate as President Pro Temp of the Senate, don't you? brooklynite Dec 2014 #8
Yes, I did think they got to do that. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #9
The president pro tempore of the U.S. Senate Staph Dec 2014 #15
Pat Leahy is the president pro-tempore Mass Dec 2014 #19
As VP lobodons Dec 2014 #17
She looks like a natural up there. JeffHead Dec 2014 #2
That's it, she's running still_one Dec 2014 #3
Yup. And she's gonna kick some corporatist's ass all over town! NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #4
Unless she sneezes pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #5
Yup, she's going to run for US Senate in 2018. longship Dec 2014 #6
That was exactly what I was implying, which is why I was extremely careful about tense still_one Dec 2014 #7
I a am confused about your post in context with many DU EW posts. longship Dec 2014 #10
She declined to say she would not run. immoderate Dec 2014 #11
I guess somebody ought to get out the tattoo equipment. longship Dec 2014 #13
I take her at her word as well. She's said, since like jan 2013,"I am not running for president." RiverLover Dec 2014 #21
Silly me!! I guess I should expect equivocation from a politician. longship Dec 2014 #22
Well, its good you've got your priorities straight. RiverLover Dec 2014 #23
I wouldn't call that equivocation. It's being precise. immoderate Dec 2014 #25
No, she refused to play the reporter's games. Mass Dec 2014 #20
I get what you're saying. Her hat is NOT in the ring! immoderate Dec 2014 #24
Wow, very impressive still_one Dec 2014 #12
Well, Hillary also said she wouldnt run for office again, and we know how THAT vow will stand. nt 7962 Dec 2014 #16
But! But, but, but, but,... longship Dec 2014 #18
It is not lying or equivocating... TDale313 Dec 2014 #26
What you call equivocation is really ambiguity. immoderate Dec 2014 #27
Well, maybe some people are being delusional... longship Dec 2014 #28
I never could understand it. With ANY of them. Why be so obtuse? Example: 7962 Dec 2014 #29
AFAIK, Liz has never, ever said that she may change her mind. longship Dec 2014 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Dec 2014 #14
Agreed. Being drafted is MUCH better than the alternative in today's political world. nt stillwaiting Dec 2014 #31
Just listened to Warren's NPR interview. She's just like the rest. 7962 Dec 2014 #30

brooklynite

(94,591 posts)
8. You know that ALL Senators alternate as President Pro Temp of the Senate, don't you?
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:56 PM
Dec 2014

Doesn't give them any special powers.

Staph

(6,251 posts)
15. The president pro tempore of the U.S. Senate
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:12 PM
Dec 2014

is generally the longest serving member of the majority party. The current one is Patrick Leahy; come January, it will most likely be Orrin Hatch.

What Elizabeth Warren was doing was presiding over the Senate. It's not a formal position, just a chance to brush up on one's parliamentary procedure. All senators take their turn in the big chair!


Mass

(27,315 posts)
19. Pat Leahy is the president pro-tempore
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:14 AM
Dec 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_pro_tempore_of_the_United_States_Senate. It is the Senator of the majority party with the longest continuous presence.

Here Warren was the presiding officer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presiding_Officer_of_the_United_States_Senate

A fonction that is usually given to junior senators except if the circumstances impose that the Vice President or the President pro-tempore presides.

JeffHead

(1,186 posts)
2. She looks like a natural up there.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:19 PM
Dec 2014

Now if she could take that gavel back into the cloak room and beat some sense into her fellow senators we'd be getting somewhere.

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. Yup, she's going to run for US Senate in 2018.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:32 PM
Dec 2014

And if I lived in MA, I would gladly vote for her.

However, I have not heard that she was running for any other office.

Have you?

I did not think so.

longship

(40,416 posts)
10. I a am confused about your post in context with many DU EW posts.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:06 PM
Dec 2014

Many say that, in spite of her repeated claims to the contrary, she will run for POTUS in 2016, just like many DUers made the same claims about Al Gore in 2008 (counter to his repeated claims).

And just like 2008, they parse the language, "I am not running for POTUS" as not meaning "I will not run for POTUS." (<==very carefully worded.)

It is an ignorant, stupid meaningless rhetorical argument.

Elizabeth Warren is not going to run for POTUS. She has said so so many times. Does she have to pull a Lisbeth Salander and tattoo it on people's bellies?

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
11. She declined to say she would not run.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:17 PM
Dec 2014

She instead reiterated that she is not running. And run or not, the specter of her candidacy has an effect on the field.

--imm

longship

(40,416 posts)
13. I guess somebody ought to get out the tattoo equipment.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 10:25 PM
Dec 2014

As again, you are parsing her language too finely.

I take her at her word. If you are correct, I do not want her as POTUS.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
21. I take her at her word as well. She's said, since like jan 2013,"I am not running for president."
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:21 AM
Dec 2014

That's true. She isn't. When she decides to run, she'll say "I am running for president."



longship

(40,416 posts)
22. Silly me!! I guess I should expect equivocation from a politician.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:22 AM
Dec 2014

I will never vote for her if she does that.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
23. Well, its good you've got your priorities straight.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:47 AM
Dec 2014

If she was considering running & had said so, how much good would she have done in the senate for the past TWO years, since the press first began asking her that? She at least seems good at prioritizing. She'll announce when the time is right for her & her family, just like Hillary.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
25. I wouldn't call that equivocation. It's being precise.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:12 AM
Dec 2014

Declaring a candidacy is a critical move. It carries much legal implication. It's also a strategic move. What would she say if this weren't a good time to declare?

It's conceivable that Warren, at some future time, determines that there is no viable Democratic candidate that represents the populist (current euphemism for liberal) objectives, and fills the void. Could happen?

You certainly sound more definite than she does.

--imm

Mass

(27,315 posts)
20. No, she refused to play the reporter's games.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:16 AM
Dec 2014

She said I do not know how many times she was not running, and the idiot interviewing was playing semantics (at least I hope he was and not her, because I have no respect for semantics games).

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
16. Well, Hillary also said she wouldnt run for office again, and we know how THAT vow will stand. nt
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:30 PM
Dec 2014

longship

(40,416 posts)
18. But! But, but, but, but,...
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 11:55 PM
Dec 2014

How is Elizabeth any better than any candidate in recent years if she equivocates like them all?

How can you trust anything she says then?

You cannot have it both ways. Either she is ethical or not. I take her at her word. Apparently you do not. Then, why would you support her for president? If she equivocates on her prospective presidential candidacy, why not on votes on breaking up Citigroup? Once one crosses the line, where is the new line?

Furthermore, when one argues that she is crossing a line that hasn't yet been crossed it just sounds like wishful thinking, or made up shit (depending on ones position).

So far, I see no reason to distrust her. And I love her in the US Senate. I am glad that she will not be running for POTUS. We need her where she is. BADLY!!

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
26. It is not lying or equivocating...
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:22 AM
Dec 2014

To choose one's words carefully. She did not shut that door completely- she could have, easily. Whatever her future plans are it makes sense not to have. She's doing good things where she is, would do good things if she ran and/or won as President. I would not see it as a character flaw if she chose to run after saying what she's said how she said it. I will also still adore her if she doesn't run.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
27. What you call equivocation is really ambiguity.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:25 AM
Dec 2014

It's called politics. Why would you think she can't be political?

--imm

longship

(40,416 posts)
28. Well, maybe some people are being delusional...
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 04:42 AM
Dec 2014

...that she is really being deliberately obtuse and may run for president. (BTW, that is, by definition, equivocation.)

Myself, I take her at her word and would be very disappointed in her if she does that. Mainly, she promised her constituents that she would remain in the senate for the whole term.

So I guess I have to respectfully disagree with your position.

My regards.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
29. I never could understand it. With ANY of them. Why be so obtuse? Example:
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:43 AM
Dec 2014

What would be so wrong with answering "I have no plans to run for "X". I MAY change my mind in the future, but I doubt it and right now I'm focused on the Senate (or whatever)". Why would that be so terrible? Everyone today thinks politicians answers are a joke anyway, why not be HONEST for a change.
Even Romney said recently (paraphrasing) "i'm not planning to run in 16. Things could change but I doubt it"

longship

(40,416 posts)
32. AFAIK, Liz has never, ever said that she may change her mind.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 03:59 PM
Dec 2014

She has only ever said that she's not running. All the rest is the mind of the beholder. (One would suppose.)

I really love Elizabeth Warren. I find her an incredible Senator. I take her at her word.

We will all see what she does, or does not, do. My money is on her honesty.

Peace, my friend.

Response to still_one (Reply #3)

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
30. Just listened to Warren's NPR interview. She's just like the rest.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:35 AM
Dec 2014

Saying "I'm not running for president" repeatedly while the interviewer constantly asks for clarification out of present tense was ridiculous.

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