Yes, children are disconnected from their natal cultures, but an Irish girl adopted by an English family is disconnected from her natal culture. Marcus Samuelsson is disconnected from his natal culture. Snooki is disconnected from her natal culture.

When it becomes more than a few percent of a culture, then I might become concerned, but right now, calling adoption "genocide" is sort of offensive to adoptees and victims of actual genocide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_orphans_and_foundlings

Take this example:



Cultural genocide, indeed!

http://www.history.com/photos/barack-obama/photo2

I don't know if that's the best example . . .

but since she gave birth to him everythng is fine?

How does that work, exactly?

I'm a black woman woman who came from the vagina of a white woman who had a 40 year marriage.

As that child - I've had white children in particular ask me if I was adopted. I was not.

And if my husband and I had a bio child (him being white) there's a good chance they'd be light as Ivory soap.

Take it back Nye - I didn't say what you TRIED to mirror.

I made a point -


She was an American.
She gave birth to that little boy in America.
He's an American.
His mama's DNA is all over his face now. All over. He's got that long Irish face.

No adoption.

do you see a problem with that? Would you have criticized her for that?

I'm sorry - I don't see where you criticized anyone here.

I'm a product of a mixed marriage - and I thank you for pointing out the obvious - again.

Hope you forgot your sarcasm thingie.

Fuck that. Kids need a loving family.

Yes race issues can emerge that the parent may be ill-equipped to deal with. That's fucking life. As long as the parent loves the child, it's better than a string of foster homes or orphanages.

As someone who worked with abused children and now works with many adults who were abused as children, of all colors, any one of these people would have been better off, led happier lives, realized far more of their potential, if they had been raised by people who loved them and who managed to be even just OK parents. Race be damned.

Not necessarily, anyway.

but this comment is just foul.

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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1994-09-14/news/9409130503_1_adoption-foster-care-trans-racial

For more than 20 years, black children in foster care have been held hostage to ideology. Adoptions of black children by white couples have been severely curtailed since the National Association of Black Social Workers blasted the practice as ''racial and cultural genocide'' in 1971.

The social workers organization charged that white parents could not raise black children to cope with a racist society, and that children were being cut off from their heritage. Better to stay in foster care or in institutions than to be so alienated, went the theory, which became policy in most states.

Since then, studies have shown that trans-racial adoption does not produce emotionally crippled, racially confused adults who fit nowhere. A 20-year study found that trans-racial adoptees (almost all adopted as infants) were as healthy, well-adjusted and close to their adoptive parents as their white siblings, who were the parents' children by birth.

...

''The greatest fear was that they'd grow up to be Oreos, black on the outside and white on the inside,'' says researcher Rita Simon, professor of public affairs and law at The American University. ''That's all garbage. The black kids are the first to say: 'We know what we are. We can look in the mirror.' ''

more

was published there were few interracial marriages. Today there are a lot of them and they have well adjusted happy children and at least one of them has become the President of the USA.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025886611

Protesting Ferguson PD in Portland, Ore..

They had passed through the death factories: his mother, Sarah, from Treblinka by way of Theresienstadt; his father, Viktor, from a place he refused to acknowledge.

They never had children of their own but instead adopted little ones who had been brutalized by life. For example, their son, my friend Ron, had been torched as a babe by his drug-addled birth mother. Another child, a daughter, was abandoned by her birth parents because she had an incurable disorder that took her life at 15.

And through it all, Sarah & Viktor tried to make sense of the world and of what they had endured by giving freely of their love. So much had been taken, so very much denied, yet they found the capacity to make the world better, even if it was only within the confines of their small family and its duration admittedly ephemeral.

Everywhere I look in the world it is with hope. Having known and loved Sarah, what other option do I have?


("Cultural genocide." I can't imagine how Sarah would have reacted to that.)

she hails from South Africa...

That said, it doesn't seem there is an overwhelming demand to adopt black kids so kudos to anyone who does.

think she knows what the fuck she's talking about? "Insider?" Really? So what? She shows she doesn't know jackshite about what Moms are feeling who adopt Black babies.

Jesus

I wish I could say I was shocked by that line in the OP, but it's just another drop in the bucket around here nowadays.

Mahalo

JESUS

...well or ill, but usually turns out well and is far better than kicking around the foster care system until being ejected at a young 18 years of age.

Amy Pascal's cynicism is absolutely corrosive.

a fashion accessory" Amy Pascal actually sounds like a jealous mean girl to me. How dare she try to belittle Moms who have the means to give Black kids a loving environment.

That's quite right, Hekate.. "Amy Pascal's cynicism is absolutely corrosive."

I love seeing pics of Sandra Bullock with little Louis in her arms in New Orleans.

I wonder though if she has BECOME this due to the people she has surrounded herself with?

She's really snotty.


I'm actually starting to look at Harvey Weinstein and Robert Redford as sweethearts after reading this shit from Rudin and Pascal both.

what they wrote. I have no idea what makes her so corrosively cynical as Hekate put it.

But, this sure could be a wake up call!

Gen

Here's a picture of Amy Pascal and Angelina Jolie.


I think Amy better stay well away from her.

This stupid nonsense is a huge distraction from the real issue here.

You know what's worse than trans-racial adoption? Living in congregate care with no parents to love you and take care of you, no family connections to guide you through life, no stability, no safety.

These celebrity babies are mostly adopted from Africa.

Here is an example..

Now its Jillian Michaels, celebrity trainer to the stars and star of The Biggest Loser getting in on the act and declaring she intends to adopt a child from the Congo. Michaels explained in an interview with Women’s Health she doesn’t want to get pregnant to produce her own prodigy saying, “I can’t handle doing that to my body. Also, when you rescue something, it’s like rescuing a part of yourself.”

At the risk of sporting some stretch marks she travels to africa to "rescue" a baby.



This shit is so obvious TMZ couldn't avoid pointing it out in a sarcastic piece called "black baby"

Holy shit that stings.

Alfre Woodard, Al Roker, David E Kelly, Diane Keaton, Edie Falco, Viola Davis, Hugh Jackman, Louis Gossett Jr, Nicole Kidman, Rosie O'Donnel, Taurean Blacuque, Diane Weist and many more 'stars' past and present are adoptive parents.
You can research the rest and figure out who of which race adopted whom of what race if that concerns you.
"However motherhood comes to you, it’s a miracle." Valerie Harper. I agree with her.

Just sayin'

What's up with that?

Horrible man you!

But the point remains - Pascal said it.

I bet they are working on her comp package now. She's going to a parachute - no doubt.

But the hits just keep coming with her.

Very entitled, arrogant, stuck up - snot this one is - isn't she?

Until people are willing to hear and process this, they are not going to be open to listening to any other point of view than their own.

But the idea that celebrities use adoptees, especially trans-racial adoptees as fashion accessories, and yeah, adoption reform activists are acutely aware of this trend. Just recently it was Kim Kardashian who found a cute little girl in an orphanage and "just had to have her". Luckily, this little girl was old enough to say "no". Most children in orphanages are not old enough to say no. The little girl, like most children in orphanages, has a mother and a family. Most are there because their families cannot not provide enough food or education, but are very much wanted and loved.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2840460/Life-Kardashians-d-stay-poverty-Thailand-13-year-old-orphan-girl-Kim-desperate-adopt-says-NO.html

Finally, most adoptees do not feel safe to talk about issues surrounding adoption with friends and family, they mimic back what they think they are expected to say. I encourage all DUers to watch this film about one trans-racial/inter country adoptee:



There are extremely complex issues inherent in adoption, and those complexities are multiplied in trans-racial and inter-country adoptions.

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It's obvious once you step away from the fantasy world.

Assimilation for some cultures is cultural genocide.

We've seen this at work with the so called Indian schools which were created to destroy native american culture and heritage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools

We've seen this in Chile where the fascist regimes stole babies from leftists and gave them to military families after they murdered their mothers.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/30/world/americas/chile-stolen-babies/index.html

It's obvious a child will mimic and connect with the culture of their adopted parents at the expense of their own ethno-racial group.

Possession is nine-tenths of the law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law

Its so obvious.

No, it isn't. It depends entirely how the child is raised. If the parents make the effort to honor the child's heritage, and to connect the child with others of their ethnicity in the local community, the child will do just fine. This requires the parents to learn about that ethnicity, as well. It can be done, and I know many doing it.

Transracial adoptions are pretty common around here.

and belonging to it.

A deep difference.

Especially around here, the DC suburbs, the local schools often have children from 90 different nations. Immigration is changing everything. All the races and ethnicities are well-represented. The interesting question is how this will affect American culture. It is vastly different than when I was a young boy growing up in all-white suburbs where almost all were of northern European heritage. I never met a person of color until junior high.

I think the greatest impact on cultures worldwide was the invention of jet airplane travel. Now anyone can travel to the far side of the planet in about a day or so. And, they do. We are, by and large, no longer cut off from one another by geography.

and not the hollywood nation.



We should all be proud of where we came from and how we got there.

You seem to be ignoring the historical process of acculturation.

Good that it seems to have suddenly dawned on people that this argument from 40+ years ago was also used in opposition to interracial marriage being legal. And also by many people who did not want their offspring to marry outside of their race.

my cousin adopted from china + ethiopia. its awesome. they are great together.

Because races shouldn't mix, or something. I still don't quite get their argument.

You've forwarded the premise multiple times in this thread that cross-cultural adoptions are genocide. Could you expound on that for those of us not quite as clever as you are?