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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen it comes to Jeb, it's probably a good idea to listen to those who remember him as governor.
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Jeb Bush a 'moderate'? Don't be silly
Jeb Bush really wants to be president.
The pundits, however, fear he's not conservative enough that he's too moderate.
That fear is about as legitimate as me fearing my abs are too ripped.
Jeb Bush is a union-busting, school-voucher-promoting, tax-cutting, gun-loving, Terri Schiavo-interfering, hard-core conservative.
What makes Bush different from a lot of the other candidates is that he's also sane.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-jeb-bush-rubio-2016-scott-maxwell-20141216-column.html
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)of election fraud in history.
Surely the greatest when you consider the consequences.
The existence of life on the planet may be at risk in large part due to those 8 years of horror.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)It was a good Letterman joke this week. I'll miss Dave....
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Walter Brennan Bush
shraby
(21,946 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)that he can carry Florida?
Orlandodem
(1,115 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts)Every time, all the time.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)Once the right wing hate industry goes after the wife as "one of those people," it'll be over for Jebbie's dream and our nightmare.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)I don't have a link handy, but yes, I read that a few times.
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/082906/met_4705867.shtml
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)It may have been overreach in power, but no one was questioning them. And there were a lot of sneaky things happening under his watch. I believe it was under Bush that the teacher's pension was hit with an Enron investment that was already flaming.
People in Miami, which seem to know more about the Bushes than what I hear in Orlando, wondered if Columba would be okay with Jeb's run because they say she is over-protective of her family and, apparently, one of their children had a drug issue some time back. I take it as an indication that she beat it since her dad is now running.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Fraud makes up about half the list.
And it's only a partial list:
The bribery case: In 1988, Bush formed a company with GOP donor David Eller to market water pumps manufactured by Moving Water Industries, another Eller business, to foreign countries. The company used Bush's White House ties to drum up business. In 1992, at the behest of MWI, the Export-Import Bank approved $74 million in US-backed loans to Nigeria to buy water pumps from Eller's company. The Justice Department later alleged in a 2002 civil suit that about $28 million of those loans were used to bribe a Nigerian official. Bush was not implicated, but in November 2013, a jury found MWI guilty of making 58 false claims to the Export-Import Bank on its applications for the Nigerian loans. A federal judge fined the company $580,000. Bush escaped testifying after the judge determined his testimony wouldn't be relevant to the central issue in the case.
The fortunate son: Cuban American real estate developer Armando Codina was the Florida chair of George H.W. Bush's unsuccessful 1980 bid for the GOP presidential nomination. He loved the Bush family so much that when Jeb first moved to Miami in the early 1980s, he made Bush a partner in his real estate company and gave him 40 percent of the profitseven though Jeb had no real estate experience or money to invest. In 1985, Bush and Codina bought an office building partially financed by a savings and loan that later failed. The $4.56 million loan went into default, but federal regulators gave Bush and his partner a pass. Instead of foreclosing, they merely asked them to repay $500,000 of the loan. Taxpayers picked up the rest. In 1991, Bush and Codina sold the building for $8 million.
The shady company: In 2007, Bush joined the board of InnoVida, a building materials-manufacturing startup founded by a businessman whose previous company had gone bankrupt under suspicious circumstances. Bush and his fellow board members subsequently failed to notice that InnoVida officials had used forged documents to fake solvency, hidden the company's financial problems, and misappropriated $40 million. The company's Maserati-driving founder eventually went to jail for money laundering, and investors lost their shirts when the company went bankrupt in 2011. Last year, Bush agreed to repay the $270,000 he was paid by the company as a consultant to reimburse defrauded investors.
The Big Finance fail: Bush signed on as a paid adviser to the financial giant Lehman Brothers in 2007, just as the firm was on the brink of collapse. The company hoped he would use his political ties to rescue it, but he couldn't even convince Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim to throw some money into that pit.
More...much more:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/23-reasons-why-jeb-bush-shouldnt-run-president
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)but nobody seemed to care.
Florida is going down the same road as Texas.
After Bush we got Perry. Now we have Abbott.
Hang on to your seats Florida. It's about to get way past bumpy.
Cha
(297,275 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)That sticker is going to take the whole bumper.
Cha
(297,275 posts)LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)C Moon
(12,213 posts)It sounds like they're planning on going down the exact same road.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)People all over were scratching their heads and asking, "Can a conservative BE compassionate?" Many thought he must be lying. (Hint: He was.)
If anyone claimed to be a compassionate liberal, everyone would shrug and say, "So what?"
samsingh
(17,599 posts)that turned out to be a complete lie.
jeb is not sane as you say - he's no different than the other cold hearted repugs and bushies that came before him.
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)spanone
(135,841 posts)ramapo
(4,588 posts)With all the complaining about "King" Obama, it is surprising that there is not a peep of discomfort at the prospect of another Bush being crowned as President by the powerbrokers. To be honest, I don't feel all that differently about another Clinton being elected.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)The basic story: Ichetucknee Springs and the Ichetucknee River is one of the most pristine, beautiful waterways in the country. A notorious cement company, Anderson Columbia, who had been fined multiple times for pollution and other environmental regulation violations, wanted to build a cement plant within a mile or two of the river. The outcry against the plant was considerable, so Jeb came down to Ichetucknee to canoe the river. He vowed to block the permits to build a plant. Less than a month later, he suddenly and without explanation reversed his position and said he would not block the permits. Two days later, Anderson Columbia donated over $180,000 to Jeb Bush and the Republican Party of Florida.
That alone disqualifies him from public office in my book.
mcar
(42,334 posts)His "devious plan" to destroy public education is still around. He turned this state into a cesspool.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)So here comes Jeb. His wife can never be a first lady. She lied to the feds about 20K in purchases she was bringing back into the U.S. from Paris. Jeb's been a big philanderer. Two of his children have been in the news in the past years for arrests linked to drug problems, public intoxication, and sex in public. (don't confuse the W's kids).
Then there is the family issue of robbing banks. One, the Silverado Savings and Loan, several ways into which many in the Bush family were involved, and also many politicians still in office today. Jeb, George Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars, one quarter of our national debt. One also thinks it's polite to take up the Asian hookers when presented.
Their grandfather worked for Hilter, and HW lied about working for the CIA. We were to believe this when he was chosen to head the CIA agency?
The entire family has been an "AMERICAN DISASTER'.
Then there is Jeb's Nigerian water pump bribery scandal back in the courts, just last year! Illegal immigration is an "act of love".
Let us not forget that Jeb Bush defaulted on a $4.56 million dollar loan from the Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, FL. After federal regulators closed the S&L, the office building that Jeb used the $4.56 million to finance was reappraised by the regulators at $500,000.00, which Bush and his partners paid. The taxpayers had to pay back the remaining 4 million plus dollars, as in the past. This family robs banks and created a drug war to run drugs. Just read Barry and the Boys. Barry Seal flew planes for the CIA and ran drugs for HW and a few others.
So spare me if I'm a little sad to even THINK ABOUT ANOTHER BUSH RUNNING! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? US?
Jeb took down the 'Board of Regents' for the university system and replaced it with the board of governors, appointed. He paved over the landscape and made it unrecognizable.
Must we put ourselves through this again? Or will the voting machines Jeb ushered in do it for us?
MADem
(135,425 posts)This bit was interesting....it's rather a stark indictment.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-jeb-bush-rubio-2016-scott-maxwell-20141216-column.html
He pushed tax cuts for investors and opposed equal rights for gays.
He expanded school vouchers and hatched "devious plans" to fight voters' calls for smaller class sizes.
Jeb Bush isn't conservative in the libertarian get-government-out-of-your-life kinda way. He's conservative in the I-want-government-to-impose-my-values kinda way.
He embraces the death penalty, opposes choice for women and fought embryonic stem-cell research.
When Terri Schiavo lay in a permanent vegetative state and her husband wanted to honor her wishes to let her die, Jeb tried to force a feeding tube back inside her body until a court told him it was none of his business.
ut oh
(895 posts)Click the link and you get a pop up asking to subscribe to premium or whatever... Then dumps you to their main page...
Just FYI to the OP
lunasun
(21,646 posts)But know him by his deeds not words
Super shitty track record