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Baitball Blogger

(46,720 posts)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:38 PM Dec 2014

When it comes to Jeb, it's probably a good idea to listen to those who remember him as governor.

Paid subscription only, which is a shame because there's a good run down on his track record.

Jeb Bush a 'moderate'? Don't be silly

Jeb Bush really wants to be president.

The pundits, however, fear he's not conservative enough — that he's too moderate.

That fear is about as legitimate as me fearing my abs are too ripped.

Jeb Bush is a union-busting, school-voucher-promoting, tax-cutting, gun-loving, Terri Schiavo-interfering, hard-core conservative.

What makes Bush different from a lot of the other candidates is that he's also sane.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-jeb-bush-rubio-2016-scott-maxwell-20141216-column.html

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When it comes to Jeb, it's probably a good idea to listen to those who remember him as governor. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 OP
And remember, he is the one who directed Katherine Harris to commit the greatest act NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #1
"so what Bush brother is going to steal Florida for Jeb?" stuffmatters Dec 2014 #24
The one nobody speaks of NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #25
Also he was in charge of Florida when gw was selected. shraby Dec 2014 #2
I'm not sure you can be those things and still considered "sane". JaneyVee Dec 2014 #3
Is it a given mainstreetonce Dec 2014 #4
Download the Sentinel app and you can get the article. Orlandodem Dec 2014 #5
Just call him Bush. Iggo Dec 2014 #6
So far people are being very politically correct. Vinca Dec 2014 #7
He's an original PNAC signer. This should come up every day in the campaign. nt wiggs Dec 2014 #8
He was described as "dictatorial" in his dealings with the Florida legislature steve2470 Dec 2014 #9
Both Bushes were CEO styled leaders. Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #11
Mother Jones gives us a handy 23 item list of what we should remember AND speak up about. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #12
I said the same about brother W... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #10
Indeed, BB.. and to know this.. Cha Dec 2014 #13
LOL! Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #14
Wouldn't it be an epic one, though? Thousands driving around.. reminding us! Cha Dec 2014 #15
The whole door panel! I'll take one -- where do I sign up! LuckyLib Dec 2014 #27
GW Bush ran as a "compassionate conservative." C Moon Dec 2014 #16
He made that claim for the shock value. tclambert Dec 2014 #17
we thought george w shrub was also moderate samsingh Dec 2014 #18
I think the writer meant that he is sane by Florida standards. Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #19
Jeb's only "moderate" when he's running for office. He hopes we'll forget what he REALLY stands for. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #20
two words for jeb bush: terry schiavo spanone Dec 2014 #21
Bush Monarchy ramapo Dec 2014 #22
He sold out Ichetucknee Springs for $180,000 in political donations. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2014 #23
I remember it all mcar Dec 2014 #26
Here's what I remember! TheNutcracker Dec 2014 #28
I got through after x-ing the pay box, somehow.... MADem Dec 2014 #29
Can't read the full article ut oh Dec 2014 #30
True he doesnt talk the tea bonicss,be super jesus crazy or anything at least in public lunasun Dec 2014 #31
I agree with all that, except the sane part. B Calm Dec 2014 #32

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
1. And remember, he is the one who directed Katherine Harris to commit the greatest act
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:41 PM
Dec 2014

of election fraud in history.

Surely the greatest when you consider the consequences.

The existence of life on the planet may be at risk in large part due to those 8 years of horror.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
24. "so what Bush brother is going to steal Florida for Jeb?"
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:57 PM
Dec 2014

It was a good Letterman joke this week. I'll miss Dave....

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
7. So far people are being very politically correct.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 06:19 PM
Dec 2014

Once the right wing hate industry goes after the wife as "one of those people," it'll be over for Jebbie's dream and our nightmare.

Baitball Blogger

(46,720 posts)
11. Both Bushes were CEO styled leaders.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:21 PM
Dec 2014

It may have been overreach in power, but no one was questioning them. And there were a lot of sneaky things happening under his watch. I believe it was under Bush that the teacher's pension was hit with an Enron investment that was already flaming.

People in Miami, which seem to know more about the Bushes than what I hear in Orlando, wondered if Columba would be okay with Jeb's run because they say she is over-protective of her family and, apparently, one of their children had a drug issue some time back. I take it as an indication that she beat it since her dad is now running.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
12. Mother Jones gives us a handy 23 item list of what we should remember AND speak up about.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:01 PM
Dec 2014

Fraud makes up about half the list.
And it's only a partial list:

The bribery case: In 1988, Bush formed a company with GOP donor David Eller to market water pumps manufactured by Moving Water Industries, another Eller business, to foreign countries. The company used Bush's White House ties to drum up business. In 1992, at the behest of MWI, the Export-Import Bank approved $74 million in US-backed loans to Nigeria to buy water pumps from Eller's company. The Justice Department later alleged in a 2002 civil suit that about $28 million of those loans were used to bribe a Nigerian official. Bush was not implicated, but in November 2013, a jury found MWI guilty of making 58 false claims to the Export-Import Bank on its applications for the Nigerian loans. A federal judge fined the company $580,000. Bush escaped testifying after the judge determined his testimony wouldn't be relevant to the central issue in the case.

The fortunate son: Cuban American real estate developer Armando Codina was the Florida chair of George H.W. Bush's unsuccessful 1980 bid for the GOP presidential nomination. He loved the Bush family so much that when Jeb first moved to Miami in the early 1980s, he made Bush a partner in his real estate company and gave him 40 percent of the profits—even though Jeb had no real estate experience or money to invest. In 1985, Bush and Codina bought an office building partially financed by a savings and loan that later failed. The $4.56 million loan went into default, but federal regulators gave Bush and his partner a pass. Instead of foreclosing, they merely asked them to repay $500,000 of the loan. Taxpayers picked up the rest. In 1991, Bush and Codina sold the building for $8 million.

The shady company: In 2007, Bush joined the board of InnoVida, a building materials-manufacturing startup founded by a businessman whose previous company had gone bankrupt under suspicious circumstances. Bush and his fellow board members subsequently failed to notice that InnoVida officials had used forged documents to fake solvency, hidden the company's financial problems, and misappropriated $40 million. The company's Maserati-driving founder eventually went to jail for money laundering, and investors lost their shirts when the company went bankrupt in 2011. Last year, Bush agreed to repay the $270,000 he was paid by the company as a consultant to reimburse defrauded investors.

The Big Finance fail: Bush signed on as a paid adviser to the financial giant Lehman Brothers in 2007, just as the firm was on the brink of collapse. The company hoped he would use his political ties to rescue it, but he couldn't even convince Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim to throw some money into that pit.

More...much more:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/23-reasons-why-jeb-bush-shouldnt-run-president

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
10. I said the same about brother W...
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:21 PM
Dec 2014

but nobody seemed to care.

Florida is going down the same road as Texas.

After Bush we got Perry. Now we have Abbott.

Hang on to your seats Florida. It's about to get way past bumpy.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
16. GW Bush ran as a "compassionate conservative."
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:08 PM
Dec 2014

It sounds like they're planning on going down the exact same road.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
17. He made that claim for the shock value.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:56 PM
Dec 2014

People all over were scratching their heads and asking, "Can a conservative BE compassionate?" Many thought he must be lying. (Hint: He was.)

If anyone claimed to be a compassionate liberal, everyone would shrug and say, "So what?"

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
18. we thought george w shrub was also moderate
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:25 PM
Dec 2014

that turned out to be a complete lie.

jeb is not sane as you say - he's no different than the other cold hearted repugs and bushies that came before him.

ramapo

(4,588 posts)
22. Bush Monarchy
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:38 PM
Dec 2014

With all the complaining about "King" Obama, it is surprising that there is not a peep of discomfort at the prospect of another Bush being crowned as President by the powerbrokers. To be honest, I don't feel all that differently about another Clinton being elected.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
23. He sold out Ichetucknee Springs for $180,000 in political donations.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:52 PM
Dec 2014

The basic story: Ichetucknee Springs and the Ichetucknee River is one of the most pristine, beautiful waterways in the country. A notorious cement company, Anderson Columbia, who had been fined multiple times for pollution and other environmental regulation violations, wanted to build a cement plant within a mile or two of the river. The outcry against the plant was considerable, so Jeb came down to Ichetucknee to canoe the river. He vowed to block the permits to build a plant. Less than a month later, he suddenly and without explanation reversed his position and said he would not block the permits. Two days later, Anderson Columbia donated over $180,000 to Jeb Bush and the Republican Party of Florida.

That alone disqualifies him from public office in my book.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
26. I remember it all
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:39 PM
Dec 2014

His "devious plan" to destroy public education is still around. He turned this state into a cesspool.

 

TheNutcracker

(2,104 posts)
28. Here's what I remember!
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:02 PM
Dec 2014

So here comes Jeb. His wife can never be a first lady. She lied to the feds about 20K in purchases she was bringing back into the U.S. from Paris. Jeb's been a big philanderer. Two of his children have been in the news in the past years for arrests linked to drug problems, public intoxication, and sex in public. (don't confuse the W's kids).

Then there is the family issue of robbing banks. One, the Silverado Savings and Loan, several ways into which many in the Bush family were involved, and also many politicians still in office today. Jeb, George Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars, one quarter of our national debt. One also thinks it's polite to take up the Asian hookers when presented.

Their grandfather worked for Hilter, and HW lied about working for the CIA. We were to believe this when he was chosen to head the CIA agency?

The entire family has been an "AMERICAN DISASTER'.

Then there is Jeb's Nigerian water pump bribery scandal back in the courts, just last year! Illegal immigration is an "act of love".

Let us not forget that Jeb Bush defaulted on a $4.56 million dollar loan from the Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, FL. After federal regulators closed the S&L, the office building that Jeb used the $4.56 million to finance was reappraised by the regulators at $500,000.00, which Bush and his partners paid. The taxpayers had to pay back the remaining 4 million plus dollars, as in the past. This family robs banks and created a drug war to run drugs. Just read Barry and the Boys. Barry Seal flew planes for the CIA and ran drugs for HW and a few others.

So spare me if I'm a little sad to even THINK ABOUT ANOTHER BUSH RUNNING! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? US?

Jeb took down the 'Board of Regents' for the university system and replaced it with the board of governors, appointed. He paved over the landscape and made it unrecognizable.

Must we put ourselves through this again? Or will the voting machines Jeb ushered in do it for us?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. I got through after x-ing the pay box, somehow....
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:38 PM
Dec 2014

This bit was interesting....it's rather a stark indictment.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-jeb-bush-rubio-2016-scott-maxwell-20141216-column.html

As governor, Jeb Bush was pro-guns and anti-unions.

He pushed tax cuts for investors and opposed equal rights for gays.

He expanded school vouchers and hatched "devious plans" to fight voters' calls for smaller class sizes.

Jeb Bush isn't conservative in the libertarian get-government-out-of-your-life kinda way. He's conservative in the I-want-government-to-impose-my-values kinda way.

He embraces the death penalty, opposes choice for women and fought embryonic stem-cell research.

When Terri Schiavo lay in a permanent vegetative state and her husband wanted to honor her wishes to let her die, Jeb tried to force a feeding tube back inside her body — until a court told him it was none of his business.

ut oh

(895 posts)
30. Can't read the full article
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:40 PM
Dec 2014

Click the link and you get a pop up asking to subscribe to premium or whatever... Then dumps you to their main page...

Just FYI to the OP

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
31. True he doesnt talk the tea bonicss,be super jesus crazy or anything at least in public
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:14 AM
Dec 2014

But know him by his deeds not words
Super shitty track record

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