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shraby

(21,946 posts) Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:41 PM Dec 2014

Here's the biggest black mark against jeb bush running for president. PNAC signee.

He supports the Project for a New American Century. A group of neocons who want perpetual war,
starting with Afghanistan, Iraq, and moving right across the middle east. The ones who got us into the wars.

Found it on wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

Signatories to Statement of Principles

Elliott Abrams
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
John Ellis "Jeb" Bush
Dick Cheney
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Norman Podhoretz
J. Danforth Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz

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Here's the biggest black mark against jeb bush running for president. PNAC signee. (Original Post) shraby Dec 2014 OP

Better check it thoroughly I hope it is true. nt kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #1

It's true Kellie. I remembered it from when gw was pres. Double checked and I copy/pasted shraby Dec 2014 #2

I don't think most people have a clue what PNAC is. Many do, however, know who voted for PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #3

Have you read the document? I put a link in the op so you can read about it. shraby Dec 2014 #5

I'm throughly familiar with PNAC I just don't think many people know about it at all. PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #8

Like being a boosh isn't enough? Faux pas Dec 2014 #4

I don't care if he never signed the PNAC declaration and signed another one giving Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #6

I know whatcha mean. I won't even put capitals on their names or on any republicans. shraby Dec 2014 #7

Exactly. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #20

, blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #9

i didn't realize this Enrique Dec 2014 #10

I think PNAC babylonsister Dec 2014 #11

Do you think if jeb became president that it wouldn't be resurrected? People don't abandon their shraby Dec 2014 #13

You're absolutely right; any rethug, babylonsister Dec 2014 #14

PNAC has morphed into the Foreign Policy Initiative. KamaAina Dec 2014 #12

Whoa! That's quite a list of names no viable candidate would want to be No Vested Interest Dec 2014 #15

not only pnac, terri schiavo. . . niyad Dec 2014 #16

And he's a Bush 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #17

No, the biggest black mark against him is how he rigged Florida in 2000. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #18

that will make him a hero to the crazies spanone Dec 2014 #19

A concentrated list of human ghouls. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #21

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)

1. Better check it thoroughly I hope it is true. nt

Reply to shraby (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:43 PM

Dec 2014

shraby

(21,946 posts)

2. It's true Kellie. I remembered it from when gw was pres. Double checked and I copy/pasted

Reply to kelliekat44 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:45 PM

Dec 2014

that list right from the list on Wikipedia.
I read who all signed the document that was on the net at the time.

edited to add.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)

3. I don't think most people have a clue what PNAC is. Many do, however, know who voted for

Reply to shraby (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:45 PM

Dec 2014

the Iraq war.

shraby

(21,946 posts)

5. Have you read the document? I put a link in the op so you can read about it.

Reply to PoliticAverse (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:48 PM

Dec 2014

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)

8. I'm throughly familiar with PNAC I just don't think many people know about it at all.

Reply to shraby (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:56 PM

Dec 2014

I do think actually voting for the Iraq war has counted against some
people running for office and if Bush just says he supported the Iraq
war that would count against him with many independents.

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)

4. Like being a boosh isn't enough?

Reply to shraby (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:47 PM

Dec 2014

I'm hating that we have to play the announcement game for what, another 6-8 months? Then a year and a half of campaigning, tired already....

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

6. I don't care if he never signed the PNAC declaration and signed another one giving

Reply to shraby (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:49 PM

Dec 2014

free puppies and gum drops to every child he's still a Bush.

shraby

(21,946 posts)

7. I know whatcha mean. I won't even put capitals on their names or on any republicans.

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 03:52 PM

Dec 2014

That needs to be earned.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)

20. Exactly.

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:35 PM

Dec 2014

Not only that, but he does the bidding of his dumber brother. Remember 2000 in Florida? I'll never forget that. I'm sick of the Bush family. They all need to go join the neo-Nazis, fade away to obscurity with their paranoia in some walled off compound with their fellow Nazis, and leave the rest of America alone. They have done enough damage.

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)

9. ,

Reply to shraby (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:01 PM

Dec 2014

Enrique

(27,461 posts)

10. i didn't realize this

Reply to shraby (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:19 PM

Dec 2014

this is something that could hurt him in the primaries, if someone brings it up.

babylonsister

(171,070 posts)

11. I think PNAC

Reply to shraby (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:21 PM

Dec 2014

is now defunct, isn't it? No matter; it did it's damage.

Edit to add, from your link:

By the end of 2006, PNAC was "reduced to a voice-mail box and a ghostly website [with a] a single employee … left to wrap things up", according to the BBC News.[26] According to Tom Barry, "The glory days of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) quickly passed."[27] In 2006, Gary Schmitt, former executive director of the PNAC, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and director of its program in Advanced Strategic Studies, stated that PNAC had come to a natural end:

When the project started, it was not intended to go forever. That is why we are shutting it down. We would have had to spend too much time raising money for it and it has already done its job. We felt at the time that there were flaws in American foreign policy, that it was neo-isolationist. We tried to resurrect a Reaganite policy. Our view has been adopted. Even during the Clinton administration we had an effect, with Madeleine Albright [then secretary of state] saying that the United States was 'the indispensable nation'. But our ideas have not necessarily dominated. We did not have anyone sitting on Bush's shoulder. So the work now is to see how they are implemented.[26]

shraby

(21,946 posts)

13. Do you think if jeb became president that it wouldn't be resurrected? People don't abandon their

Reply to babylonsister (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:28 PM

Dec 2014

ideology just because things go sour for a period of time.

babylonsister

(171,070 posts)

14. You're absolutely right; any rethug,

Reply to shraby (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:42 PM

Dec 2014

were they to get elected, would do all kinds of damage.

I'm not voting for him!

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)

12. PNAC has morphed into the Foreign Policy Initiative.

Reply to shraby (Original post)

Thu Dec 18, 2014, 04:23 PM

Dec 2014

It does this from time to time, whenever it starts to get exposed. The Cold War-era incarnation was "Committee on the Present Danger".

http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/about/staff

Board of Directors

Eric Edelman
Robert Kagan
William Kristol
Dan Senor