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Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:27 PM Dec 2014

Is Pension Looting a strategic maneuver to hide poor accounting practices?



Whether it's derivatives or investment in poor stocks every five to seven years Wall Street goes through a purge where our investments generally disappear and only a few walk away winners. Is it possible that this is a necessary unloading to hide the fact that the money is simply not there?
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Is Pension Looting a strategic maneuver to hide poor accounting practices? (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 OP
Not sure, but flat out thievery hifiguy Dec 2014 #1
Longstanding practice...look at the pension mess in Illinois HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #2
when the money is long gone and the theft is about to be discovered Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #3
annnnd...it's gone. Rex Dec 2014 #9
Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is the most likely one... JHB Dec 2014 #4
Absolutely. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #5
If it walk like mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2014 #6
No, it's blatant asset-looting. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #7
One of the virtues of communism is: there are no private assets to loot. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #10
No it is just regular looting of the working class. Same as always imo. Rex Dec 2014 #8
It's pure wage theft. Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #11
There it is TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #12
I Think It's An Excuse RobinA Dec 2014 #13
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
1. Not sure, but flat out thievery
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:47 PM
Dec 2014

is a simpler explanation. And one perfectly in character for those involved. Every last dime in the hands of anyone other than the tenth-percenters is a dime that belongs to THEM in their own minds.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
3. when the money is long gone and the theft is about to be discovered
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 07:00 PM
Dec 2014

this is the kind of thing that is done to cover up/mitigate the fallout

JHB

(37,160 posts)
4. Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is the most likely one...
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 07:04 PM
Dec 2014

In this case:

"Because they can."

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
5. Absolutely.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 07:04 PM
Dec 2014

They're biding their time hoping to regain the money (probably in even riskier vehicles). However, even assuming they succeed in that endeavor they would then just take those gains and reinvest them, thus never recapitalizing the pension funds.

It's becoming a Ponzi scheme except the true owners of the money have no say over whether or not to participate.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
7. No, it's blatant asset-looting.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 03:36 AM
Dec 2014

Capitalists nowadays only care about maximizing next quarter's profits, even if that means cannibalizing the company. Why? Because with capital gains taxes so low being a vulture capitalist is more profitable than actual investment in the real economy.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
10. One of the virtues of communism is: there are no private assets to loot.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 07:08 AM
Dec 2014

Everyone feeds from the same medicine dropper.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
8. No it is just regular looting of the working class. Same as always imo.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 04:28 AM
Dec 2014

The money was never there anyway. Wall Street owners set up the perfect system in the 80s. It is all just numbers in accounts somewhere on hard drives. At least to those that cook books like Enron did. To the actual people they steal from, it is very real and costs lives and livelihood.

The cromnibus bill (OTOH) is what helps them hide poor accounting practices. It lets them write their own policies and pass laws at our expense.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
11. It's pure wage theft.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 07:33 AM
Dec 2014

Pensions are deferred compensation. Essentially, you have stolen years of work from someone when you loot their pension.

The company already got the value of a person's work, and they squeeze out more when they don't honor pensions. The money is always there, it just went to someone else.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
13. I Think It's An Excuse
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 09:49 AM
Dec 2014

not to fund adequately pension plans. "Oops, the pension plan is underfunded. Guess we have to cut benefits." Kinda like if you bought a car, didn't make the payments, so the seller lowered the price of the car you bought. Car buyers would learn pretty fast, would they not? Not that that would ever happen to us peons.

I am a public employee with a union plan that the state hasn't funded per the contract for years. Now they are whining that they have this huge pension fund liability. Funny how that works.

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