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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:05 PM Dec 2014

Is Barack Obama a "Liberal Republican"........Or, Something Else?

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/01/discuss-barack-obama-is-a-liberal-republican/#comments
Discuss: Barack Obama is a Liberal Republican

by Barry Ritholtz - January 3rd, 2013, 7:00pm

I have been having fun mocking friends and family on both sides of the political aisle. GOP colleagues who keep telling me BHO is a Socialist, while Dems think he is the next JFK.

I enjoy disabusing them of their political biases by explaining to them Barack Obama’s actual politics.

Politically, he is a modern day Richard Nixon. I don’t mean the Watergate, thing, I mean his budgets, policies and relations with the two parties.

Sure, he is Pro-Choice, and is also pro Gay Marriage rights. But look at his actual track record:

• He extended Bush TARP;

• Like W, he refused to prosecute banks;

• He made 98% of the Bush cuts permanent;

• When Unions were under attack by various GOP governors, he mostly stayed silent.

• Oh, and he forced GM into prepackaged bankruptcy;

• His healthcare plan was a national version of RomneyCare, created by a conservative GOP ThinkTank;

• He continues to engage in a long distance war that he promised to end

• He was willing to throw Social Security under the bus at a moment’s notice

• His stimulus plan consisted mostly of temporary tax cuts and unemployment benefit extensions, not true Keynesian stimulus (infrastructure, defense, etc.)

• He keeps trying desperately to cut a deal with GOP members


I am not saying any of these things are good or bad — its merely an observation.

But its hard to avoid recognizing that all of these major policies are much more GOP-like than Democrat-like things


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Is Barack Obama a "Liberal Republican"........Or, Something Else? (Original Post) KoKo Dec 2014 OP
Comparing Obama to Nixon is obscene. NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #1
I was at a Nixon campaign event in Dayton OH upaloopa Dec 2014 #4
Obama has claimed the power to execute U.S. citizens without due process. Maedhros Dec 2014 #35
Once Nixon left Vietnam, he did not go back in. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #65
Uhhhh, it was Obama himself who said that in many ways Nixon was more liberal than he (Obama) is LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #67
From this liberal's view, it ain't pretty. polichick Dec 2014 #2
But he's a socialist Muslim commy. ErikJ Dec 2014 #3
The jury has spoken unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #5
Juror #2 brought up an interesting point... blue neen Dec 2014 #17
It's just a context sensitive prepositional phrase. unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #22
Thanks for the explanation. blue neen Dec 2014 #23
No, no comma *after* "which." But "which" is a relative pronoun, so tblue37 Dec 2014 #33
Many thanks. blue neen Dec 2014 #51
"In which" is a prepositional phrase, but the clause thus introduced is a tblue37 Dec 2014 #32
Which Thespian2 Dec 2014 #34
. blue neen Dec 2014 #52
Policy wise he is just a bit to the right of one Richard M. Nixon. hifiguy Dec 2014 #6
He is not to the right of Nixon, dont be silly NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #8
Nixon hated the "Eastern Establishment" with a passion. hifiguy Dec 2014 #12
If they told him to, he would have. If Nixon were president today he would make NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #14
Nixon was a rotten SOB, and there's no way to avoid that hifiguy Dec 2014 #15
Obama knew they were never going to bite, it was a gamble but a good one. NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #16
I voted for Obama in 2008 with more enthusiasm than I had ever brought hifiguy Dec 2014 #18
+1. MAJOR Disappointment when He appointed Geithner and Bernanke. The results are evident... adirondacker Dec 2014 #19
The mask came off with the Geithner and HRC appointments hifiguy Dec 2014 #20
Exactly the way I see it dreamnightwind Dec 2014 #25
On the bright side, the Democratic nominee in 2016 tblue37 Dec 2014 #38
My memory of him, also....n/t KoKo Dec 2014 #31
Personally I'd agree unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #9
* He just normalized relations with Cuba KamaAina Dec 2014 #7
And quite literally something no Democrat in the past 50 years conceived of either unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #11
And Nixon went to China LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #68
Obama is a company man Slim Pickens Dec 2014 #10
Every last word of THIS. hifiguy Dec 2014 #13
Got it in..."1"! truebluegreen Dec 2014 #21
hey, didn't you hear about Cuba? Skittles Dec 2014 #24
well said slim Pharaoh Dec 2014 #30
.... 840high Dec 2014 #46
Welcome to DU... SidDithers Dec 2014 #49
+a million! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #60
"I am not saying any of these things are good or bad"...I will. Not good! RiverLover Dec 2014 #26
This again? BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #27
Your concern is duly noted. n/t Lil Missy Dec 2014 #28
Just anothe corporate stooge Pharaoh Dec 2014 #29
Way to the right of Nixon, slightly to the right of Reagan. He has killed the party by driving Doctor_J Dec 2014 #36
"Slightly to the right of Reagan"!!!... SidDithers Dec 2014 #50
Reagan borrowed to pull the economy out of the hole Doctor_J Dec 2014 #53
He knowingly kills 50+ innocents for every suspected "militant" targeted by drone strikes. Maedhros Dec 2014 #37
Quite a bit of that is a real stretch, e.g. "forced GM into...bankruptcy". cheapdate Dec 2014 #39
He's a center-right corporatist Fiendish Thingy Dec 2014 #40
Ha - reeks of desperation Politicub Dec 2014 #41
Barry Ritholtz made his money in a Wall Street investment bank. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2014 #43
As "desperate" as the ones falling all over themselves to high five it. Number23 Dec 2014 #59
Pretty close to Bill Clinton who was the best republican pres since Teddy R. project_bluebook Dec 2014 #42
This reminds me of the Republicans calling John McCain a Liberal. herding cats Dec 2014 #44
There is nothing liberal about him. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #45
... SidDithers Dec 2014 #47
complete nonsense. DCBob Dec 2014 #48
Ironical...considering liberal Republicans are the fore fathers of Rex Dec 2014 #54
Not to mention that liberal Republicans were the original "progressives" (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #55
They were, though liberal republicans were not around long Rex Dec 2014 #56
In an alternate world where the GOP didn't have a Southern Strategy Recursion Dec 2014 #57
Tax cuts and unemployment benefits are true keynesian stimulus. mathematic Dec 2014 #58
It's plain old corporatism Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #61
It is good to know cooler heads prevail who does not think trashing many of our good hard working Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #62
I've thought about this a lot walkingman Dec 2014 #63
He's a fiscally conservative Republican with a few socially liberal views. Scuba Dec 2014 #64
+1 nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #66

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
1. Comparing Obama to Nixon is obscene.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:08 PM
Dec 2014

I suggest you watch the HBO special about what kind of person Nixon was.

You can make comparisons to all presidents with all presidents of the past 50 years, did you know that?

But the person Nixon was, so vile, so destructive and so hateful of democracy

ugh

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
4. I was at a Nixon campaign event in Dayton OH
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:17 PM
Dec 2014

I hated him but wanted to get a look at him. He asked the crowd how many were under 21 and to raise your hand. I raised my hand not knowing why he asked the question. Then he said, see how many young people we have on our side.
Man was I pissed. I got Dicked by Dick Nixon.
Our slogan was dick Nixon before he dicks you.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
35. Obama has claimed the power to execute U.S. citizens without due process.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:44 PM
Dec 2014

That is an unprecedented level of anti-democratic, unconstitutional evil. If one will accept granting the President such power, then what Presidential behavior can one conceivable object to while maintaining a straight face?



 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
3. But he's a socialist Muslim commy.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:15 PM
Dec 2014

Which is why he has been so chummy with the big banks which are the biggest capitalists on earth (100% opposite of communism) Low-info Cons are such IDIOTS.

5. The jury has spoken
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:18 PM
Dec 2014
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blue neen

(12,322 posts)
17. Juror #2 brought up an interesting point...
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:46 PM
Dec 2014

with the sentence "In which the alerting member shows the substandard reading comprehension that is so typical of this site."

Can a sentence actually be started with the phrase "In which"? It seems more like "in which" is functioning as a conjunction-type thing here, and a comma would have been more appropriate punctuation.
I'm not sure, though.

Any English majors here?

22. It's just a context sensitive prepositional phrase.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:39 PM
Dec 2014

There is also the possibility that Doug might awake to find his bathrobe has caught fire. In that case, he should jump in the shower immediately.

blue neen

(12,322 posts)
23. Thanks for the explanation.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:01 PM
Dec 2014

So, it would be punctuated with a comma after "In which"?

Whew! Who knew DU would be such a minefield for grammar and punctuation. My gosh, God help dyslexic liberals, huh?

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
33. No, no comma *after* "which." But "which" is a relative pronoun, so
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:41 PM
Dec 2014

it is a subordinator. That means that any clause governed by "which" is a dependent clause, not an independent clause, and therefore not a complete sentence.

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
32. "In which" is a prepositional phrase, but the clause thus introduced is a
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:40 PM
Dec 2014

sentence fragment. To be technically "correct," it should have been attached (as a modifier) to the preceding sentence, but it is sometimes quite effective to use a sentence fragment for emphasis, which is what I believe the juror is doing there.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
6. Policy wise he is just a bit to the right of one Richard M. Nixon.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:19 PM
Dec 2014

Nixon was never an ideologue, he was a center-right opportunist, politically speaking. I remember all of the Nixon presidency quite vividly.

ETA - he is a center-right politician who leans left when there's nothing huge at stake just as Nixon was a center-right pol who leaned right when there was nothing big at stake. But that Obama is at heart what, in the 1970s, we called a "liberal" or "Rockefeller" Republican is not in doubt. OR maybe a bit more conservative than that, in terms of economic policy. He has certainly bent over backwards to protect the banksters.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
8. He is not to the right of Nixon, dont be silly
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:24 PM
Dec 2014

And what you have to do to be honest is predict what Nixon's positions would be if he were president NOW

changes everything

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
12. Nixon hated the "Eastern Establishment" with a passion.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:28 PM
Dec 2014

I doubt if he would have given each and every last one of the bank$ter$ the free pass they got from Obama.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
14. If they told him to, he would have. If Nixon were president today he would make
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:32 PM
Dec 2014

Cruz and Paul and the rest look like girl scouts.

The people he would hate and target, the poor voting for his opponent, hell he would try and kill every person receiving assistance.

He was a psychopathic bastard, comparing Obama to him is a disgrace.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. Nixon was a rotten SOB, and there's no way to avoid that
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:39 PM
Dec 2014

judgment of history. I hated Nixon's guts and still do. It has to be remembered that Nixon's issues were always personal ones. All about trying to get the people he thought had kept him down. It never would have crossed his mind, say what you will about him, to try to dismantle the New Deal or cut Social Security, something Obama has at least tacitly put on the table.

But I am talking SOLELY about policy, not personalities.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
16. Obama knew they were never going to bite, it was a gamble but a good one.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:40 PM
Dec 2014

If Obama signs a deal that reduces our social security in anyway, i will join your anti Obama bandwagon

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
18. I voted for Obama in 2008 with more enthusiasm than I had ever brought
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:46 PM
Dec 2014

to a presidential election, and my first vote was for Jimmy Carter in 1976. I voted for him again with some disappointment in 2012 because the alternative was unspeakable.

Giving a free pass first to the banksters and now to the torturers has exhausted whatever goodwill I once had for the man.

And then there is this, which is revolting and inexcusable. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025977947

He could have chosen to say nothing about the most evil family in US history but he did not. He EMBRACED them.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
20. The mask came off with the Geithner and HRC appointments
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:11 PM
Dec 2014

He didn't even bother waiting until after the inauguration to let us know we had been suckered.

tblue37

(65,409 posts)
38. On the bright side, the Democratic nominee in 2016
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:48 PM
Dec 2014

can use that clip to torpedo Jeb Bush's chances of winning any teabagger votes.

9. Personally I'd agree
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:24 PM
Dec 2014

It's dangerous to collapse these sorts of questions onto a single left-right dimension, but I think you can easily make the case that politically Obama is to the right of even Reagan.

Slim Pickens

(3 posts)
10. Obama is a company man
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 08:26 PM
Dec 2014

Oh sure he's smart. He's always playing "three-dimensional chess," hadn't you heard? He's just thinking so many steps ahead of the rest of us ordinary mortals that we can't possibly comprehend it.

I mean, when he gives trillions to the banksters & protects their bonuses, and makes sure none of them get indicted for racketeering, ordinary mortals MIGHT get the impression that he was just a stooge of the banksters. But No! Actually, it just shows what a "deep" thinker he is. He's just making everyone THINK he's a stooge of the banksters, to lull them into overconfidence! Then he can more easily carry out his secret socialist agenda, donchaknow.

It's worth posing the question: if the CEO of Goldman Sachs had been appointed US president in November 2008, how would his policies have differed from Obama's? Or if Obama himself pledged to simply carry out instructions from the Business Round Table, how would things be different? It would be hard to think of a single thing that would be different.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
26. "I am not saying any of these things are good or bad"...I will. Not good!
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:16 PM
Dec 2014

And Barry left out the innocents killed by drones & massive NSA spying on American citizens.

But I do agree with this~

all of these major policies are much more GOP-like than Democrat-like things.


Yes! And that is the problem.

If you run as a Democrat, be a Democrat.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
36. Way to the right of Nixon, slightly to the right of Reagan. He has killed the party by driving
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:44 PM
Dec 2014

millions of hopeful young people to complete disillusionment. The author left off his school corporatization initiatives, Race To The Bottom, TPP.

A major disappointment. However,

1. He had plenty of help from Pelosi and Reid
2. It was probably a done deal anyway

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
50. "Slightly to the right of Reagan"!!!...
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:43 PM
Dec 2014

Holy fucking shit.

There's not enough facepalm in the world for that ridiculous statement.



Sid

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
53. Reagan borrowed to pull the economy out of the hole
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:50 PM
Dec 2014

Obama has embraced austerity. Reagan wouldn't have touched social security. Obama has put it on the table more than once. Their treatment of trade unions is close, though the president can really just ignore them since they're almost dead anyway. The president is also assisting the dismantling of public schools in favor of corporate "charter schools", something that Slick Ronnie never tried. I mean, read the author's list and add in TPP and Arne Duncan and drone strikes. There's plenty of faceplam.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
37. He knowingly kills 50+ innocents for every suspected "militant" targeted by drone strikes.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:45 PM
Dec 2014

And still manages to sleep at night.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,625 posts)
40. He's a center-right corporatist
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:51 PM
Dec 2014

I can appreciate his qualified successes, while lamenting his inexcusable wrongs- I don't see things in black and white, but in shades of gray.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
41. Ha - reeks of desperation
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:51 PM
Dec 2014

I don't know who Barry Ritholtz is, but his agenda is clearly on view.

It's more click bait than anything else.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
44. This reminds me of the Republicans calling John McCain a Liberal.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:12 PM
Dec 2014

In Arizona the state GOP went so far as to censure him for his liberalness.

The Arizona Republican Party formally censured Sen. John McCain late Saturday, citing a voting record they say is insufficiently conservative.

The resolution to censure McCain was approved by a voice-vote during a meeting of state committee members in Tempe, state party spokesman Tim Sifert said. It needed signatures from at least 20 percent of state committee members to reach the floor for debate.
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/26/22457090-arizona-gop-censures-john-mccain-for-liberal-voting-record?lite


I don't know if it's a symptom of modern politics, of if things have always been this partisan and insane, but at least it's consistent.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
45. There is nothing liberal about him.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:19 PM
Dec 2014

Everything he has done, he had done only for the 1%. He has bent over backwards to please the Republicans since day one. He basically told the left we were retarded and needed to STFU the minute he won the presidency. Honestly, I'm surprised it's against the rules on a Democratic site to point this stuff out, because it is the truth.

If his wife and kids had not dragged him kicking and screaming, he would not have finally relented on gay rights either. I remember "God is in the mix" was all we heard for ages before that.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
54. Ironical...considering liberal Republicans are the fore fathers of
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:57 PM
Dec 2014

the Democratic party. History if funny like that.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
56. They were, though liberal republicans were not around long
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:07 AM
Dec 2014

I think it was during Andrew Jackson's corrupt time in office, but would have to go looking to be sure.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
57. In an alternate world where the GOP didn't have a Southern Strategy
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:08 AM
Dec 2014

and the GOP still had a liberal wing and hadn't run out the Chafees and Rockefellers, I suppose I could imagine a scenario where Obama would have been a liberal Republican, particularly if he had stayed in Boston. I might also say that this imaginary alternate world is one that Boomers have been stuck in for several decades now (witness the atavistic screeching whenever Nixon is brought up).

That said, we do not live in such a world. We live in a world in which Obama is a lifelong Democrat, and his strongest support among Democrats comes from liberal Democrats, and his weakest support among Democrats comes from conservative Democrats, and his support among Republicans is essentially nil.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
58. Tax cuts and unemployment benefits are true keynesian stimulus.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:12 AM
Dec 2014

Anybody that says otherwise is an idiot that learned economics from other idiots, likely over the internet. Frankly, I doubt there is anything more effective than unemployment benefits from a keynesian perspective.

That should tell you the general quality of the analysis in the OP. It's junk.

Overall, Obama is like a better version of JFK. But that's a bad thing on "democratic"underground because, hey, democrats should hate capitalism, maaaan.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
61. It's plain old corporatism
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:16 AM
Dec 2014

Barack Obama, like his predecessors, is a servant of the corporate oligarchy.

The goal of the corporate oligarchy is to consolidate more power and money into fewer and fewer hands and Obama has performed for them magnificently.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
62. It is good to know cooler heads prevail who does not think trashing many of our good hard working
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:29 AM
Dec 2014

Democrats is best for our party, we leave this to Republicans.

walkingman

(7,630 posts)
63. I've thought about this a lot
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:52 AM
Dec 2014

and I think that Obama is a Democrat but just not as progressive as I am. He seems to be doing a pretty good job and if you look at his accomplishments, quite impressive. I admittedly was hoping for a much more progressive type of leader but that was probably just a "dream". I have always been pretty much a yellow-dog democrat but these days it is another age from what we had during the 60's.

I would never classify Obama a Republican of any sort.

Peace

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