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In 10 years who will effectively control Cuba? (Original Post) moondust Dec 2014 OP
United Fruit nt PCIntern Dec 2014 #1
Tip of the hat to Phil Ochs HERVEPA Dec 2014 #13
Goldman Sachs n/t earthside Dec 2014 #2
+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #37
Someone named Walton, I suspect. n/t Whiskeytide Dec 2014 #3
or Ronald CatWoman Dec 2014 #4
The Banksters. hifiguy Dec 2014 #5
Sheldon Adelson? Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #6
the repressive castro dictatorship so beloved by "socialist progressives" will die with the msongs Dec 2014 #7
Or a sociopathic killer like Dubya, in the Land of the Free. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #10
I'm betting it will another corrupt, corporate stooge like Batista dflprincess Dec 2014 #22
Gosh, were you this energized by the rectal feeding torture revelations? Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #33
+1000000 Jamastiene Dec 2014 #54
Obama (nt) bigwillq Dec 2014 #8
Kochs and Waltons. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #9
And Adelson Doctor_J Dec 2014 #19
Heh. As someone whose city has benefitted by having a Sands Casino and Event Center, I can't gripe WinkyDink Dec 2014 #51
The Che T-shirt sweatshops that are currently in Bangladesh will move there Recursion Dec 2014 #11
Disney sarisataka Dec 2014 #12
it'll be another offshore haven Skittles Dec 2014 #14
They're running out of sand to bury their cash in the Bahamas! adirondacker Dec 2014 #29
The Batista Republican are all set to descend on Cuba when it opens up. CK_John Dec 2014 #15
Citi BillZBubb Dec 2014 #16
Andrea Greenspan Mitchell reported tonight IDemo Dec 2014 #17
Not who but what Jim Warren Dec 2014 #18
He was an old school dictator hack89 Dec 2014 #44
4. The main reason for this new initiative was to hand it over to the Kochs and Waltons Doctor_J Dec 2014 #20
In 5 years it will be this guy, Raul's chosen successor is already known flamingdem Dec 2014 #21
Good article about Cuba being "ruined" KinMd Dec 2014 #23
Nah, that's BS. People who visit Cuba recognize that there's a social fabric there and social ways flamingdem Dec 2014 #28
Gracias for that.. Miguel Diaz-Canal Cha Dec 2014 #24
Let's hope he can go further than Raul who lives under the shadow of Big Bro Fidel flamingdem Dec 2014 #25
It will be de modo muy interesante! Muchas Gracias for all the backstory, flamingdem~ Cha Dec 2014 #31
The Cuban people are eager for a new revolution. joshcryer Dec 2014 #42
Resort and gaming interests. lpbk2713 Dec 2014 #26
Climate change jberryhill Dec 2014 #27
The Prescott Group? Initech Dec 2014 #30
5. Other. (probably) The Mob Volaris Dec 2014 #32
The Cuban people--the people who control it presently. Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #34
A half century of open and free elections don't lie, eh? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #39
Every 5 years, in fact: Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #45
So long as all the candidates are Party approved. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #46
Political parties in Cuba: Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #47
And the wiki article on the Securities and Exchange Commission says the SEC guards against Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #49
Yawn. Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #50
Rubio! oldandhappy Dec 2014 #35
By God's grace, I hope it will be the New York Mets Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #36
I guess it will still be a communist dictatorship, but I wouldn't swear to it. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #38
Trade is one facet but once established the absence of trade can be far more devastating & thereby Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #41
Eliecer Avila joshcryer Dec 2014 #40
international investors - primarily American, Canadian, Spanish and Chinese Douglas Carpenter Dec 2014 #43
The Cuban people - which is why reestablishing diplomatic relations and ending the trade embargo pampango Dec 2014 #48
Corporations and BFEE Jamastiene Dec 2014 #52
Frackers. JaneyVee Dec 2014 #53
Perhaps the trade embargo is a good liberal policy after all? Who would have thunk it? pampango Dec 2014 #55
Elian Gonzalez ... obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2014 #56
The Global Oligarchs, just like us librechik Dec 2014 #57
4. Corporations. closeupready Dec 2014 #58

msongs

(67,420 posts)
7. the repressive castro dictatorship so beloved by "socialist progressives" will die with the
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:39 PM
Dec 2014

castros. after cubans have some freedoms they are currently denied, who knows what kind of group will control the island.

hopefully it will not be a sociopathic killer like Che.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
22. I'm betting it will another corrupt, corporate stooge like Batista
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:12 AM
Dec 2014

Hopefully, s/he will not be able to roll back the education and healthcare systems established over the last 50 years. --- Things the Cuban people did not have the last time capitalism ruled the island.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
33. Gosh, were you this energized by the rectal feeding torture revelations?
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:45 AM
Dec 2014

I wonder what country was doing that?

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
51. Heh. As someone whose city has benefitted by having a Sands Casino and Event Center, I can't gripe
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 08:28 AM
Dec 2014

too much.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. The Che T-shirt sweatshops that are currently in Bangladesh will move there
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:02 PM
Dec 2014

And continue to sell them at a profit to bourgeois teenagers.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
15. The Batista Republican are all set to descend on Cuba when it opens up.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:32 PM
Dec 2014

They are under the impression they can walk in and reclaim their land. They will cause all sorts of problems and be amazed at the progress but their spite will eventually let them regain control.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
17. Andrea Greenspan Mitchell reported tonight
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:55 PM
Dec 2014

and for graphical impact, up popped on the screen multiple corporate logos of those who were all eager to get things rolling.

Short answer, number 4.

Jim Warren

(2,736 posts)
18. Not who but what
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:55 PM
Dec 2014

Say what one might about Fidel but at least he was able to hold off for several decades the inevitable and sickening sweep of toxic pathology the "modern" world represents.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
20. 4. The main reason for this new initiative was to hand it over to the Kochs and Waltons
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:00 AM
Dec 2014

If they weren't going to make big bucks off this, it wouldn't have happened.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
21. In 5 years it will be this guy, Raul's chosen successor is already known
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 12:05 AM
Dec 2014



In 20 years it will be someone a bit more liberal than Diaz Canal. But not that much. Cubans don't like rapid change from what I've seen and they don't want to lose aspects of what they have.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
28. Nah, that's BS. People who visit Cuba recognize that there's a social fabric there and social ways
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:24 AM
Dec 2014

that are unique and very admirable.

It's not about them being poor, it's more about the admiration one feels with how much they've done and how generous they are with little, as in, they have a lot.

This kind of article is meant to be sarcastic about foreigners who have a surprising and meaningful experience in Cuba. A human experience.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
24. Gracias for that.. Miguel Diaz-Canal
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:06 AM
Dec 2014

Age: 52.

Appearance: Headmaster on inspection day.

Full name: Miguel Mario Diaz-Canel Bermudez.

Occupation: The next president of Cuba.

Never heard of him. When was he elected? He wasn't. Raul Castro was.

So Raul Castro is the next Cuban president. He was already president, and on his re-election he announced that his second term would be his last.

And then, presumably, they will hold another election. In Cuba the president is elected by the National Assembly, and Castro has tipped Diaz-Canel as his successor.

What's his job now? He's just been appointed to the number-two spot – first vice-president of the Council of State.

MOre..
http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/feb/25/miguel-diaz-canel-next-president-cuba

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
25. Let's hope he can go further than Raul who lives under the shadow of Big Bro Fidel
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:21 AM
Dec 2014

I buy into some of their need to control the electoral process. A small part anyway. That's because when Nicaragua had open elections after the Sandinistas won - the US completely subverted the process with money to their candidates.

What freaked me out watching Cuban TV and how the heads of the party are elected is how old they are - 80s is common - soldiers who fought with Fidel - and how they'd all get the same amount of votes 650 652 653 .. so it looked ridiculous! But they have their own history, their own ways.

In LOTS of ways I felt freer in Cuba than anywhere, things are far from being controlled or repressive, it's more like a free for all!

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
42. The Cuban people are eager for a new revolution.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 07:37 AM
Dec 2014

A fifth international, if you were, they'd be more likely to go for someone new and exciting like Eliecer Avila.

The old guard will be quickly swept away.

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
26. Resort and gaming interests.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 01:22 AM
Dec 2014



Trump is probably foaming at the mouth right about now thinking about the potential.


Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
47. Political parties in Cuba:
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 07:50 AM
Dec 2014
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_Cuba

"This article lists political parties in Cuba. No party is permitted to campaign or endorse candidates for election, including the Communist Party. Candidates are elected on an individual referendum basis without formal party involvement, though elected assemblies predominantly consist of members of the dominant party alongside non-affiliated candidates.[1]"

There are several listed there. I'm sure you can research any other pressing concerns you may have.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
49. And the wiki article on the Securities and Exchange Commission says the SEC guards against
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 08:11 AM
Dec 2014

improper and reckless trading practices.

Opposition and dissent is suppressed by government force in Cuba, so stop the silly propaganda game.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
38. I guess it will still be a communist dictatorship, but I wouldn't swear to it.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 06:19 AM
Dec 2014

Trade with the USA has not done wonders for human rights in e.g. Saudi Arabia.

But sometimes dictatorships do fall, so here's hoping...

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
41. Trade is one facet but once established the absence of trade can be far more devastating & thereby
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 07:37 AM
Dec 2014

far more motivating, i.e. South Africa. The problem with Saudi Arabia is we've needed them too much and they have a commodity that will easily find other markets.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
48. The Cuban people - which is why reestablishing diplomatic relations and ending the trade embargo
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 07:50 AM
Dec 2014

are what liberals have supported for decades. Of course, ending the trade embargo still has to get through a republican congress so don't hold your breath.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
55. Perhaps the trade embargo is a good liberal policy after all? Who would have thunk it?
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:57 AM
Dec 2014

A lot of folks seem to think that the lives of Cubans will be getting much worse.

There is hope. Since lifting the trade embargo requires congressional action and congress is controlled by republicans, perhaps this 'liberal' policy will not be changed.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
57. The Global Oligarchs, just like us
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 11:44 AM
Dec 2014

just like now and going back many years

Their problem is we are starting to figure it out. Our problem is there's nothing we can do about it.

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