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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 04:37 AM Dec 2014

Oldest olive oil found, dating back 8000 years ago in Palestinian village in Galilee

Gary Yarus's insight:
The popular narrative about continued Hebrew / Jewish presence in the ancient land of Palestine that it dates back almost four thousand years, and almost as to suggest that nothing, and no other people before ever existed.Israeli archaeologists have for many years been trying to prove such theory. But even when we accept such Zionist motivated narrative, it’s interesting how a recent discovery, published in Israel Journal of Plant Sciences, of the oldest olive oil dating back to 8,000 years, in a Palestinian village in the Galilee, didn’t make much headlines,

Indeed Haaretz published this article without the usual fanfare about more archaeological site proving Hebrew connection to the land, as this may suggest to readers that perhaps other people did exist prior to the Zionist claim.

Indeed this discovery is significant not only that it dates 4,000 years prior to any claimed Hebrew connection to Palestine; but also that “olive oil existed and was being produced 8,000 years ago (and) it shows that 8,000 years ago, the civilization of the Levant had reached the second stage of domesticating plant life. The first stage was the domestication of lentils and grain, which began about 10,000 years ago. Trees such as the olive were the second stage.”
(Sepphoris, also known as Tzipori, Diocaesaraea, and Saffuriya is a village and an archeological site located in the central Galilee region, 6 kilometers north-northwest of Nazareth.)

http://www.scoop.it/t/state-of-israel

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Oldest olive oil found, dating back 8000 years ago in Palestinian village in Galilee (Original Post) ellenrr Dec 2014 OP
So what you are saying TexasTowelie Dec 2014 #1
She always did look like something Popeye dug up. randome Dec 2014 #3
Thanks for this malaise Dec 2014 #2
Interesting, but doesn't make a case for me re Hebrews. There were people in the area, whatever Shrike47 Dec 2014 #4
This is incredibly cool. Feral Child Dec 2014 #5
Olive oil was the original soap.... hadrons Dec 2014 #8
Interesting. Feral Child Dec 2014 #13
But, but,but, the earth is only 6,000 years old! OffWithTheirHeads Dec 2014 #6
Alas, the olive oil has been ruined Derek V Dec 2014 #7
I was just prescribed 6 oz of olive oil a day madville Dec 2014 #9
Think of the birthday cake Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #10
Yet thousands of years would pass before it was first described as "harmonious" and "woody". n/t Silent3 Dec 2014 #11
The author is a liar. Mosby Dec 2014 #12
Perhaps "misinformed" Feral Child Dec 2014 #14
Always a tough call. Igel Dec 2014 #15
Yeah, I was just mildly irritated Feral Child Dec 2014 #18
i think I can infer intent Mosby Dec 2014 #20
Kind of silly, really - people should read Genesis past the Creation account - hedgehog Dec 2014 #16
When will the settlers or the IDF tear it down? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #17
let's see,,, in 2 hours? ellenrr Dec 2014 #19
Great post... PCIntern Dec 2014 #21
Here is the real article Mosby Dec 2014 #22
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. She always did look like something Popeye dug up.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 07:25 AM
Dec 2014

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Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
4. Interesting, but doesn't make a case for me re Hebrews. There were people in the area, whatever
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 07:29 AM
Dec 2014

you call them or they develop in to.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
5. This is incredibly cool.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 08:07 AM
Dec 2014

It's a shame this story needs to be politicized, but political/religious/racial strife is a constant.



Raw olives, as I understand it, are bitter and inedible. The leap from tasting/spitting out to crushing-for-oil took a great deal of imagination.

Vegetable oil made for vast improvements in the quality of life for early humans, providing everything from lighting-the-darkness to skin-care, as well as making food much more palatable and varied.

This is an extremely important archeological find.

hadrons

(4,170 posts)
8. Olive oil was the original soap....
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:46 AM
Dec 2014

soap didn't exist in anicent times, but people wanted to be clean, so they would process the olives to extract the oil which would be massaged on their bodies and then the oil would be scraped off their bodies (with a piece of metal) along with the dirt.

It was during this process that they discovered that olives could be made edible.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
13. Interesting.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:15 PM
Dec 2014

I knew about scraping, but hadn't really considered the implications. i always just considered it as exfoliation, but using oil as a lubricant for actual cleansing makes perfect sense.

Thanks.

madville

(7,412 posts)
9. I was just prescribed 6 oz of olive oil a day
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:19 AM
Dec 2014

My Dr. says the LDL cholesterol is a little high, told me to drink 6oz of olive oil everyday. I've been cheating a bit and adding it to all my food and actually doing a couple of shots a day. That along with a low-carb diet.

It's kind of pricey, but not too bad since I've been hitting the BOGO free deals at the grocery stores and stocking up, about $40 a month that way.

It definitely, um, lubricates the system as well and supposedly helps flush out the gall bladder or something.

Mosby

(16,354 posts)
12. The author is a liar.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:32 PM
Dec 2014
The popular narrative about continued Hebrew / Jewish presence in the ancient land of Palestine that it dates back almost four thousand years, and almost as to suggest that nothing, and no other people before ever existed.Israeli archaeologists have for many years been trying to prove such theory


Just last week in the news:

Humans may first have learned to harness fire in Israel 350,000 years ago

Israeli researchers help pinpoint habitual, intentional use of heat in ancient Levant after uncovering material from cave near Haifa

http://www.timesofisrael.com/humans-learned-to-harness-fire-in-israel-350000-years-ago-new-study-says/




Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
14. Perhaps "misinformed"
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:20 PM
Dec 2014

"Liar" suggest an intent to deceive, I don't think you can justifiably infer intent.

Igel

(35,356 posts)
15. Always a tough call.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:42 PM
Dec 2014

Do you assume stupidity and ignorance or malice and ill-will?

I agree with you. When in doubt, go with Hanlon's razor: Don't ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.

However, the principle of parsimony also has to come into play, aka Occam's razor: Don't assume two factors for an explanation when one will do. Often claims that appear to be rooted in ignorance are rooted in an ignorance deeply rooted in malice-based confirmation bias.

(So I'll propose Igel's axiom: The fact that malice can make you stupid doesn't mean malice is the same thing as stupidity.)

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
18. Yeah, I was just mildly irritated
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 02:04 PM
Dec 2014

at being distracted from the archaeological significance. I realize this is a political discussion forum, but I get tired of people with an agenda being duplicitous. If you're going to call someone a liar, you should just go ahead and explain your own position.Deceit by omission isn't that much different from lying.

I hadn't actually noticed the quasi-political comment at the end of the quote in the OP. Being so close to Africa, I just assume people would have lingered enroute from the place of human origin on their way to wherever.

Mosby

(16,354 posts)
20. i think I can infer intent
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:29 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Archeology is probably the single largest scientific endeavor in Israel, they have 5 universities that offer PhD programs in archeology, that's in a country of 8 million.

In addition many top US universities have field schools in Israel like cornell, UC Berkley, Columbia and others.

All of these researchers, israelis, foreign professors and students practice their discipline with integrity, there is simply no movement or whatever to prove the area was empty before Jews showed up. Further, the Jews have lived in the Levant for close to 4000 years continuously, that doesn't need proving.

So the Yarus person is either stupid or just taking cheap political shots at israelis and zionists when he claims that these professionals only care about some zionist narrative he basically made up, that's why he's a lying piece of shit.


eta here is the REAL article:

Olive oil traces dating back 8,000 years found in Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/olive-oil-dating-back-8000-years-found-in-north/


hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
16. Kind of silly, really - people should read Genesis past the Creation account -
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:55 PM
Dec 2014

Genesis 12:1-6


The LORD said to Abram: Go forth from your land, your relatives, and from your father’s house to a land that I will show you. I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing.I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. All the families of the earth will find blessing in you.*

Abram went as the LORD directed him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he left Haran. Abram took his wife Sarai, his brother’s son Lot, all the possessions that they had accumulated, and the persons they had acquired in Haran, and they set out for the land of Canaan. When they came to the land of Canaan, Abram passed through the land as far as the sacred place at Shechem, by the oak of Moreh. The Canaanites were then in the land.


Call this account legend or nonsense, but it is clear that Abram (Abraham) left Haran to go to Canaan, where the Canaanites were living.

Mosby

(16,354 posts)
22. Here is the real article
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:49 PM
Dec 2014

The OP is nothing but dishonest propaganda by some guy trying to score anti-zionist brownie points.

Olive oil traces dating back 8,000 years found in Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/olive-oil-dating-back-8000-years-found-in-north/


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