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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMaybe forking over shitloads of cyber intel to China wasn't such a good idea.
Ya think?
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)He often seemed to prioritize stirring shit over accomplishing the specific humanistic goals he claimed to represent.
Finding sanctuary with the likes of Vladimir Putin certainly doesn't help the ultimate resolution of his role in history.
Some of what he did helped freedom, some of it was totally fucked up and exhibited the kind of depraved pragmatism he claimed to be fighting against.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)do not help the cause of freedom. They do help us lose elections however. See November 4, 2014.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)"Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-asylum-statement-human-rights-groups-un-venezuela-russia-moscow-airport-2013-7#ixzz3MUURYyuz
Putin and his "principles".. Did I mention he's full of shite.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)Plus of course he was in favor of putting whistleblowers in jail during the Bush era.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Doesn't it? I rather doubt that China is particularly interested in my, or your, private info.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)For example, China doesn't need a warrant to collect Verizon business client metadata.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)China is very inventive. The probably came up with bosses before we did.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Cybercrime is what the NSA is primarily concerned with these days and the Sony hack kind of puts that into perspective.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Of course, the NSA would never, ever, do anything illegal. Just like the CIA would never, ever, do anything illegal. Being "patriots" and all.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Coincidence?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/nsa-report-on-privacy-violations-in-the-first-quarter-of-2012/395/
There's more in my journal if you're curious.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)whistle-blowers.
Just like on the playground. Some choose to side with the big bully. They think they will be safe. They think the big bully will protect them.
I would say that you don't have any respect for our Constitution but choose the perceived safety of the Security State. And if we point out to you that it is the same Security State that was in place when George Bush was president, you don't care. They make you feel safe.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Well, the whole thing is wrong, but the relevant point is that it's not the same security state. It's the same apparatus but the laws have changed and these agencies are now held to them. The two you mention received little if any scrutiny during Bush/Cheney I and their lawlessness was legend. The Obama admin on the other hand has consistently run the govt according to the law, many of them newly passed in 2009. The point of the Snowald Benghazi was to make us think nothing has changed but only a sucker would fall for that ruse. Never fooled me for a minute.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)newly passed in 2009." Really? What laws? How did they get passed? and who specifically is enforcing them? Funny that Sen Wyden and Sen Udall don't agree with you. It looks to me like there has been zero oversight in the Bush Admin and nothing changed under Obama. Looks like you are buying what the Security State and Corp-Media is selling.
I am thinking that for you rationalization is the key to happiness.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts). . . .
The House intelligence committee included a provision in an authorization bill last month that recommended the creation of such a position. The committee chairman, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Tex.), said Thursday he was encouraged that "NSA leadership takes compliance with surveillance authorities seriously and that they recognize the important balance between effective intelligence collection systems and legal protections for American citizens."
The NSA, which focuses on foreign intelligence gathering, was at the center of the controversy surrounding the Bush administration's use of warrantless wiretapping. The program was disclosed in December 2005 and replaced in January 2007 with a new effort overseen by a secret court.
A recent multi-agency report by five inspectors general said "extraordinary and inappropriate" secrecy about the warrantless wiretapping program undermined its effectiveness as a tool to fight terrorism.
DeLong has worked extensively in the technology and policy areas at the agency. He also served a stint at the Department of Homeland Security. His new job will include monitoring compliance with rules governing the protection of military and other computer systems.
DeLong will assist the inspector general and the general counsel in matters of "potential non-compliance" involving mission operations, spokeswoman Judi Emmel said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/23/AR2009072303610.html
Some of us were paying attention
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)them. But why should I try to burst your comfortable denial bubble.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)Just sit back and let everyone else spy on us.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)they promised to keep us safe. All we have to do is give up our Constitutional rights. But it's worth it for their promise of security. And who wouldn't trust completely someone like Gen Clapper.
Our founders are crying.
treestar
(82,383 posts)No we don't have to give up our rights. And yes the NSA does some good. Not every single thing it does its wrong. And all agencies have mistakes. And Eddie is still full of it. He protected no one's freedom. He just gave our security information out willy nilly.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)in China or any of the other countries the NSA spies on.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)tell yourself, go ahead.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Really? How impractical and idealistic is that?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)else that dares speak out against their authoritarian leaders, OP's.
QC
(26,371 posts)Ya think?
Cha
(297,655 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)get's all Locozolo on us.
Cha
(297,655 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Speculation is that NK had help from China or that China is mainly responsible. Remember Obama's summit with Xi in Palm Springs in June 2013? Well, the top agenda item was cybersecurity, but thanks to Agent Ed, whose data delivery to China hit the front pages the same weekend, they didn't go so well.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014502822
Cha
(297,655 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I remember EarlG had a good pic-of-the-moment on the day of the summit:
Pretty dismal moment but it's still a funny pic
Cha
(297,655 posts)not so much NSA. Are you looking at this NSA?!
I bet that went over big time on DU. lol
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)But as mentioned, it's directed at Snowden so by all means, throw basic intelligence to the wind.
riqster
(13,986 posts)m.
Johnny Burnette's son. Fun song.
Cha
(297,655 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:58am EST:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/19/us-sony-cybersecurity-usa-china-idUSKBN0JX1U420141219
Now you know!
Cha
(297,655 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)machine is a bigger danger than a whistle-blower. But you like the big bully and hate the little guy.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Contra Bush-Cheney:
Section 424 establishes that the directors of the National Security Agency (NSA) and National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) are to be presidentially-appointed and Senate-confirmed. Under present law and practice, the directors of the NSA and NRO, each with a distinct and significant role in the national intelligence mission, are not confirmed by the Senate in relation to their leadership of these agencies. Presently, the President appoints the Director of NSA and the Secretary of Defense appoints the Director of the NRO. Under current law, neither of these appointments must be confirmed by the Senate unless a military officer is promoted or transferred into the position.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&dbname=cp111&sid=cp111iyAS6&refer=&r_n=hr186.111&item=&sel=TOC_282410&
Amazing what you learn on DU eh?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Gen Clapper is a danger to democracy even if confirmed by the Senate. But some here find comfort in siding with the biggest bullies. If they were around at our countries beginning, they would side with the British. These people are easily swayed by big money propaganda.
And yes some of the things we learn on DU is amazing. Like some would give up their freedoms and liberties for the promise of security. This is not a liberal mindset.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And now the chickens are coming home to roost. Oh well, no one can say we didn't try. Happy hollies fresh!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)An unnamed source, a possible link. Meanwhile, the on the record position of our government remains North Korea did this, there are no actual attributed accusations that China was involved at all, and no link at all to Snowden.
But I'll play along. How exactly did Snowden's revelations of NSA spying help North Korea hack Sony's servers?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Anxiously awaiting.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Jesus
neverforget
(9,436 posts)And Greenwald too just because!
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)Every policy is engineered for the next election. Long term thinking is for long term dictators and leaders. I'm trying to figure out in my malt liquor addled head if its a good thing or not.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I can't take you seriously. What an idiotic smear.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Most hacks are based on published standards and published code (and bad passwords).
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Logical fallacies aren't such a good idea, either.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)p.s. it's propter if you want to get pedantic about it