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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:03 AM Dec 2014

Please note how nobody calls the NY-gunman a "lone wolf"

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/20/3606034/police-union-president-blames-protesters-mayor-deblasio-for-murder-of-two-new-york-city-police-officers/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/20/3606016/two-nyc-police-officers-assassinated-execution-style/

He was a notorious criminal who had killed someone earlier this day. And he had strong political sentiments.

If he had run amok in an abortion-clinic, nobody in the media would have talked about whether he had connections to fundamentalist Christians or whether the demonification of abortion-providers played a role.

But he killed cops. And EVERYBODY who is not okay with COPS GETTING AWAY WITH NEGLIGENTLY KILLING PEOPLE suddenly has blood on his hands.
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Please note how nobody calls the NY-gunman a "lone wolf" (Original Post) DetlefK Dec 2014 OP
That is how they are going to spin this .... FarPoint Dec 2014 #1
GOP 2nd amend right,,, Cryptoad Dec 2014 #2
Good point.... FarPoint Dec 2014 #3
I don't understand.. KyleMcShades Dec 2014 #4
Yet, none of them have blood on their hands for murdering Live and Learn Dec 2014 #5
Good post, and true Thespian2 Dec 2014 #6
Don't carry much cash..... blackspade Dec 2014 #8
Thanks Thespian2 Dec 2014 #9
Good choice. blackspade Dec 2014 #10
If they stop you and ask permission to search your vehicle Thor_MN Dec 2014 #12
If you are white you will be all right! ChosenUnWisely Dec 2014 #14
I think you will be fine. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #22
It sort of depends on which states 2naSalit Dec 2014 #36
only troubles you will have is getting over the border. They turn back lots of people. Sunlei Dec 2014 #43
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2014 #17
Thanks for the statistics marym625 Dec 2014 #19
Are you sure that is NYPD? To me it reads country wide. nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #24
It is country wide marym625 Dec 2014 #25
Yep. This asshole fucked the whole cop watch movement back.... blackspade Dec 2014 #7
And he managed to do it by killing to minority cops. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #11
No kidding. blackspade Dec 2014 #15
Does anyone ever talk about individual black people? The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #13
Not really because of the Subtle Racism that occurs in the media for over 60 years ChosenUnWisely Dec 2014 #18
and the person of color marym625 Dec 2014 #20
But does anyone speaking for the black community ever speak against that? The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #28
I constantly hear the Black community NOLALady Dec 2014 #35
Please name the people the black community has designated to "speak for them".. tia uponit7771 Dec 2014 #47
this person got 221 likes his FB thread and NOBODY tried to prevent this.. this is appalling secondwind Dec 2014 #16
wow! marym625 Dec 2014 #21
perhaps the 'girl friend' tried or said she would, but he killed her first. Sunlei Dec 2014 #37
I don't think so. Based on what I've read he didn't mention "giving pigs wings" until after he shot okaawhatever Dec 2014 #44
he was already on his murder-suicide path like so many before him. Sunlei Dec 2014 #45
I am so DISGUSTED right now Tsiyu Dec 2014 #23
You can put your cute little disclaimer that you don't "condone" this all you want... Lee-Lee Dec 2014 #30
So put the blanket over your head and go back to sleep Tsiyu Dec 2014 #31
Your position is entirely reasonable and understandable. I dont see you encouraging anyone to NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #38
Thank you for your kind words Tsiyu Dec 2014 #40
LOL, ok. nt Logical Dec 2014 #48
And when right-wing anti-government nuts kill cops True Blue Door Dec 2014 #26
No, of course not Tsiyu Dec 2014 #27
Yet 'our' BLM had no problem arresting a journalist and a woman in her 70's armed with CAMERAS Sunlei Dec 2014 #32
White people with guns aimed at you: NO PROBLEM Tsiyu Dec 2014 #33
I hear your anger, I am getting some too, i just listened to that fuck union guy and I think NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #39
a RW-media bonus is, the out of control police make unions 'look bad & crazy' too Sunlei Dec 2014 #42
murder and another wanna-B suicide by police, but police didn't notice him in time :( Sunlei Dec 2014 #29
Only white guys are lone wolves. nt truebluegreen Dec 2014 #34
I hope it's because LWolf Dec 2014 #41
"Nobody in the media" talked about Eric Rudolph's Christian connections? Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #46

FarPoint

(12,366 posts)
1. That is how they are going to spin this ....
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:34 AM
Dec 2014

The Cops across the nation are better organized than us; the anti militarized cop system/protestors....We will continue to be slandered and victimized.

KyleMcShades

(40 posts)
4. I don't understand..
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:57 AM
Dec 2014

why cops murdering people is a controversial subject. The right in this country has no clue about morality or freedom.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
5. Yet, none of them have blood on their hands for murdering
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:35 AM
Dec 2014

civilians.

The person responsible for the murders of the officers is dead so he pretty much inflicted his own sentence.

And the last time a NYPD officer was killed in was in 2011 (see below).

The last shooting death of an NYPD officer came in December 2011, when 22-year veteran Peter Figoski was shot in the face while responding to a report of a break-in at a Brooklyn apartment. The triggerman, Lamont Pride, was convicted of murder and sentenced in 2013 to 45 years to life in prison.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-2-nyc-cops-shot-car-critically-injured-212302732.html

How many people have the NYPD killed since 2011?

Notice how those that kill officers are ALWAYS imprisoned or dead. But the officer's involved in murders are very rarely even arrested.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
6. Good post, and true
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:52 AM
Dec 2014

I guess that is all we can expect in the American police/military state. I will be driving in the states the next four months with Canadian plates. I am already worried about what could happen.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
10. Good choice.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:21 AM
Dec 2014

I don't carry more than $50-100 if I can help it.
A traffic stop could deprive you of all of you wallet cash thanks to the pick pockets in blue.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
12. If they stop you and ask permission to search your vehicle
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:25 AM
Dec 2014

Politely say "Thank you, No." If they are asking permission, they don't have a legitimate reason to search. Refusing permission does not give them a reason. Just keep telling them you don't want to waste their time.

 

ChosenUnWisely

(588 posts)
14. If you are white you will be all right!
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:30 AM
Dec 2014

In the Red States it is much more likely that you maybe singled out by police for traffic violations because you have Canadian Tags but that also true of anyone with out of state/region tags too. Which may lead to possible 'questions' into your reason for being there and legal status. In states that border Canada and are closer to the border we see Canadians all the time, every day actually, so your only hassle will be the usual border hassles and speeding tickets. A local may fight the ticket someone from out of state will just pay the ticket, easy source of revenue for them.

If you are not white, well that is different, you will be fair game for the police just about everywhere some places more so then others.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
22. I think you will be fine.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:24 AM
Dec 2014

The stereotype of Canadians is of well mannered law abiding people. It is always a little strange driving your car in another country. I've driven around Quebec with my Connecticut plates. In other places there, like Nova Scotia, I rented a car.

2naSalit

(86,608 posts)
36. It sort of depends on which states
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:42 AM
Dec 2014

you'll be traveling through. I haven't been east of the Rockies in a long time but I can tell you from decades of experience that if you are white, don't worry, same for Asians w/Canadian plates in the western states... possible exception = California

I have been in the western states and drove around all of them for decades and I have yet to see anyone with Canadian plates ever get pulled over for anything. Whenever I am out on a Hwy, anywhere, it is quite likely that I will be passed by at least one to six vehicles (more if on a N/S Interstate) with Canadian plates and they normally pass e like I were standing still while I am traveling at the speed limit.

I did a lot of road miles last month and my hypothesis rendered these same results. Don't sweat it if you're out in the western states. To enhance the benefits of north of the border plates, wear a cowboy hat and boots around (bolo ties are worn generally) assume an air of rancher or oil industry person and you'll have no problems in this end of the US.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
19. Thanks for the statistics
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:13 AM
Dec 2014

The way the Think Progressive article reads, looks like 49 NY Police Officers were killed last year.

As horrible as this is, that these cops were viciously murdered, the fact that cops are blaming anyone but the murderer, shows they have no intention of changing a god damned thing when it comes to police brutality, social justice, regard for life of any person of color, the mentally ill, the poor or anyone that doesn't back their "have gun, will use it at will" mentality.

Here's a link to the actual FBI statistics

http://m.policemag.com/news/11310/fbi-release-2013-preliminary-statistics-for-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

marym625

(17,997 posts)
25. It is country wide
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:34 AM
Dec 2014

Sorry if I wasn't clear. The Think Progressive article read like the statistics were for just the NYPD. So I pulled the actual statistics for the entire US.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
7. Yep. This asshole fucked the whole cop watch movement back....
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:15 AM
Dec 2014

This prick single handedly justified all of these police killings and assaults.

The M$M will spin this to the advantage of cops and their corporate masters.
We will now see even more brutality from the cops.

All that said, peace to the families in this tragic situation.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
15. No kidding.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:44 AM
Dec 2014

And now this will be used as tool for further public oppression.
This couldn't have worked out better for the authoritarians among us.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
13. Does anyone ever talk about individual black people?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:27 AM
Dec 2014

Not just pejoratively, but even defensively. It's always the black community. I guess that could be part of being a minority, in that collectively is the only way to exercise any power. It works the same way with Muslims in America. Always talk of having or needing black leaders, in order to put a face and name to the crowd.

Could be a reason why white people sometimes take exception to being lumped in with any other white person in discussions of this sort. I guess that could be part of being a majority.

It's certainly a complex issue with complex perspectives. Everyone sees it differently, in their own particular way, and it's like a puzzle with pieces from 15 different sets.

 

ChosenUnWisely

(588 posts)
18. Not really because of the Subtle Racism that occurs in the media for over 60 years
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:46 AM
Dec 2014

When a person of color does something that is bad, negative or perceived as negative that persons actions are representative of ALL the people of that race. If a person od color does some thing good then the praise only goes to that one person. As in he speaks well for a black man.

The funny thing is with race and especially race in America is that when the entire world population is considered over 7 billion of us now....is that white people are the MINORITY in the world.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
20. and the person of color
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:18 AM
Dec 2014

That is rewarded in M$M for whatever the accomplishment is, always has the "see, (s)he was able to lift himself up by the bootstraps and do something positive. WTF is the matter with the rest of 'them'"

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
28. But does anyone speaking for the black community ever speak against that?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:43 AM
Dec 2014

Today anyway. Obviously MLK said pretty much exactly that.

Centuries of externally imposed collective guilt breeds collective defense. It makes total sense in that regard. Nor is it easy to break through the media, as you said.

White people are the minority on a global scale. That's why China is now, and will continue to be, the largest economy in the world. Same with India at some point.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
44. I don't think so. Based on what I've read he didn't mention "giving pigs wings" until after he shot
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:04 PM
Dec 2014

his girlfriend. He did supposedly post anti-cop rhetoric on his facebook/twitter prior to this weekend, but didn't escalate until after he shot his ex-girlfriend. He may have thought he killed her and his life was basically over anyway.

Someone did report him to police. Baltimore PD said they were tipped off to his twitter remarks, but it came about the same time as the officers were shot so there was nothing they could do.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
45. he was already on his murder-suicide path like so many before him.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:26 PM
Dec 2014

I'm still shocked that 2 on duty police officers were caught so unaware.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
23. I am so DISGUSTED right now
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:27 AM
Dec 2014

all these NYPD goons wailing and gnashing over the loss of human life.

Sorry, NYPD, but you are some of the ones who MADE HUMAN LIFE WORTHLESS. You coppers keep telling us people's lives don't matter, death by cops doesn't matter.

If cops, DAs, legislators and politicians keep selling the idea that life has no value, they can't get all teary eyed and weepy when that attitude becomes prevalent.

THEY CAUSED IT.

Read about Wounded Knee, how US soldiers just gunned down Lakota women and children like animals. Cops today in NYC treat blacks and other minorities the same way. Even if these two cops were minorities, they represent that oppression, that failure to regard all human life as having value.

Stop telling me that only cops' lives count and that the whole fucking city is just in shock. FUCK YOU NYPD. Every time an NYPD cop kills another human senselessly, the community should be in shock.

If cops expect to just blatantly kill, they can't be so goddamned clueless that they don't realize the backlash against them from unstable, angry people is going to come. It's going to arrive and they caused it.

I am sad for the families of the officers, but not as much as I am for Tamir Rice who never got to live his life, Mike Brown who was left on the street for hours after being murdered, Garner and all the other people murdered by cops.

Edit to add: I am NOT condoning killing ANYONE, cop or otherwise. I am disgusted that we can't just agree that all lives matter. I am disgusted that some cops put themselves on such a high pedestal even when they know that we know that their violence, corruption and coverups have hurt so many Americans. But no one should murder anyone the way those cops were murdered.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
30. You can put your cute little disclaimer that you don't "condone" this all you want...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:56 AM
Dec 2014

But when you keep pushing this blanket rhetoric of hate:



Read about Wounded Knee, how US soldiers just gunned down Lakota women and children like animals. Cops today in NYC treat blacks and other minorities the same way. Even if these two cops were minorities, they represent that oppression, that failure to regard all human life as having value.



Is the exact kind of irresponsible rhetoric that serves to inspire nutjobs like this guy to do what he did.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
31. So put the blanket over your head and go back to sleep
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:09 AM
Dec 2014

If we don't discuss these issues, and WHY we have always had a mentality of "whites can do whatever they want but natives, blacks and hispanic lives have no value" we will NEVER solve our problems.

Grownups need to wrestle with the ugliness that is America if we are ever to turn it beautiful.

It is irresponsible to turn your head and pretend not to see the pain and anger that prejudice and bigotry and callous murder of "dark" people has caused.

To me, you are saying their pain and anguish never happened and doesn't matter.

But it does. We have to address double standards and our cruel, evil bigoted present and past if we are ever going to come out on the other side of this.



NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
38. Your position is entirely reasonable and understandable. I dont see you encouraging anyone to
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:09 PM
Dec 2014

kill anyone, I see you encouraging american police to take responsibility for their actions.

Kind of like when americans act surprised when a bunch of Muslims attack them, as if it came out of nowhere for no reason

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
40. Thank you for your kind words
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:21 PM
Dec 2014

and yes, some folks will never understand cause and effect.

My heart goes out to all who are senselessly murdered. I know a lot of good cops, just small town guys, and I would hate for something like this to happen. But then, they don't go busting down doors and killing people, they don't beat up on women and kids and they don't gun down the teenagers who get rowdy - they try to TALK TO THEM.


Thanks again. We have to wake up and realize there is fallout from every bad call.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
26. And when right-wing anti-government nuts kill cops
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:36 AM
Dec 2014

there's never a "Rush Limbaugh and the Tea Party have blood on their hands" statement from police unions.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
27. No, of course not
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:39 AM
Dec 2014

The fucking teabaggers were THRILLED when the gun-totin' goons AIMED THEIR WEAPONS at law enforcement at the Bundy ranch.

They had no fucking problem with a "lack of respect for the law."

Goddamned stupid fuck hypocrites.

And yes, I cuss and always have here.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
32. Yet 'our' BLM had no problem arresting a journalist and a woman in her 70's armed with CAMERAS
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:09 AM
Dec 2014

A hot desert day. Shoved them to the ground and into a car tied-up, they both got heatstroke.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
33. White people with guns aimed at you: NO PROBLEM
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:13 AM
Dec 2014

Woman with camera: THREAT THREAT THREAT!!!!!!!

What fucking cowards.


NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
39. I hear your anger, I am getting some too, i just listened to that fuck union guy and I think
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:13 PM
Dec 2014

he wants a war.

I would like to remove all guns from all citizens including cops, as the 2nd amendment demands, then the war will be less bloody if the cops insist on one, that is.

When I say I am getting some anger too, it is of course the understatement of my life.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
41. I hope it's because
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:31 PM
Dec 2014

"lone wolf" is a misused term when referring to dangerously dysfunctional people.

Being a lone wolf myself.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
46. "Nobody in the media" talked about Eric Rudolph's Christian connections?
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:44 PM
Dec 2014
MURPHY, North Carolina (CNN) -- A police officer in the small town of Murphy, North Carolina, arrested Olympic bombing suspect Eric Robert Rudolph early Saturday, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft announced -- ending a five-year manhunt for one of the FBI's most wanted fugitives.

......

Rudolph is believed to have written letters received by the media after the bombings. They were signed by a group called the Army of God. The letters claimed responsibility for the bombings and were declarations of war against the federal government.

Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Alabama, which tracks extremist groups, said Rudolph was "definitely a Christian Identity believer and an adherent of Nord Davis."

The Christian Identity movement is a militant racist and anti-Semitic organization that asserts that whites are God's chosen people.


http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/31/rudolph.arrest/


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