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avebury

(10,952 posts)
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:50 AM Dec 2014

Cleveland Police Union Defends Fired Cop,

Saying others Did Far Worse

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A Cleveland police officer fired after a drunken bar fight where he lost his service weapon and badge and didn't tell his supervisors about it for days has returned to the force after a federal arbitrator ruled his firing was excessive.

Daniel Flannery won back his job in part because the head of the union that represents Cleveland police officers argued that there are officers on the force who have done much worse and were not fired. (As an aside - that logic just has to boggle the mind)

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Specifically, CPPA president Jeffrey Follmer referred to separate cases in which:

one officer pulled his wife out of her car and fired off eight shots into it because he did not want her to get the car in a divorce settlement;
another got drunk and threatened his girlfriend with a shotgun;
another officer shot his gun "in a threatening manner" while intoxicated;
an officer pulled his gun during a drunken wedding fight;
a female officer smeared animal feces on her own apartment walls during a rent dispute, and told her landlord to pick her keys up at the department's gun range;
another officer fled the scene of an accident after he hit a man on a motorcycle.

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I don't quite know what to say. It boggles the mind that so many Cleveland cops apparently have no business being cops. That force seems to have an alcohol problem. I really feel sorry for the people of Cleveland.


Edit to add link:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_police_union_defends.html#incart_river

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Cleveland Police Union Defends Fired Cop, (Original Post) avebury Dec 2014 OP
that sounds like cleveland belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #1
Justice for all.. sendero Dec 2014 #2
Cleveland, Afghanistan (?) Downwinder Dec 2014 #3
Here in Detroit, we've always told Cleveland jokes... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #4
well, when I lived in Ohio, it was Parma jokes. kwassa Dec 2014 #5
The Ghoul MrScorpio Dec 2014 #7
and Ghoulardi's son is the director Paul Thomas Anderson kwassa Dec 2014 #10
137 shots fired by Cleveland police against two unarmed motorists, killing both. kwassa Dec 2014 #6
I'd be a bit ashamed if my defense was cloudbase Dec 2014 #8
Good news. The DOJ has been investigating the City of Cleveland police department for a okaawhatever Dec 2014 #9

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
10. and Ghoulardi's son is the director Paul Thomas Anderson
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:13 PM
Dec 2014

director of "Boogie Nights" and "There Will Be Blood", among others.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
6. 137 shots fired by Cleveland police against two unarmed motorists, killing both.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:44 AM
Dec 2014

from last May.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/31/cleveland-car-chase-russell-williams-police-shooting


A night-time car chase in Cleveland that ended on a schoolyard where more than 100 shots were fired at the suspect's vehicle appeared to be over when an officer opened fire again, a prosecutor said in announcing charges against the patrolman and five police supervisors.

Cleveland patrol officer Michael Brelo stood on the hood of the suspect's car and fired at least 15 shots through the windshield – five fatal – at the two unarmed people inside, Cuyahoga County prosecutor Tim McGinty said Friday.

McGinty cited a US supreme court ruling this week that said police can't fire on suspects after a public safety threat has ended. He said the other officers on the scene had stopped firing after the November 2012 chase ended.

"This was now a stop-and-shoot – no longer a chase-and-shoot," McGinty said in announcing two counts of manslaughter against Brelo. "The law does not allow for a stop-and-shoot."

Driver Timothy Russell was shot 23 times. Passenger Malissa Williams was shot 24 times. No gun was found on them or in their vehicle. The chase had begun when an officer thought he heard a gunshot from a car speeding by the police and courts complex, jumped into his patrol car and radioed for help. Police don't know why Russell didn't stop.

Brelo fired a total of 49 shots. In all, 137 shots were fired at the schoolyard, authorities say. None of the other 12 officers who fired shots were indicted, McGinty said Friday. Five supervisors were charged with dereliction of duty for failing to control the chase.

The killings have been decried as a racially motivated execution – both victims were black – and are part of a wide-ranging federal investigation, including into the police department's use of deadly force and its pursuit policies.

The chase involved five dozen cruisers and wove through residential neighborhoods, onto Interstate 90 and eventually ended in east Cleveland. McGinty said the chase covered 20 miles over 23 minutes and reached speeds of 110mph.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
9. Good news. The DOJ has been investigating the City of Cleveland police department for a
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:31 PM
Dec 2014

"pattern and practice" lawsuit. Holder announced the findings recently (all pretty disturbing). The city can now enter into a consent decree, meaning they will allow DOJ oversight, training, some firings, and implement the recommendations of the DOJ or the DOJ will sue them to try to force the changes. The pattern and practice program has had success in the past, so I think the residents of Cleveland will be getting a much deserved improvement in their police force.

Here is an article about it with a link to the report:

http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2014/12/justice_department_recommends.html

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