Now DU has gone and got poor Derpy all confused. Why would anyone do that to such a sweet pony, especially at Hearth's Warming time?

The Democratic Party is not the place to un-confuse some pony

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"Do not ask them for counsel, for they will say both yes and no."



"Also, don't laugh at live dragons"

That's hardly a direct quote you've posted there JEFF9K.

Sorry it's a bit open ended, I know. I just get frustrated when I hear someone at least attempting to understand the violence and suggest how we can condemn the behavior (i.e. in this video the guy suggests that as a community we could develop the attitude that masculinity is not measured by how violent a person is) and explain how efforts are working towards rethinking laws for when people are in crisis so families can help them - and people hear this and post a re-hashed version of what was said to get people angry about it. The person who started this thread misquoted what was said, without providing an actual transcript or video clip. All that does is instigate more aggression, towards someone who seems to be at least attempting to find solutions. Just irks me a bit. I kind of get his point about the violence being ingrained in social activism... all the violence in Ferguson drew media coverage, and all the peaceful protests went uncovered! All those folks destroying their neighbors shops and property... how does that create change for good? How does shooting two cops and having people cheer about it do anything other than drive an eye-for-eye mentality? I saw some guy today pretending to shoot people in a cafe as I got my coffee, all angry about how much his coffee cost, and the only way he knew how to react was with violence, throwing things around and screaming and pretending to shoot people. In Manhattan in a very busy cafe. It was scary and should a cop have been in there - could've been another avoidable death. We live and breath violence - condemning it when its perpetrated against us, and celebrating it when it gets us what we want or at least exacts revenge. So how do we fix it if anyone who tries to think up solutions is berated for being a quack who knows nothing because what, they haven't been to jail or on the streets?? Where are those guys then? Those who know what its really like? What do they suggest? Fighting the cops will only serve to increase their powers. And they're bloody militarized enough!

I just don't see that actual social justice advocates are not the people that are being shut out here, by the advocates of violence -- mostly on the right. The culture of violence and consumerism is coming from the mainstream media, it seems to me, not from activists. Sure there's people on the fringe who are alienated, but these people are just as likely to not be clued-in on the problems with society and just have mental issues or are looking to lash out or a cause to latch onto because they were mistreated or brought up to believe in violence or self-harm.

Merry Xmas and welcome to DU!

attract their fair share of nut jobs. I think it's part of human nature to get passionate about something in one's life.

“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.”

speak with the most authoritative voice, turn out to not know WTF they are talking about.

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
http://www.potw.org/archive/potw351.html

of, "I don't hate people, I just feel better when they're not around," my opinion of him will remain intact.

What an ass.

project to liberal.

Fascist. In a nation where corporstions and individuals own the vast majority of the wealth and have bought the politicians needed to give it the old fascist try to seize the mightiest military nationnthe world has ever known or will ever know...and they will use it.

Fascism. Fits all the holes.

by the events of France July 1789, America 1860-65 and Russia November 1917 (to name but three).

You have to wonder where they get these RW TV personalities, they get just enough correct to sound almost right, but the the words describing the underlying concepts are twisted just enough that you end up with lies.

cover. At the next demonstration I predict extreme police brutality. Cover obligingly provided by the mass media. The curs!!

Every time I say I've had enough, I'm not going to the streets any more - 50 years enough - these douche bags do or say something that drives me out to the streets again!

I hope these raw "feed them raw meat" sentiments have the same effect on a lot of people.

I consider myself a social justice advocate and never once have I even considered killing a police officer, let alone felt entitled to do so. Being in the mental health field, I cringe that someone from my field makes these kind of ignorant, and frankly, nonsensical, comments.

"Based on what we're hearing now, he wasn't schizophrenic. What if he really was doing this out of revenge for Eric Garner etc?"

Conservatives are all ABOUT using them some violence when it suits their ends. In other words, if they can make bank off someone else's suffering, violence is AOK.

And violence is AOK when dealing with people selling loosies and 12-year-old boys playing in parks with toy guns and babies lying in their beds who just happen to be in the way when you throw a grenade because someone, somewhere is selling a substance to someone else and it's not a pharmaceutical product with a legal prescription (it's a felony to have one pill of some drugs if you have no scrip - ONE PILL AND YOU ARE A FELON )

It's okay not to take precautions and to let your fertilizer factory blow up and kill 15 people. Blowing up in a fertilizer factory is a violent way to die, and is nearly always preventable if precautions are taken.

But it's considered patriotic to be the cheapest motherfucker you can be when running your business. THAT's sound economic policy for your business. That's a mentally sound position - to not give a fuck about people's safety as long as you make the stockholders happy. That is not mental illness that CAUSES HARM TO SOCIETY?

Why it's no less despicable than the man who guns down another in the street for his money. We're just talking about killing more people for larger amounts of cash.

Then just declare backruptcy when you get sued. Congress RIGHT WINGERS and some Dems have already made it impossible to get a decent settlement anyway, because it's patriotic to run a hazardous business, make bank off it and then walk away when people get hurt.

If that's not a violent philosophy shared by mentally deranged sociopaths, I don't know what is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Fertilizer_Company_explosion

And who paid for the cleanup? THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT that these zero regulation sociopaths claim to hate and fail to support!!!!!!!!! This explosion killed 15 people, injured 160, destroyed 150 buildings - people's homes, nursing homes just unbelievable damage.

Yet at the time, everyone was focused on the Boston bombers. Which explosion caused more overall damage? Who was really less patriotic here? I ask this, because at the time, I read a Rightwingnut claim that the Boston bombers were not taught to be sufficiently PATRIOTIC. I swear to GAWD. And I asked myself at the time, what the fuck is patriotic about killing your employees and blowing up a whole town? Is that not complete violence? To destroy a 50-unit apartment complex and all the residents' belongings? To save a few measly bucks.....now who is mentally ill?

Michael Welner is another myopic fool, showing you how absolutely fearful these arrogant, bloated motherfuckers are of "the masses." They will do anything to discredit worthwhile causes and community action, while fomenting corporate anarchy and violence for their own self-gain.

FUCK YOU WELNER. You have no idea WHAT violence is. Head to a prison. Hang out and watch some of the guards in action. You won't find any of them protesting for social justice. But you'd be hard pressed to tell me a lot of them are not severely mentally unstable.

Jerk



FUCK YOU TOO, CNN, You Termite Queens

NOT

CNN: Proud members of the Termite Queens, the new bloated parasite class:

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From your link -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority,
mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude. Conversely, highly skilled individuals tend to underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.

As David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent
stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".

The phenomenon was first tested in a series of experiments published in 1999 by David Dunning and
Justin Kruger of the Department of Psychology, Cornell University. The study was inspired by the
case of McArthur Wheeler, a man who robbed two banks after covering his face with lemon juice in
the mistaken belief that, as lemon juice is usable as invisible ink, it would prevent his face from being
recorded on surveillance cameras.{4} They noted that earlier studies suggested that ignorance of
standards of performance lies behind a great deal of incorrect self assessments of competence. This
pattern was seen in studies of skills as diverse as reading comprehension, operating a motor vehicle,
and playing chess or tennis.

Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will:

1. fail to recognize their own lack of skill;
2. fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
3. fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
4. recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill.

Dunning has since drawn an analogy ("the anosognosia of everyday life&quot {1}{6} with a condition in which a person who suffers a physical disability because of brain injury seems unaware of or denies the existence of the disability, even for dramatic impairments such as blindness or paralysis.

"If you’re incompetent, you can’t know you’re incompetent. (…) the skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is." —David Dunning

"So it's like known unknowns and unknown unknowns, right?"

in which people in large organizations are eventually promoted to the position where they become thoroughly incompetent.

I am a steadfast believer in Social Causes.

I am anti violence.

I am anti war.

I am anti torture.

I am anti bullying.

I would take this bozo's advice with a grain of salt.

I don't know what all that babble about masculinity was about.

As a female I guess it does not apply to me.

So called experts are such frauds and posers.

Paid shills would a more precise and accurate title.

that this is allowed on a "news" outlet is disgusting. I call it hate speach. Shame on CNN.

purposely fearmongering and hating on liberals and Obama as Fox..in a Zucker clever boy kind of way.

They ran all day expressing concern about the "chants" of the protestors soon debunked...Blitzer ran with it and it was rebroadcast without correction....on purpose, folks, on purpose they lie and stoke the flames....it is treasonous and criminal.

But there is an entitlement to vandalize archaeological sites.

This Greenpeace Stunt May Have Irreparably Damaged Peru's Nazca Site



http://io9.com/this-greenpeace-stunt-may-have-irreparably-damaged-peru-1669728616

It doesn't. The OP was about activist groups being accused of advocating violence.


& btw: "Yesterday, Greenpeace apologized for the stunt, saying it was sorry if the protest at the historical site on Monday caused an "moral offense" to the Peruvian people. The environmental activist group said it would collaborate with the government to determine if any damage was done to the site, and that it would stop using photos of the protest in its campaigns. Greenpeace is also sending its Executive Director Kumi Naidoo to Lima to apologize in person to the Peruvian government."

They have refused requests by the Peruvian government to identify the vandals. They are not cooperating in the least. Another entitlement.

CARACAS, Venezuela — Peruvian officials said on Monday that the environmental group Greenpeace had refused to hand over the names of activists who entered a protected area near the Nazca Lines, ancient etchings in the Peruvian desert.

“Instead of leaving a positive message, they have left an irresponsible message, disrespectful of Peruvian laws,” Congressman Alejandro Aguinaga said during a news conference in Lima, the capital. “On top of that they have done irreparable harm to our heritage.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/world/americas/greenpeace-wont-name-activists-peru-says-.html?_r=0

you echo the language of the RW hate monger from the OP, and attempt to pile on one of the activist groups along with him?
Tell us more!

The quote I posted was from your article, but that is way besides the point!

In order to spread their "message". Yes, I will pile on them because they are cultural vandals. They engage in a criminal conspiracy by refusing to cooperate with the Peru government to identify these vandals. Hopefully all less developed nations will ban this group from entering their countries.

Projection from Paranoid Delusion.

however, regarding change (social justice); you gotta break some eggs to make an omelet..........

We do not need yet another media outlet spouting RW nonsense!!

Love,
Brigid

Out of a box of Frankenberry?

I find his graphic particularly germane when confronted with that "special" kind of teh stoopid:

I think the CNN producers went looking for someone like him, and bingo, out of thousands of psychologists/forensic psychologists, you're going to find ONE. Just like with global climate change, always one outlier.

Huge self-promoter, big fan of "people who disagree with me are intrinsically evil."

Much like religion, the military, law enforcement, and team sports - any place where you have "good guys" vs. "bad guys" you could be attracting the sort of people who can't deal with ambiguity, and need to see the world in terms of good and evil.

Of course, that doesn't mean that such areas of human endeavor should cease.

Funny how they didn't trot these people out when cops got killed by right-wingers affiliated with the Sovereign Citizen movement out west... just saying.

About the U.S. War of independence, too.

Religious fundamentalism.

He's a step above Nancy Grace but that's all anybody should give him.

The man's entire career is pretty much built around a mix of arguing that anybody who makes baseline society uncomfortable is intrinsically evil - like, on a genetic level; he argues that having bad relatives makes one bad - and trying to throw his weight around in psychiatric publishing as much as possible to try to filter stances which differ from his.

Of course he'd be all over this, since he jumps at every opportunity he can to claim whatever person, group etc., is too loudly different from the status quo is an evil menace which must be purged.

I think the opposite reason is why activism even occurs. No matter how slice it, police shootings disporpotionally effect African-Americans which is far from the only thing does. They're incarcerated, stopped, and sentenced proportionally.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/2014/11/arrests-interactive/

Mental illness? You gotta be kidding me.

If the video posted up-thread is of the interview to which you refer...

Beginning about 6 minutes in he talks about "spectacular" crimes.

The quote in the subject line is the first time he makes the statement: "They identify their masculinity through their capacity to destroy"

A bit later he says, "We can shape a message that 'you're not a man by virtue of whom you can destroy'"

A bit later: "Your manhood is not defined by your ability to destroy for the sake of destroying"

Finally: "That doesn't make you a man to kill for the sake of killing."

He appears to have had a message he was trying to convey.



Here's a link for the bill to which he referred; H.R.3717 - - Helping Families in Mental Health Crisis Act of 2013
https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/3717

I kind of doubt he's coming at it from the perspective of feminism within the activist movement, or sensitivity training for activists, or something. He's saying a desire for activism is part and parcel with a desire to project ones frustrated masculinity on an uncaring world.

He pointed out the parallels between the Brooklyn shooter and Sydney in which they commit their crimes for a constituency. He specifically made examples of the difference between mental illness and "spectacular" crimes.

The only tie between mental illness and social justice advocates was in the news ticker on the bottom of the screen. Obviously, a very effective way to distort and obscure the actual message.

About 2:20-ish in, he starts delineating and differentiating between the two.

Mental illness includes an irrationality in which the perpetrator is playing to himself; to his own demons. (paraphrasing)

He goes on: "The parallel (between the Brooklyn shooter and Sydney) is this is not a person who was isolated as the government suggests." Again goes on about playing to a constituency.

About 2:40-ish

"There are some peace activists who experience an entitlement to violence. That's different." She talked over him just as he said "that's different" so you may have missed it.

Orly...

Yes, that's the part I caught, and the part about playing to a constituency... and the part about Greenpeace being an example of a violent protest organization