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Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:07 AM Dec 2014

Protester Confronts Fox Station That Deceptively Edited 'Kill A Cop' Chant, Talking Points Memo



http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-affiliate-apologizes-protester-chant


Baltimore Fox affiliate apologized Monday night for a report it ran over the weekend that deceptively edited protestors to look like they were chanting "kill a cop."


Gawker originally caught WBFF chopping up footage of a protest chant to sound like incitement to murder police on Monday.

The chant went "we won't stop, we can't stop, 'til killer cops, are in cell blocks," according to C-SPAN footage.

But WBFF cut the audio short and told viewers that the words were in fact "we won't stop, we can't stop, so kill a cop."

The station apologized both on its Facebook page and in an interview with one of the protestors leading the chant, Tawanda Jones
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You may watch the segment at the link above.
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Protester Confronts Fox Station That Deceptively Edited 'Kill A Cop' Chant, Talking Points Memo (Original Post) Stuart G Dec 2014 OP
ok so who's going to jail belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #1
I wish the jerks at Fox News were going to jail...but that won't happen. Stuart G Dec 2014 #3
wheres the FCC? elehhhhna Dec 2014 #4
Can you cite the laws that were broken? Blue_Adept Dec 2014 #5
Yeah, we dont want laws against this, I agree. We do, however, want to make sure all living things NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #30
**I** want laws against this! me b zola Dec 2014 #47
Interesting concept. Who will be responsible for previewing and approving all newscasts... MadDAsHell Dec 2014 #50
No, it really isn't difficult me b zola Dec 2014 #53
All video is edited Blue_Adept Dec 2014 #56
attempt to incite riot, public incense, you know... check all the things one of the protestors uponit7771 Dec 2014 #55
No one. Fox News successfully argued in court some years ago that they are under no obligation LanternWaste Dec 2014 #9
That was for the Fox cable station sunnystarr Dec 2014 #18
Just an apology should not be an acceptable conclusion. think Dec 2014 #2
Fox News won an appeal of a judgement against them for lying. The Court of Appeals found that Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #10
Faux News should be required to have a huge banner stating they are an entertainment site not news think Dec 2014 #15
Fox isn't news Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #17
The case was in Florida Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #43
Station Ownership Roy Rolling Dec 2014 #6
NBC and CNN also reported maced666 Dec 2014 #7
I hope NBC AND CNN also apologize...and furtheremore, Stuart G Dec 2014 #8
Absolutely......^^^^^^^Absolutely^^^^CNN, with bearded evil demon in disguise Blitzer, actively ran Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #19
How did NBC report it? Surely they have to retract and apologize, this is a crime of journalism, a Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #21
You seem to assume ... staggerleem Dec 2014 #26
OK. I will give up and throw my hands up in the air then. I can' t breath. Like you? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #28
scum merrily Dec 2014 #11
Not enough, the original report went out..... daleanime Dec 2014 #12
Spreading Intentional Hate and Fear jalan48 Dec 2014 #13
A petition on Change.org might be a start. classykaren Dec 2014 #14
They will petition your period to the Ignore bin. Protests in front of their buildings. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #20
THe part that will anger you into a stroke is that once the right lies about something NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #32
Which is why post, to retain my sanity, because I know I am not the one on the dark side of the moon. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #35
How many times has Bill Maher illustrated for the morons that nothing they believe is NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #36
They accomplished their goal with the clip...apology or not is immaterial. nt NorthCarolina Dec 2014 #16
"Apologized"? I want to hear the word "fired." Iggo Dec 2014 #22
Transcript of part of the interview. Intentional or a mistake? Also ask CNN, Fox national. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #23
Sadly, the only reason the station apologized was for liability reasons Rex Dec 2014 #29
The media will not agree to prosecute actual torturers, since when will they agree to prosecutions for Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #33
Great post. Rex Dec 2014 #41
Maybe she could sue for Defamation, with a Slander per se claim? PotatoChip Dec 2014 #44
The FCC policy on false reporting is pretty specific mn9driver Dec 2014 #24
Note the terms 'crime or a catastrophe.' A protest is neither. freshwest Dec 2014 #49
Fox "has blood on its hands," and has for more than a decade. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #25
Imagine that! And some posters here were repeating that lie non stop! Rex Dec 2014 #27
Here there are many here that are not progressives to begin with, or are not able to resist the Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #34
True it draws them in like moths to a flame. Rex Dec 2014 #42
So are those involved in the vile editing fired??? riversedge Dec 2014 #31
Descredit turbinetree Dec 2014 #37
I am fed up with those folks on FOX 'news'. When they do apologize it's always... Stellar Dec 2014 #38
:/ Go Vols Dec 2014 #39
'fox apologized' the social damage "protesters call for cop killers" will last forever. Sunlei Dec 2014 #40
Do you supoose .."fox apologized" and discussion of the "mistake"..will somehow appear onFox News? Stuart G Dec 2014 #45
Where the hell is the fcc? green917 Dec 2014 #46
We aren't in Kansas any more, Toto. n/t me b zola Dec 2014 #48
If only average individuals had Gawker on their side daredtowork Dec 2014 #51
KICK Cha Dec 2014 #52
Thank you for this complete and total exposure of an outright media lie. underpants Dec 2014 #54
the media fix was started in the lead up to 2000 olddots Dec 2014 #57

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
3. I wish the jerks at Fox News were going to jail...but that won't happen.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:14 AM
Dec 2014

It was no mistake, the idiots at that station should be fired and tried on character assignation.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
30. Yeah, we dont want laws against this, I agree. We do, however, want to make sure all living things
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:17 PM
Dec 2014

know that fox exists solely to advance the rightwing agenda of hate and destruction.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
47. **I** want laws against this!
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:55 PM
Dec 2014

A "news"organization that edits film to deliberately tell a lie, much less such an inflammatory lie should be illegal and punishable by imprisonment.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
50. Interesting concept. Who will be responsible for previewing and approving all newscasts...
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 05:33 AM
Dec 2014

across the country? And under what guidelines will they determine what's a lie? And under which party's administration will those guidelines be set?

Those questions make all the difference.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
53. No, it really isn't difficult
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 07:38 AM
Dec 2014

Editing a video to intentionally misrepresent people like what was done here does not need "guidelines" the altered video speaks for itself and the intent behind it.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
56. All video is edited
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:39 AM
Dec 2014

What level is acceptable? Again, who determines and assures us that it's not misrepresented?

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
55. attempt to incite riot, public incense, you know... check all the things one of the protestors
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:36 AM
Dec 2014

...would be charged with

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. No one. Fox News successfully argued in court some years ago that they are under no obligation
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:38 AM
Dec 2014

No one. Fox News successfully argued in court some years ago that they are under no obligation to either truth or accuracy.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
18. That was for the Fox cable station
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:49 AM
Dec 2014

not to be confused with the regular Fox station which is local news and should be subject to FCC regulations.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
2. Just an apology should not be an acceptable conclusion.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:14 AM
Dec 2014

There needs to be REAL consequences for a news agency deliberately fabricating the news.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
10. Fox News won an appeal of a judgement against them for lying. The Court of Appeals found that
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:42 AM
Dec 2014

it is ok for them to lie because they "are not news, they are entertainment." They can legal lie, distort, and fabricate whatever they want now without repercussions. This allows full on propaganda directed at Americans to be legal. Sorry Mr. Cronkite!

 

think

(11,641 posts)
15. Faux News should be required to have a huge banner stating they are an entertainment site not news
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:20 AM
Dec 2014

Thanks for the input. I'll have to look that up and file it....

Roy Rolling

(6,921 posts)
6. Station Ownership
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:20 AM
Dec 2014

The Fox station is owned by Sinclair broadcasting and FCC complaints and comments should be made against them.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
8. I hope NBC AND CNN also apologize...and furtheremore,
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:29 AM
Dec 2014

This one report about FOX station altering the news to fit its bias, becomes the news scandal of the decade..

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
19. Absolutely......^^^^^^^Absolutely^^^^CNN, with bearded evil demon in disguise Blitzer, actively ran
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:20 PM
Dec 2014

with it, raised it repeatedly, even after we all here at DU knew the truth...and repeated his show in the evening long after....

Protest should be hel at all the major networks over this and much, much else.

They and many, many web news sites need to front page apologies.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. How did NBC report it? Surely they have to retract and apologize, this is a crime of journalism, a
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:23 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:15 PM - Edit history (1)

dangerous crime.

We should not let it go.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
26. You seem to assume ...
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:11 PM
Dec 2014

... that Comcast cares more about "journalism" than Fox does.

The time when one could take something on faith because they saw it on the TV news has been over for about a decade, Fred. Try to keep up.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
12. Not enough, the original report went out.....
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:12 AM
Dec 2014

and soaked into the brains of the target audience(don't know how I said that with a straight face), should be required to issue a ten minute correction every hour for the next month. Undoing the damage that their help cause will not be easy.

jalan48

(13,873 posts)
13. Spreading Intentional Hate and Fear
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:13 AM
Dec 2014

That's what FOX and most of right wing talk radio does. The purpose is to separate people. People united in communities educate themselves to solve problems. Educated people pose a threat to those in power. Strong, healthy communities pose a threat to those in power. People questioning the status quo and actively looking for ways to make their lives and communities better pose a threat to those in power. The job of FOX News and hate radio is to create divisions in society. People divided will expend all their energy hating and/or fearing others not in their group and they won't focus on the bigger picture of "society". FOX News is like heroin or meth, it destroys people and communities, that's it's sole purpose. FOX News leads citizens toward totalitarianism-"Your community and people are sick, you are incapable of making your community work, you need a strong government/police/leader to take care of your problems." Not hating is the only anti-dote to their venom.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
32. THe part that will anger you into a stroke is that once the right lies about something
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:18 PM
Dec 2014

that lie is now the truth.

You will NOT be able to tell ANY rightwinger or teaparty person the truth about this, they are NOT having it.

Like the IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
36. How many times has Bill Maher illustrated for the morons that nothing they believe is
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:26 PM
Dec 2014

true, but if anything they are even more dug in now than ever.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
23. Transcript of part of the interview. Intentional or a mistake? Also ask CNN, Fox national.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:26 PM
Dec 2014


"Although last night’s report reflected an honest misunderstanding of what the protesters were saying, we apologize for the error," the post read.

"We have deleted the story on our webpage and we offered to have Ms. Jones on Fox45 News at 5:00 tonight for a live interview," it continued.

In that interview, Jones called out the station several times for misrepresenting her words.

"The interesting part that really gets to me is, where you guys edited it and stopped — like, how could that be a mistake?" she said.

"Once you play that whole thing, you would know that's not something that's being said," she added.

The interviewer apologized several times, and though Jones told the station she was grateful to come on, she also said she now fears for her reputation and her safety. Near the end of the interview she began to cry.

"At the end of the day, people's lives are on the line," she said. "Now, even though we're doing this, I still don't feel safe because I still feel like the message is out there."

"What if a crazed-out cop or a crazed-out supporter thinks I'm trying to get cops killed?" she later said, wiping tears from her face.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
29. Sadly, the only reason the station apologized was for liability reasons
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:16 PM
Dec 2014

they don't give two shits about Ms. Jones or the fact that they might have ruined her life. I would say they should all end up in prison for trying to incite national riots, but this is the M$M as we know it now.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
33. The media will not agree to prosecute actual torturers, since when will they agree to prosecutions for
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:21 PM
Dec 2014

themselves for torturing words and the truth.

I wish the protestors would also protest in front of media corporate headquarters as well, because I can't breath with all those lies stepping on my neck.


PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
44. Maybe she could sue for Defamation, with a Slander per se claim?
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:40 PM
Dec 2014
Defamation Law: Legal Elements of Libel & Slander Cases

The Elements of Slander
There are two types of slander: slander and slander per se. In the first kind of slander, the plaintiff must prove the defendant made a defamatory statement to at least one other person (i.e. the essential defamation elements) and that the plaintiff suffered what are referred to as “special damages” as a result of the defamation. Special damages are actual harm like loss of customers, being fired, or some other financial harm.

A slander per se claim does not require that the plaintiff prove special damages. This is because slander per se claims involve categories of defamatory statements that are presumed to be damaging to the plaintiff. While the categories may change a little for state to state, and evolve over the years, some of the most common slander per se categories are:

-imputing criminal conduct to the plaintiff {emphasis mine}

-saying that the plaintiff has certain types of communicable diseases

-any harmful statement about the plaintiff's profession or business.

***snip***

Damages for Defamation
Once the plaintiff has successfully proved defamation, "general damages" are presumed. The plaintiff is not simply limited to damages reflecting his or her economic losses, but the mental anguish and other emotional harm that the law presumes to result from having one’s reputation harmed. Depending on what the plaintiff proves about the defendant’s intentions, and the type of defendant, punitive damages may also be awarded to the plaintiff. For more, see our section on damages in a personal injury case.

Defenses to Defamation
Generally, if the defendant can prove that what he or she said or published about the plaintiff was true, the plaintiff will lose the case. In the case of defendants like certain media outlets (e.g. newspapers), the plaintiff must prove the statement was untrue -- the media defendant is not required to prove its publication was true to defend the case.

***snip***

http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/personal-injury/defamation-libel-slander.html
[/div class="excerpt"]

If the lawsuit were to succeed, I assume the defendant would simply be ordered to pay some type of fine, though.

mn9driver

(4,426 posts)
24. The FCC policy on false reporting is pretty specific
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:03 PM
Dec 2014
Broadcasting False Information

Knowingly broadcasting false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe may violate the rules of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).

Specifics of the FCC’s Rules

The FCC’s rules prohibit holders of broadcast licenses from broadcasting false information concerning a crime or a catastrophe if:

the licensee knows the information is false; and
the licensee knows beforehand that broadcasting the information will cause substantial “public harm.” The public harm: (1) must begin immediately and cause direct and actual damage to property or the health or safety of the general public; or (2) divert law enforcement or public health and safety authorities from their duties.


http://www.fcc.gov/guides/broadcasting-false-information

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
49. Note the terms 'crime or a catastrophe.' A protest is neither.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 05:25 AM
Dec 2014

So there is no protection there.

The less public ownership, the more private discretion, even if one thinks they can't trust the hemmed in government. Trying to get accountability from a corporation is like talking a mob boss who will ask you which leg you want capped if you don't like things.

It's the failure of participation and vision from individuals that allows this state of affairs, and it's been carefully crafted from years of media programming. It's all been normalized and the people let them get away with it because they want a quick fix and don't want to get their hands dirty with politics.

And that is where we are, with the dirtiest hands controlling the states where the worst of this goes on. Although FNN, CNN and now ABC, NBC and CBS are no better and have brought those mores to the entire nation.

The laws were changed so that about a half dozen rightwing billionaires control all the venues of information. And they have for a long time. We are camping on their property like the internet, just consumers and not producers, is their mindset.

That article is a nice idea if the FCC was in the same society it was when those laws meant the FCC could go out and police the private sector. They are all starved for funds, as people bought in the small government mantra. Meaning we would no longer have a We the People government, which had to be a big government to do the job, as there are over 300 million of us now who need solutions.

By such methods as tax cuts, they have allowed the crooks free rein in everything.

Oh, and Happy Holidays. Not snarking, really.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
27. Imagine that! And some posters here were repeating that lie non stop!
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:13 PM
Dec 2014

I doubt they will apologize or even acknowledge they were in error.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
34. Here there are many here that are not progressives to begin with, or are not able to resist the
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:22 PM
Dec 2014

massive mass media propganda.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
42. True it draws them in like moths to a flame.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:55 PM
Dec 2014

You are right, we need to protest right out in front of these news studios.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
37. Descredit
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:28 PM
Dec 2014

I applauded the protester that confronted the hypocrisy of this right station and its right wing tools of deceit and deception and the people at this station knowingly providing misinformation to the public to continue to inflame a situation and to the outright propaganda.
But there needs to be more.


This station and other stations that are supposedly independently owned , so that they can provide cover from the Fox 20th Century brand and his (Murdoch) right wing empire, (just look at the murder of British girl in England and the Sun Newspaper) have no morality or conscience in there actions spreading and inciting fear and hate and what this blatant attempt of deception does for and too the community and the society is a disservice in journalism and other societal actions and wants and needs for transparency in the news source

grr:

This right wing propaganda machine is nothing more than an extension of Ailes time with a corrupt president by the name of Richard M. Nixon, when he (Ailes blamed the so called liberals for the actions transpiring in the 1969 -1974) he (Ailes) was and has been under Nixon's ,Reagan, Giuliani, G.H.W.Bush employ and under Murdoch (FIX Noise Chairman) as "media consultant", look at what the above have said in past remarks and there actions speak volumes of the hypocrisy for what was happening in the White House and New York, this is what needs to be protested on daily basis.


This so called apology is nothing more than an ACT to deflect there operating procedures which they will continue later on into the future, look no further than the crew like Hannity, Hasselbeck, Stossel, O'Reilly and the other team mates of deceit and deception.


This owner and its license needs to be pulled.
WE the public give this owner the privilege to operate under rules of OUR airwaves, and if they cannot fulfill that responsibility then questions and comments to the FCC need to be addressed to this, and done a strong coordinated function.


Stellar

(5,644 posts)
38. I am fed up with those folks on FOX 'news'. When they do apologize it's always...
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:31 PM
Dec 2014

after the fact. It's too bad we don't have people picketing their station immediately after their lies.

eta: we need to hire people just to picket their station, just like they hire people to to blog attack.

http://open.salon.com/blog/christopher_di_spirito/2009/08/10/gop_paying_trolls_to_blog_attack

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
39. :/
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:40 PM
Dec 2014
An appeal was filed, and a ruling in February 2003 came down in favor of WTVT, who successfully argued that the FCC policy against falsification was not a "law, rule, or regulation"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTVT

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
40. 'fox apologized' the social damage "protesters call for cop killers" will last forever.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 01:41 PM
Dec 2014

Police, prison guards and all 'hired guns' already think and treat our society, "the people" like we are the enemy.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
45. Do you supoose .."fox apologized" and discussion of the "mistake"..will somehow appear onFox News?
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 05:31 PM
Dec 2014

Will O Reilly will announce tonite that Fox News has fired the station manager and all who reported this insult to journalistic integrity?....

No he won't...it will not be mentioned at all....ever..and it was no mistake...

green917

(442 posts)
46. Where the hell is the fcc?
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:42 PM
Dec 2014

Howard Stern gets fined thousands of dollars for saying the word fuck over the air but these clowns can simply manufacture their own propaganda? That doesn't make any sense to me. Once upon a time, creating and disseminating propaganda was a crime.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
51. If only average individuals had Gawker on their side
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 05:50 AM
Dec 2014

This sort of cutting/splicing/manipulation happens all the time. Fox only apologized because Gawker made a big deal out of it. Most of the time, however, reporters get away with it.

There needs to be some sort of official watchdog group or ethics body that normal people can complain to without having to get a lawyer or have connections to Gawker.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
57. the media fix was started in the lead up to 2000
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:55 AM
Dec 2014

Hearst discovered the power and we have been suffering for hundreds of years with media as master .

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