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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:34 PM Dec 2014

Terrified of the NYPD: A Weimar-y Vibe

I'm sure our oligarchs would never allow our democracy to be undermined.

http://coreyrobin.com/2014/12/22/a-weimar-y-vibe/

A Weimar-y Vibe
Corey Robin
December 22, 2014

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On Saturday, a gunman shot and killed two police officers at close range in the Bedford Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn.

The murders come on the heels of weeks of protest in New York (and elsewhere) against the rampant lawlessness and brutality of the police.

Instantly, the police and their defenders moved into high gear, blaming the murders on the protesters; NYC Mayor Bill De Blasio, who had been gesturing toward the need for police reform; and US Attorney General Eric Holder. Many have called for the mayor’s resignation.

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I had heard that that statement was not in fact from the PBA, but now I can’t find anything definitive about it. In any event, it gives you a flavor of what Greg Grandin is calling a “cop coup” in New York. It’s a strong term, but it’s hard not to conclude that the mayor believes his first duty is not to the security and well-being of the people of New York but to the security and well-being of the NYPD. Because the fate of his administration is in their hands.

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The entire New York City establishment—not just De Blasio, but political, cultural, and economic elites—is terrified (or in support) of the cops. With the exception of this fairly cautious statement from Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams, himself a former police captain, not one of these figures has spoken out against the Freikorps-ish rhetoric emanating from the NYPD. It’s not that these men and women are spineless or gutless in a psychological or personal sense. It’s worse: They’re politically frightened, which is far more dangerous. Because they have no sense of an alternative base or source of power. After decades of being whipsawed by capital—you could trace this rot all the way back to 1975, if not even further—they’re simply not prepared to take on the police. Even if they wanted to.

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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
2. How to Survive a Cop Coup: What Bill de Blasio Can Learn From Ecuador
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 05:31 PM
Dec 2014

Hard to imagine a US politician doing this.

https://www.thenation.com/blog/193457/how-survive-cop-coup-what-bill-de-blasio-can-learn-ecuador

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But de Blasio has a model other than Dinkins he could follow. In late 2010, Ecuador’s president faced down a cop revolt and won, emerging even stronger and more popular.

Nominally the police protest was about pay and grades, but it was led by cops with ties to a right-wing opposition party. Cops poured into Quito’s streets, taking over the National Assembly building. Similar police protests spread to other cities, with police supporters blocking roads and shutting the country down leading Rafael Correa to declare a state of emergency.

Correa was the opposite of conciliatory: he headed straight to Quito’s main police barracks. And just like the NY cops who turned their back on de Blasio last night, the cops in Quito engaged in symbolic action meant to delegitimize Correa. The president then launched a confrontational speech: he loosened his tie, opened his shirt, repeatedly pointing to his chest and saying: “You want to kill the president, here he is. Kill me, if you want to. Kill me if you are brave enough!” (a good example of how politics, in Latin America, is still Jacobin, unmediated and taking place in the public square). Tear gas was fired, with the canisters nearly hitting Correa and his wife, who had to retreat to a nearby hospital.

Finance and resource-extraction capital were quick to try to leverage the crisis, with financial experts blaming the unrest on Correa’s rejection of the logic of austerity. “The [government] finally realizes that maybe their current spending could not continue,” said a portfolio manager at Federated Investors. Correa had already defaulted on billions of dollars in bond debt passed on to him from his predecessors. “Illegitimate,” Correa called that debt. And Ecuador was at that moment also negotiating higher taxes on foreign oil companies.

The cop coup almost worked. A number of traditional left parties had by that point become alienated from Correa over a number of issues, and the urban “middle class” was almost buying the argument, pushed by oligarch-controlled media, that Correa was “authoritarian” and a “dictator.” But the president’s defiant stand gave his supporters time to organize counter-demonstrations. Most of the army, which extracted Correa from the cop-besieged hospital, stayed loyal. And Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina and the rest of South America made it clear they wouldn’t tolerate Correa’s ouster. Eight people were killed and nearly 300 wounded in the police riot.

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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. Correa is very courageous man. We do not have such people in power in this country.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:32 PM
Dec 2014

But you have to remember, that his people remember what a police state looks like and do not wish to return to that.

He is one of the most popular leaders in Latin America and rightly so.

That whole police coup attempt would have scared any of our politicians out of their wits. However, the American people are not as opposed to a police state as the people of Ecuador are at this point.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
6. They have enormous power. When the PBA went after Giuliani...
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:24 PM
Dec 2014
"Giuliani has wrapped himself firmly in the cloak of 9/11 for his own political purposes. But the real heroes of 9/11, those who helped to evacuate those towers and lived to tell the tale and all those who participated in the recovery and cleanup, know the truth. Rudy Giuliani has no real credentials as a terrorism fighter. His only credentials lie in managing the cleanup after a terror attack. The New York City Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association could never support Rudy Giuliani for any elected office." -PBA


http://gothamist.com/2007/11/13/this_time_the_p.php

When the PBA went after Dinkins (!):

Many officers wore T-shirts saying "Dinkins Must Go!" Hundreds carried hand-painted signs with sayings like "Dear Mayor, have you hugged a drug dealer today," "Dinkins, We Know Your True Color -- Yellow Bellied."

At 10:50 A.M., a few demonstrators chanting "Take the hall! Take the hall!" flooded over the barriers and into the parking lot in front of City Hall, meeting no resistance from the police on guard. Cheering and screaming, thousands of others poured through from every side of the park and seethed up the hall steps. Some mounted automobiles and began a raucous demonstration, denting the cars.

While the rowdier demonstrators refused to leave the City Hall area, most of the group crowded onto Murray Street between Church Street and Broadway, where they listened to sharply worded speeches from Mr. Caruso, Mr. Giuliani and, finally, Michael O'Keefe, the officer who was cleared by a grand jury recently in the shooting death of a Dominican man in Washington Heights. Many officers flooded the bars along Murray Street and drank openly on the street during the speeches. Bridge Blocked

At 11:40 A.M., several thousand of the officers in front of City Hall marched onto the Brooklyn Bridge, again meeting no resistance, while others joined the rally on Murray Street. Ten minutes later, the bridge was blocked in both directions with more than 2,000 officers milling on both roadways. They blocked traffic until about 12:20, when the crowd began to dissipate.


http://www.nytimes.com/1992/09/17/nyregion/officers-rally-and-dinkins-is-their-target.html

De Blasio is well aware of this.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. If the PBO said that about Giuliani they were right. He loved the cops however
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:59 AM
Dec 2014

so I'm surprised that they would have criticized him at all, they loved HIM.

What they did to Dinkens however was unconscionable.

So yes, they do have a lot of power, but I'm skeptical about the Giuliani comment, it doesn't fit with his love for the NYPD.

Giuliani was a corrupt, weak, incompetent moron. I could not believe when I saw the country giving him credit for anything re 9/11. He had been claiming there was 'no threat to this city' for years, when he was warned that a threat might be imminent.

Just like Bush, he ignored all warnings about an attack.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
10. They said it and it wasn't the first time.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:05 PM
Dec 2014

An earlier clash with Rudy "911" Giuliani:

"Absolutely not," he said. But the mayor fired his own shot across the PBA's bow last week, raising for the first time the prospects of reducing police personnel by 1,000 officers, through attrition. He also warned that enactment of the PERB bill could force him to consider "much more serious" reductions in the Police Department's strength. Democrats are cheering the fracas from the sidelines, hoping the PBA will do to Giuliani what it did to Dinkins in the last mayoral race. Dinkins had accused the PBA and Giuliani of helping foment what he called a "police riot" during a raucus demonstration against Dinkins near City Hall in 1992. While the PBA never formally endorsed Giuliani during the mayoral campaign, the union paid for ads bashing Dinkins as weak on crime. "It has enormous implications," said Hank Morris, a Democratic consultant. "Giuliani became mayor by an inch. He has less support everywhere . . . and the PBA represents the very foundation of his base of support.


http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/irate-pba-give-rudy-blues-article-1.727198

The other quote is from a PBA statement released by Patrick Lynch in 2007 (during Rudy's exploration of a 2008 prez run) here:

http://gothamist.com/2007/11/13/this_time_the_p.php

There was also a campaign in 1997 to exclude Giuliani from police funerals.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/12/22/new_york_police_union_past_mayors_attacks_on_all_parties.html


de Blasio is like a hostage now. They can make him say whatever they want.
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