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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts) Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:32 PM Dec 2014

If the internet outage in North Korea was a cyber attack by the US

do you support President Obama's decision to authorize the response?

A) Yes. Without reservation.

B) Yes. So long as there are no serious repercussions against the US, its citizens, allies and/or interests

C) Nyha-nyah-nyah! What cyber attack? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

D) Maybe. If the response was properly vetted through the international community

E) No. The risk of escalation with a regime as unpredictable as NK is too high

F) No. Retaliation is never the answer

G) No. America has no business attacking other nations, even if only electronically

H) No. The evidence is too flimsy

I) Other (please explain)

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If the internet outage in North Korea was a cyber attack by the US (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 OP

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA tradewinds Dec 2014 #1

Get your ass off the keyboard please. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #25

Sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I've been eeeeeeeeeeeating ccccarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmallllllllll cooo tradewinds Dec 2014 #27

I think that you need to edit your OP to turn it into a poll. nt TexasTowelie Dec 2014 #2

That would require a paid account. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #4

It would be an act of war. nichomachus Dec 2014 #3

Even so........AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA tradewinds Dec 2014 #5

Probably, but then again some may consider threats of violence by a foreign government Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #6

I don't know why posters here don't get that helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #23

It's a moot point now that we know it was all a publicity stunt. PSPS Dec 2014 #7

Looking more and more like it was a publicity stunt. Sony and Regal Theaters are hiding something. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #9

That' a hell of an accusation helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #13

What? helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #11

Proving a negative, you know what they say about folks demanding to prove a negative? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #15

Yeah , it's called talking out your a### helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #17

Sorry you suffer from such a painful affliction. Try using your mouth, attach it to some neurons. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #20

As I thought helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #26

'IT WAS A DISGRUNTLED SONY INSIDER, OUT FOR REVENGE' WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2014 #30

Cyber attack? Bah. I say we nuke the bastards! dissentient Dec 2014 #8

Merry Christmas and nuking a country are kind of contradictory, sarcastic or not. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #10

You don't say. dissentient Dec 2014 #14

As I understand it... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #12

That makes sense. How many could afford it or access, and those that can might as well be in a glass bubble, Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #16

I doubt it was us. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #18

I doubt it was us. It was hackers around the world having fun with the Korean internet system. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #21

Yes, probably. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #22

And who is more proportional and measured than Obama? Nope, not us. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #24

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2014 #19

Fire, I bid you to burn seveneyes Dec 2014 #28

No (nt) bigwillq Dec 2014 #29

F. i do believe the answer is F. 0rganism Dec 2014 #31

tradewinds

(260 posts)

1. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:35 PM

Dec 2014

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

25. Get your ass off the keyboard please.

Reply to tradewinds (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:11 PM

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tradewinds

(260 posts)

27. Sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I've been eeeeeeeeeeeating ccccarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmallllllllll cooo

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:14 PM

Dec 2014

rrrrrn at myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ddddddddddddddessk......................

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)

2. I think that you need to edit your OP to turn it into a poll. nt

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:35 PM

Dec 2014

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

4. That would require a paid account.

Reply to TexasTowelie (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:37 PM

Dec 2014

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)

3. It would be an act of war.

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:35 PM

Dec 2014

Just the same as if China or Russia crippled the Internet in the US.

tradewinds

(260 posts)

5. Even so........AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Reply to nichomachus (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:38 PM

Dec 2014

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

6. Probably, but then again some may consider threats of violence by a foreign government

Reply to nichomachus (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:39 PM

Dec 2014

in order to suppress a film to be an act of war.

So, assuming the outage was deliberate on the part of the US, do you support PBO's decision?

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)

23. I don't know why posters here don't get that

Reply to nichomachus (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:09 PM

Dec 2014

Imagine if Putin ordered a cyber attack on the U.S

PSPS

(13,603 posts)

7. It's a moot point now that we know it was all a publicity stunt.

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:40 PM

Dec 2014

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

9. Looking more and more like it was a publicity stunt. Sony and Regal Theaters are hiding something.

Reply to PSPS (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:47 PM

Dec 2014

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)

13. That' a hell of an accusation

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:54 PM

Dec 2014

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)

11. What?

Reply to PSPS (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:51 PM

Dec 2014

Is there proof NK wasn't involved ?

Or is there proof Sony and NK was in cahoots?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

15. Proving a negative, you know what they say about folks demanding to prove a negative?

Reply to helpmetohelpyou (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:56 PM

Dec 2014

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)

17. Yeah , it's called talking out your a###

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:59 PM

Dec 2014

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

20. Sorry you suffer from such a painful affliction. Try using your mouth, attach it to some neurons.

Reply to helpmetohelpyou (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:05 PM

Dec 2014

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)

26. As I thought

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:11 PM

Dec 2014

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)

30. 'IT WAS A DISGRUNTLED SONY INSIDER, OUT FOR REVENGE'

Reply to PSPS (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:51 PM

Dec 2014

What If North Korea Didn’t Hack Sony?: 4 Alternate Theories

Just watched Marc Rogers of CloudFlare interviewed on the PBS News Hour. Granted, I haven't followed this story as closely as others, but disgruntled Sony insider wouldn't surprise me. Nor would publicity stunt.

dissentient

(861 posts)

8. Cyber attack? Bah. I say we nuke the bastards!

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:46 PM

Dec 2014

That will learn 'em not to mess with our movies!

God bless America! And Merry Christmas!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

10. Merry Christmas and nuking a country are kind of contradictory, sarcastic or not.

Reply to dissentient (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:48 PM

Dec 2014

dissentient

(861 posts)

14. You don't say.

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:56 PM

Dec 2014

yuiyoshida

(41,833 posts)

12. As I understand it...

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:51 PM

Dec 2014

Only a select few have access to the internet in Pyongyang. The rest of North Korea barely has electricity. In North Korea, a potato would be prized more, than a computer. If I remember from the video I saw once on North Korea, there were only like three offices that had limited access to the internet. From what they showed, there had to be about 40 people who had access...and all were authorized by Kim Jong Il. All were monitored, and their internet destinations were monitored.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

16. That makes sense. How many could afford it or access, and those that can might as well be in a glass bubble,

Reply to yuiyoshida (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 06:58 PM

Dec 2014

If the so taking down their internet is a fraction of the impact in America of such a thing.

It is a dictatorship I heard after all. An actual one.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)

18. I doubt it was us.

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:00 PM

Dec 2014

It was probably just an opportunistic move by independents who disliked Kim Jong Un's attitude.

I would like to think a move by this administration would be a lot cooler. You know, like replacing all North Korean internet pages with trailers for The Interview. Just a run-of-the-mill DDOS seems a bit bland.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

21. I doubt it was us. It was hackers around the world having fun with the Korean internet system.

Reply to True Blue Door (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:07 PM

Dec 2014

Hackers from South .Korea, remember them, might have more interest than the government of America stepping in to defend a movie company.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)

22. Yes, probably.

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:09 PM

Dec 2014

And taking out the North Korean internet is actually not remotely "proportional" to the scale of what they did - it's pretty lame. I don't see it being us.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

24. And who is more proportional and measured than Obama? Nope, not us.

Reply to True Blue Door (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:09 PM

Dec 2014

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

19. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:03 PM

Dec 2014

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)

28. Fire, I bid you to burn

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:15 PM

Dec 2014

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)

29. No (nt)

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:38 PM

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0rganism

(23,958 posts)

31. F. i do believe the answer is F.

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 07:56 PM

Dec 2014

"F) No. Retaliation is never the answer"
not so much because retaliation is never an answer, but it is seldom if ever the answer.
in this day and age, taking down internet for an entire nation as a retaliatory response reeks of collective punishment and is categorically wrong.

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