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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/23/when-asked-to-sort-girls-and-boys-gifts-obama-destroys-toy-gender-stereotypes-video/When Asked To Sort Girls And Boys Gifts, Obama Destroys Toy Gender Stereotypes
Author: Kerry-Anne December 23, 2014 11:02 am
Video/slide show @ link~
President and Michelle Obama were sorting toys into girls and boys bins for the Marines Toys for Tots program earlier this month when the President tackled toy-gender stereotypes in true Obama fashion.
First Lady Michelle Obama brought along a special helper to Joint Base Anacostia-Bolling in Washington, D.C. this year.
Between them, the pair delivered about 1,000 toys from the Presidents staff to the U.S. Marine Corps Toys for Tots campaign, an annual holiday toy drive.
But then things got even more adorable. The President started putting the sports and the science toys into the girls bin. Placing a basketball into the bin, Obama says:
A person from the crowd queries his decision to put legos in the girls, rather than the boys collection because they might not like them. The President responds:
As he continues to sort, he comes across a T-Ball set.
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Conservatives may argue this administration has launched a war on Christmas. But with such programs, progressive attitudes and just plain human warmth on display, it seems to this writer that the Obamas have Christmas spirit in abundance.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)I wish he could be President 500 times!
freeplessinseattle
(3,508 posts)He sure knows how to get my Obama glow going time after time!
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)President for life!
Sister to TxTowelie
(117 posts)I'm hoping his presidential legacy is as awesome in a few years.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)Hope I'm still around to see/hear about it.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Think where we'd be on energy if he'd served a second term and Reagan hadn't ripped the solar panels off the White House roof. Perfect Republican analogy.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)But yeah, he has a heart. That counts for a lot=)
sakabatou
(42,159 posts)Getting rid of the pink/blue "shell."
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)with boys playing with dolls or girls playing with toy trucks, but I would encourage them to pick up a ball, a golf club, a tennis racket, etc.
Being active is something they can use throughout their lives.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Thumbs up President Obama. He sounds like an excellent father for his girls from this story.
Too bad the boys only got crappy pink princesses and baby dolls
loudsue
(14,087 posts)and they might grow up to be the biggest fashion designers in the business.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I just think the packaging and the design of those things are often cloying and over the top. I was shocked to be shopping for my relatives and hit the "wall of pink" that was supposed to be the girls' aisle. Some of the toys were things like Barbie Goes Shopping or other strange things that to me don't have a lot of educational or imaginative value. And it was so restrictive. No science sets, no sports, no puzzles or crafts, just dolls and fake phones or fake makeup. I also don't really like how macho they make some boys things either. I think gender stereotypes have gotten more extreme since the 80s which benefits no one except for the corporations selling that stuff.
I ended up getting my nephew a vintage EZ Bake oven instead because I think he'll love cooking. I bought my niece a gardening set so they can start a garden. I'm a nerd I guess. I'm also excited to do those activities with them, so maybe it's selfish. Oh well, I hope everyone has fun.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)spooky3
(34,461 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I really wish there wasn't a concept of boys toys vs girls toys. I played with both pretty equally growing up, although I prefered boys toys, but my sisters weren't so keen on playing with trucks and stuff so I played with them on their terms.
Triana
(22,666 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)To: "Does the toy operate on your genitals." But yeah that's awesome!
VWolf
(3,944 posts)Spazito
(50,377 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Love,
Hater
malaise
(269,067 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)She has a brand new one waiting for her under the Christmas tree. My other niece loves arts and sciences. She has tools, a sketch book and paint under the tree .
And me, their nerdy aunt? I have tools under the tree, too, and some parts I've been wanting. If you are waiting on me to ask for ... hell, what do girls and other women even ask for these days? I truly don't know. If it doesn't involve building something, refinishing something or making something, hell, I wouldn't know what to ask for.
Dolls and makeup, maybe? Thank heavens my nieces aren't weird girly girls!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)before this POTUS, his light shines bright. He is just so aware. I do like him.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Cha
(297,329 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Thanks, babylonsister!!!!
Oh man, ......love this guy. Love!
Initech
(100,083 posts)"Is your toy made for boys or girls? Do you use said toy with your genitalia? No? Then these toys are not gender specific."
babylonsister
(171,075 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Signed, a mom whose daughter has been passionately in love with Buzz Lightyear and all things science since she was a tot and cannot for the LIFE of her understand why toy companies act like girls like this don't exist
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Thanks for posting!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)What year is this again? THANK YOU Mr. President for showing some fairness toward children. HELL YES a girl would want to play with legos!
Triana
(22,666 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Very frustrating.
progressoid
(49,992 posts)Rarely played with the expensive dolls their grandmother thought they should have.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)equipment?
treestar
(82,383 posts)They should be able to do it without a lot of crap from people about how it makes him girly. that just shows society believes women's traditional things to be inferior.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Gender identification begins around preschool, when childrens brains are most susceptible to definitions of gender according to Lise Eliot, a neuroscientist and the author of Pink Brain, Blue Brain. And when youngsters enter the aisle labeled for girls, the only STEM options theyre really offered are chemistry sets that help create makeup or building blocks to construct pet grooming shops. (By contrast, boys chemistry kits usually allow them to create anything from icky goo to things that blow up to food.)
By the time kids reach third grade, theres a real divide between boys and girls when it comes to STEM-related ambitions. A 2009 poll by the American Society for Quality of children 8 to 17, 24 percent of boys said they were interested in a career engineering, but only five percent of girls said the same. And that gap continues with adults: Just 11% of engineers are womena fact that GoldieBloxs creators note prominently on their siteand only about a quarter of STEM degrees go to women and its not about aptitude. Several international studies have shown that the gender difference in math and science are a by-product of culture, not biology. But quantifying cultural influences is complicated. The United States has one of the biggest gender gaps in math and science scores, but its impossible to know how much of an effect changing the toy aisles would have. In parts of Asia for example, there are plenty of dolls in the stores, but theres a much smaller math gender gap for a host of other cultural reasons, like a better gender balance of teachers in schools.
We do know however that in the U.S. the pink aisle has gotten much more pink over the years. Global Toy Experts conducted a survey of 1,700 American moms three years ago asking them to compare the toys they played with growing up to those that their daughters were playing with today. They found a 25 percent drop across the board in girls playing with toys that would be considered gender-neutral or male (like construction or science kit toys).
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Toy stores werent always so gender-divided. According to Gottlieb, pink was not considered a girls color until the 1950s. Womens journals in the 1940s wrote that parents should dress their boys in pink because its a hot, expressive color; girls, they said, should be dressed in the calmer, cool blue.
But at this point, toy stores have been gender-coded for so long, that retailers now claim that changing the layout of the store would confuse and deter shoppers. Thats pretty stupid, Gottlieb says of that argument. Its habitual. Were chained to a retail system that was developed in the late 19th centurydividing girls and boys. I was in a Hong Kong department store, and the underwear department was co-ed. We in America assume those things must be separated by gender, but thats simply not true.
http://time.com/3281/goldie-blox-pink-aisle-debate/
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)A great read for parents with very young daughters.
As a father, once I was made aware of the divide I've done my best to combat it. My wife and I did pretty good until our kids started to get exposed more to general culture in preschool and kindergarten. Two years ago (before going to kindergarten) my daughters wanted nothing but toy dinosaurs and cars for christmas. Last year my youngest daughter wanted a toy snake. This year, they both are migrating towards princesses and dolls. Princesses and dolls are fine for them to like, but I'm nervous that this will pigeonhole them away from science and engineering things.
Anyways, with awareness, you can make sure that you continue to expose your daughters to science and engineering.
I know I'm giving in to the marketing and gender stereotyping by doing this, but I love the Lego products that are targeting girls with more pink and princesses. To a degree it makes it easy to present engineering toys to girls without them thinking that engineering is solely a boy's domain. For Christmas my two daughters will be getting a few "girly" Lego sets, but they also will be getting many more neutral city themed sets as well.
alp227
(32,036 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I think I am Obama's type of girl. Although I am the age of his mother.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Every xmas I see the gender stereotypes apple to gifts for nieces and nephews and it annoys me. This may turn out to be one of my very favorite moments in his presidency!
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)because he's not acting.
Hekate
(90,721 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)humor. He is the whole package.
Lunabell
(6,089 posts)but he is damned cool.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)My daughter has a bunch of Harry Potter sets, and I know a lot of other girls that like Legos as well.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)I have two girls, 12 and 14.
My eldest loves the architecture sets and has a lot of those coming this year
My youngest adores the Friends line with all of its stuff - because that's what she's into
My girlfriend prefers the City line with its buildings and cars
Her son has little interest in any of it
I'm all about the Star Wars and superhero stuff. When I was a kid, there were no licensed things but I used to do the spaceship stuff above all else.
Everyone is different. There's just more licensed stuff these days and that's what you usually see in the stores. The LEGO store itself is a bit different, a lot more variety, and a lot more blank slate stuff as well.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and I'm tempted to buy them for myself... same as the Lord of the Rings sets. Wish I had them as a kid
VWolf
(3,944 posts)They we like legos, but the pieces were "softer", more rounded and colorful.
Not sure how well it worked.
We bought a set for our daughters, FWIW. They played with them for a few hours, and that was it.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Lego, without a doubt, was my favorite childhood toy. I had tons of Technic sets from the late 80s and early 90s and a decent amount of the space and castle sets from the late 80s as a child. I played and played and played with Lego more than anything else for years.
My two daughters just turned 4 and 6 this fall. For her sixth birthday, I gave my oldest daughter a Lego "Friends" set. She had more fun putting that thing together than I expected and I think she likes building stuff more than playing with the stuff she builds. Her little sister sees her big sister playing with Lego and she wants her own Lego sets now. They are drawn towards the more "girly" sets, but they love to build all the same. I'm going to try to use the "girl" sets to springboard them towards the more neutral sets in the Lego "creator" and "city" line and eventually "technic". However, if playing with princess and "girl" themed Lego helps to get them to spark an interest in building and using the engineering parts of their brains, then I'm all for it.
When I open up my big old bucket of technic legos they go nuts trying to build cars and playing with gears and stuff. As a father, I see no reason why a girl can't be or isn't interested in building stuff, basic mechanical engineering, and using their brain.
I'm getting very off the point here, but selfishly some of the more advanced models offered in the "creator" line are a lot of fun to build. I loved the numerous details in the "Parisian Restaurant" set. I justified buying them for my kids, but they are just as much for me as they are for them (just don't tell my wife that part of my secret)!
I don't want to admit how much I spent on Lego this year for my daughters, but needless to say they will be getting a very robust collection under the Christmas tree tomorrow morning!
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)My daughter loved princess stuff in first grade, but by 3rd grade, she looked at princess toys/clothes with disdain. (Though, it seems like a lot of girls her age loved Frozen when it came out a year or a year and a half ago...)
My daughter had a few of the Lego friends sets, but put a lot more time & passion into the Harry Potter sets. And, now that she's in 7th grade, she's in the Lego Robotics club at school (unfortunately, one of only 4 girls out of 30 kids in the club...)
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)I read a study a while back the showed that children (both male and female) that played with extensively with lego toys were much more inclined towards careers in the fields of science and engineering than those who didn't.
Anecdotaly, I was always interesting in science and engineering, I got a degree in chemistry and I'm currently working as a chemist. The other female chemist I work with in my small lab also states that she played a lot with Lego as a child and (obviously) pursued a career in science as well.
A degree in science or engineering opens up many opportunities outside of those fields for a person and most people aren't even aware of it. For example, I briefly worked as a production manager in a warehouse for Amazon.com. I was in charge of people who put books in boxes. As a prerequisite for the job, they only wanted applicants that had a background in science or engineering. The upper level management jobs in the company are mostly filled by people who at one time held my job and, as a result of men being more likely to hold a degree in science or engineering, those jobs are mostly filled by men.
As I'm sure your aware, mechanical aptitude has nothing to do with the genitals between your legs. Good career opportunities start with what kids are exposed to when they are young. However, I'm sure I don't need to convince you of any of that.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And in fact, having older brothers now too old for their toys, they play with all the boys' former toys. They have them, so they play with them.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Over the Christmas break we'll be constructing a convection model of ocean currents to model the changes that might occur in the global ocean conveyor belt if the ice caps retreat and water temperatures rise.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Good for them.
brendan120678
(2,490 posts)If not, why?
frazzled
(18,402 posts)in the first place. So, no, probably not.
My son used to play with my daughter's doll house when he was little. It wasn't pink, but still, what's wrong with that?
brendan120678
(2,490 posts)States the President was breaking down gender stereotypes, while really it just sounds like he was putting some gender-neural and athletic toys into the girls bin.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Though I'm not saying President Obama was thinking that.
But what has feminism been but women wanting what men have? Men have resisted that. Few have shown they want what women had traditionally.
I remember my nephews were being so cute as toddlers, playing Daddy to Ernie and Elmo. They came in to tell us adults to be quiet because Ernie and Elmo were in bed! Dads are more active in this generation, so they had the example.
Iris
(15,660 posts)maced666
(771 posts)Whoever follows him in office I pity.
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)hollysmom
(5,946 posts)as kids, my sister and I were constantly given dolls, we had a ton of dolls, somewhere there is a picture of us with our dolls and stuffed animals all around us. So when I was 10 my parents had a boy and he got erector sets, chemistry sets, etc. Well, my parents did not know what to do with them for 10 years, so we were allowed to play with them and we had a blast! My sister took the chem set and I took the erector set and we made stuff.
As girls, we were expected to go to work as secretaries and get rich husbands, not to college. But we both got scholarships and went, my parents had great hopes we would be teachers and get rich husbands. We went into typical male jobs and were successful.
My brothers were not allowed to play with G I Joe because it was a doll and had no interest in anything they could not use as a weapon or drive. I even bought then the magnavox first video game (for over $100 in the 60's) and they had no interest at all. They refused to go to college because they wanted money for hot girls and fast cars and drugs. raise them to stereo types - some take, some don't.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)i really like that! You can tell he has daughters.