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Cha

(297,624 posts)
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 12:04 AM Dec 2014

Obama And De Blasio Have Always Condemned Violence Against Police, Right-Wing Media Is Lying To You

Many of us already know what Giuliani, Pataki, National Review, Britebart etc have said about the deaths of Officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu being the direct fault of President Obama and Mayor de Blasio.. but if you don't.. it's at the link. In the interest of rationed paragraphs I'm posting what the President and the Mayor of NYC have stated in regard to violence against police officers or any kind of violence..

Now, what did Mayor de Blasio and President Obama ACTUALLY say?

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Back on November 24th, President Obama, as he addressed the nation after the non-indictment decision in the Michael Brown case, said:

Understand, our police officers put their lives on the line for us every single day. They’ve got a tough job to do to maintain public safety and hold accountable those who break the law. As they do their jobs in the coming days, they need to work with the community, not against the community, to distinguish the handful of people who may use the grand jury’s decision as an excuse for violence.”

He also said:

Those of you who are watching tonight understand that there’s never an excuse for violence, particularly when there are a lot of people in goodwill out there who are willing to work on these issues.”

The following day President Obama condemned violence again:

“There are productive ways of responding and expressing those frustrations and there are destructive ways of responding. Burning buildings, torching cars, destroying property, putting people at risk. That’s destructive and there’s no excuse for it. Those are criminal acts.”

On December 17th Mayor de Blasio said:

“You cannot talk about social change and then commit an act of violence against a police officer. It makes no sense. It denigrates the cause. It undermines the legitimacy. It’s illegal, it’s wrong, it’s immoral.”

Again on the 19th, a day before the killing of the officers, said:

“This is what our democracy allows for, is people to make their voices heard peacefully, in an organized way – and that’s what this group and others have been doing. I made very clear that we cannot accept any violence against our police officers or against anyone. And they were very quick to affirm that they were appalled equally by the events on Saturday night. They find it unacceptable and they will work with the police to identify anyone who seeks to harm the police or harm anyone and undermine their non-violent peaceful progressive movement.”

MOre..
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/22/obama-and-de-blasio-have-always-condemned-violence-against-police-right-wing-media-is-lying-to-you/

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Obama And De Blasio Have Always Condemned Violence Against Police, Right-Wing Media Is Lying To You (Original Post) Cha Dec 2014 OP
Kick 'cause I want this to be known.. many here know it but there are people who Cha Dec 2014 #1
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It's the latest version of the stab-in-the-back myth, first popularized by the right in KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #4
Exactly KingCharlemagne! thank you. Cha Dec 2014 #5
K Cha Dec 2014 #6
KICK Cha Dec 2014 #7
Great tweet about DiBlasio mcar Dec 2014 #8
I know, mcar.. it was right to the heart of the matter! Cha Dec 2014 #11
It like I've been saying.... Stellar Dec 2014 #9
It's like they've got their brain locked into fox "news" and its ilk & that's all they need. "More Cha Dec 2014 #14
That's 'troofers' for ya! freshwest Dec 2014 #37
YOu got it freshwest! Happy Holidays! Cha Dec 2014 #38
k&r.... spanone Dec 2014 #10
Mahalo spanone.. Cha Dec 2014 #16
how many times he spoke out against violent confrontation ... all ignored by the right-wing napkinz Dec 2014 #12
That's why I think it's so important to get facts like this out there, napkinz! Thank you! Cha Dec 2014 #18
thank you for sharing them ... what's sad is, the MSM has failed to get the facts out there napkinz Dec 2014 #25
That's par for the course of the US corporate media.. they toe the corporate bullshit line bc that's Cha Dec 2014 #26
I would love to think Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell read DU and napkinz Dec 2014 #30
Good thought, napkinz.. that would be great! I have no idea if they've mentioned this or not.. Cha Dec 2014 #31
I could be wrong but I don't think either has addressed THIS aspect of the story napkinz Dec 2014 #49
I hope so.. it is a very important for the people across the country to know and get the details. Cha Dec 2014 #54
if only we could get ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN to cover this important aspect of the story napkinz Dec 2014 #63
Worst case scenario nightmare.. and we're living it! Thanks Deborah Turness.. nbc "news" head. Cha Dec 2014 #64
to think, they wanted Jon Stewart to replace David Gregory on "Meet The Press" napkinz Dec 2014 #65
That's really mind blowing even if they never stood a chance. So they got the opposite of Jon Cha Dec 2014 #66
I think Todd's days are numbered ... hmmm ... who is available? napkinz Dec 2014 #67
Yeah, but does he want to retire or go crazy with a high pressure job? Assuming the suits at nbc Cha Dec 2014 #68
I think he wants to spend more time with his son Harry napkinz Dec 2014 #69
Makes total sense. It will be interesting to see how Colbert does in his new role as the Late Show Cha Dec 2014 #70
I'm sure he'll do very well napkinz Dec 2014 #80
It is amazing.. nine years as a such a good fake con.. that one year he gets invited to the bush Cha Dec 2014 #84
You're Welcome, napkinz.. Thank you for being so helpful! Cha Dec 2014 #58
It is important to get the facts out WillTwain Dec 2014 #52
MSM truly incites violence and hatred and is bent upon our destruction. freshwest Dec 2014 #40
Exactly. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #13
Thank you she~ Well said.. "That makes them the ones that are inciting the hate, the misinformation Cha Dec 2014 #20
this is a good man, who acknowledged the dangerous job the police have, who spoke out against napkinz Dec 2014 #15
Precious pic, napkinz.. thank you, sweetie! Those attacking the Mayor and the President are doing Cha Dec 2014 #22
nothing but venom .. that's it napkinz Dec 2014 #27
Thank you for the link, napkinz.. Very IMportant Information on the Hypocrisy of the GOPropaganda Cha Dec 2014 #29
KICKAGE! MrScorpio Dec 2014 #17
Mahalo Mr Scorpio! Cha Dec 2014 #24
Kickety, Cha. Hekate Dec 2014 #19
Mahalo Hekate.. Cha Dec 2014 #28
When isnt Right Wing media lying? n/t 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #21
Yes, those who counteract with facts have a neverending job, Riverside Cha Dec 2014 #32
Every time they talk, blog or post on a website Boomerproud Dec 2014 #60
I don‘t doubt the GOP has been dying applegrove Dec 2014 #23
Good point, applegrove.. and they don't care how much violence they incite to do it. :( Cha Dec 2014 #33
'The bigger the heart, the larger the target.' Haters want to destroy the good-hearted among us. freshwest Dec 2014 #41
Yes, fresh. It's so blatantly evil and these assholes want to be POTUS. Cha Dec 2014 #42
Thank you! Cha Dec 2014 #34
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K&R to the stars. Thanks, Cha. freshwest Dec 2014 #36
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Kick Right-Wing Media Is Lying.....what's new n/t bobGandolf Dec 2014 #44
The only thing to do is set the facts straight and hope truth will out, bob. Cha Dec 2014 #45
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The right wing media is why we have so much hate in our country right now madokie Dec 2014 #47
You and I are exactly on the same page with that, madokie! Thank you for saying Cha Dec 2014 #48
^^^^THIS^^^^ Hutzpa Dec 2014 #51
Exactly Hutzpa.. and look how far the US "media" has gone in abusing its power. Cha Dec 2014 #56
What gets me is how much they're in 'your face they are about it too' madokie Dec 2014 #61
Thanks for the updates.. I would be tossing my tv. I had to stop watching in Nov 2002.. and haven't Cha Dec 2014 #62
KICK! napkinz Dec 2014 #50
Thanks! Cha Dec 2014 #57
K&R. Thank Goddess facts still matter ont his forum. great white snark Dec 2014 #53
Yes, they matter to some people on this forum, great white snark! Cha Dec 2014 #59
KICK rbrnmw Dec 2014 #55
mahalo rbrnmw! Cha Dec 2014 #72
K'n'R ucrdem Dec 2014 #71
I know that one from Downton Abbey.. it's when all the Cha Dec 2014 #73
knew I should have watched that LOL!! ucrdem Dec 2014 #74
Yeah, all kinds of history.. silly me, I always thought boxing day had to do with pugilists.. not Cha Dec 2014 #75
Me too... ucrdem Dec 2014 #76
KICK Cha Dec 2014 #77
.. Cha Dec 2014 #78
Great post Gothmog Dec 2014 #79
Thanks Gothmog! fox "news" distorts and US corporate media in general manipulates on a daily basis. Cha Dec 2014 #83
Night is day in the Fokkkx Empire. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #81
Just another night is day at the KKK HQ Cha Dec 2014 #85
... napkinz Dec 2014 #82
Thank you, napkinz! Did you see this?.. Cha Dec 2014 #86
yes, and here ... napkinz Dec 2014 #87
YES and by the WaPo! But, this is from Bradblog in 2007 thanks to pinboy.. Cha Dec 2014 #88
America's Mayor! napkinz Dec 2014 #89
America's Lying Mayor. Cha Dec 2014 #90
kick napkinz Dec 2014 #91

Cha

(297,624 posts)
1. Kick 'cause I want this to be known.. many here know it but there are people who
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 12:08 AM
Dec 2014

come here just to check it out.. might learn something.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
4. It's the latest version of the stab-in-the-back myth, first popularized by the right in
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 12:18 AM
Dec 2014

Germany following her defeat in World War I, next deployed by the right to explain the American loss in Vietnam and southeast Asia and now brought into the present. As with the earlier iterations, this latest version of the stab-in-the-back has nothing to do with reality -- as your post amply demonstrates -- but everything to do with resentment (and crass opportunism).

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
9. It like I've been saying....
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 12:36 AM
Dec 2014

some people will only believe what FOX or any right-wing media tells them. They are not even going to believe their own lying eyes or ears.

Cha

(297,624 posts)
14. It's like they've got their brain locked into fox "news" and its ilk & that's all they need. "More
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 12:51 AM
Dec 2014

mainlining please." .. I call them fox "truthers".

Happy Holidays, Stellar!

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
12. how many times he spoke out against violent confrontation ... all ignored by the right-wing
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 12:45 AM
Dec 2014

And shame on the MSM.

His message was clear, again and again. I understand the frustration. But refrain from violence!

Instead the MSM ignored his pleas and has given voice to the far-right demagogues blaming the mayor for the deaths of the police officers.














Cha

(297,624 posts)
18. That's why I think it's so important to get facts like this out there, napkinz! Thank you!
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 01:00 AM
Dec 2014

And, like the Tweet said.. the only thing Mayor de Blasio did was talk responsibly to his son. Besides speak out against Police Violence, that is!

Thank you!

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
25. thank you for sharing them ... what's sad is, the MSM has failed to get the facts out there
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 01:28 AM
Dec 2014

the people blaming the president and mayor need to be CHALLENGED ... they need to have those quotes read to them



Cha

(297,624 posts)
26. That's par for the course of the US corporate media.. they toe the corporate bullshit line bc that's
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 01:34 AM
Dec 2014

what they do. Propaganda Pushers.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
30. I would love to think Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell read DU and
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 01:54 AM
Dec 2014

see your thread and cover this important story on their shows!

I can see Rachel reading quote after quote and saying, "Hey, Pat Lynch, what part of 'no violence against police' don't you understand?"




Cha

(297,624 posts)
31. Good thought, napkinz.. that would be great! I have no idea if they've mentioned this or not..
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:04 AM
Dec 2014

but it would make an brilliant factual report for the reality based viewers!

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
49. I could be wrong but I don't think either has addressed THIS aspect of the story
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 10:47 AM
Dec 2014

I think their focus has been on the details of the tragedy ... what happened (Brinsley going to Baltimore and shooting his ex-girlfriend, then taking a bus to Brooklyn, shooting and killing the officers, then killing himself in the subway station), Brinsley's criminal history, biographies of and tributes to officers Ramos and Liu, the outrage over the executions, and yes the inflammatory rhetoric of many on the right.

But I don't think they had done a story challenging that rhetoric. (It's been only a few days since the killings, and there has been so much to cover about this story.)

So perhaps after the holidays, when MSNBC resumes its regular programing, Rachel and Lawrence will take up challenging that inflammatory rhetoric as you have so wonderfully done. I hope they do because it needs to be done.




Cha

(297,624 posts)
54. I hope so.. it is a very important for the people across the country to know and get the details.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 04:28 PM
Dec 2014

Thank You!

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
63. if only we could get ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN to cover this important aspect of the story
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 06:37 PM
Dec 2014

if only if he were still with us ...





but we're stuck with the likes of ...













Cha

(297,624 posts)
64. Worst case scenario nightmare.. and we're living it! Thanks Deborah Turness.. nbc "news" head.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 06:41 PM
Dec 2014

Kick For Walter Cronkite! Mahalo napkinz~

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
65. to think, they wanted Jon Stewart to replace David Gregory on "Meet The Press"
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 05:01 AM
Dec 2014

then I would have started watching it again!



Cha

(297,624 posts)
66. That's really mind blowing even if they never stood a chance. So they got the opposite of Jon
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 05:07 AM
Dec 2014

Stewart!

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
67. I think Todd's days are numbered ... hmmm ... who is available?
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 05:12 AM
Dec 2014

David Letterman is leaving "The Late Show" in March!

We want Dave!









Cha

(297,624 posts)
68. Yeah, but does he want to retire or go crazy with a high pressure job? Assuming the suits at nbc
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 05:24 AM
Dec 2014

would even consider him?

Cha

(297,624 posts)
70. Makes total sense. It will be interesting to see how Colbert does in his new role as the Late Show
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 05:38 AM
Dec 2014

Host!

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
80. I'm sure he'll do very well
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 02:19 PM
Dec 2014

For nine years we saw only the character he played so brilliantly. We'll miss that character but in his new role as host of the Late Show, he'll get to show the real Stephen Colbert (and I think we'll be surprised to learn of the many talents he has.)


Cha

(297,624 posts)
84. It is amazing.. nine years as a such a good fake con.. that one year he gets invited to the bush
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 08:33 PM
Dec 2014

WHCD and made them all sorry they didn't get him!

 

WillTwain

(1,489 posts)
52. It is important to get the facts out
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:29 PM
Dec 2014

calling out the right-wing media and thier endless spin is a full-time job.

Peace.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
40. MSM truly incites violence and hatred and is bent upon our destruction.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:44 AM
Dec 2014

It takes a special kind of evil to gleefully promote the deadly things they cheer on and the good things and people they jeer at, real living people and things. That is what they do, across the spectrum.

sheshe2

(83,886 posts)
13. Exactly.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 12:46 AM
Dec 2014
As they do their jobs in the coming days, they need to work with the community, not against the community


Anyone saying the President and Mayor are condoning violence instead of condemning it are lying liars. That makes them the ones that are inciting the hate, the misinformation and yes, the violence as well!

Thanks for making it plain and simple for anyone that might not understand the facts, Cha.

Cha

(297,624 posts)
20. Thank you she~ Well said.. "That makes them the ones that are inciting the hate, the misinformation
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 01:04 AM
Dec 2014
and yes, the violence as well!"



napkinz

(17,199 posts)
15. this is a good man, who acknowledged the dangerous job the police have, who spoke out against
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 12:54 AM
Dec 2014

violent confrontation with police ... and who loves his son






those attacking the mayor are way off base


Cha

(297,624 posts)
22. Precious pic, napkinz.. thank you, sweetie! Those attacking the Mayor and the President are doing
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 01:18 AM
Dec 2014

so because they're gutless pols who have nothing but venom running through their veins.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
27. nothing but venom .. that's it
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 01:44 AM
Dec 2014

They are driven by hate. Facts mean nothing to them.

There's a ton of hypocrisy here.

I posted a thread about another incident where two police officers were shot and killed.

But these officers were murdered by a white male who happened to be a member of the Tea Party and Bundy militia. And there was no outrage, no explosive media coverage. And what's crazy, no one blamed the groups he was associated with, when in FACT it was the ideology of those groups that spurred the murder of those two officers. There were no cries of "the Tea Party has blood on its hands."

talk about hypocrisy and double standard!

you can see the story here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025996500



Cha

(297,624 posts)
29. Thank you for the link, napkinz.. Very IMportant Information on the Hypocrisy of the GOPropaganda
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 01:50 AM
Dec 2014

Machine.

Boomerproud

(7,964 posts)
60. Every time they talk, blog or post on a website
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 06:04 PM
Dec 2014

They lie. They believe in their lies and that is the only way they know how to exist.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
41. 'The bigger the heart, the larger the target.' Haters want to destroy the good-hearted among us.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:49 AM
Dec 2014

madokie

(51,076 posts)
47. The right wing media is why we have so much hate in our country right now
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 06:42 AM
Dec 2014

Electing a black man to the highest office was too much for them and they pulled out all stops. Its the media that causes the hate and discontent we all see all over the country today. Have you noticed that since the election there is no more ISIS and Ebola in the news 24/7, neither went away. What changed is the republiCONs took the senate and increased their lead in the house but other than that nothing changed. The media did their job and got the results they were looking for and thats the end of that story.
I've been saying since day one here at DU that we need to get the media out of the hands of the large corporations if we are to get any kind of relief from pukie policies being crammed down our throats. So far those calls from me haven't been met with much support here.
Its not rocket science what the problem in America is. Its not blacks, its not hispanics, its not whites, its not the poor, its the news media.

ETA: Merry Christmas

Cha

(297,624 posts)
48. You and I are exactly on the same page with that, madokie! Thank you for saying
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 07:10 AM
Dec 2014

it again! I can never hear enough of that righteous rant. I always said Occupy should Occupy the "media" all over America! So right.. it's not rocket science!

[font color=blue] Merry Christmas~Peace, Love, & Aloha~[/font]

madokie

(51,076 posts)
61. What gets me is how much they're in 'your face they are about it too'
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 06:25 PM
Dec 2014

Just rubbing it in like they know that we know there isn't much we can do about it, providing we don't whip out another '60s on their asses. Through mass protest we can change things but it takes a lot more than any of our protest have had yet. The day is coming where we'll all feel we've been pushed as far as we're going, the line will be crossed. Ssomeone with a winning message will come around and first things first and in the end we'll have a more equitable system for all of us. Thats what has the rich worried today and that will explain some of the shit they do. Like buying off our politicians, all legal but unethical as hell. When you control every thing about our lives they can pretty much get the laws they want passed. In many other countries there would be a season on the bastards. methinks anyway

I'm fixing to set down to Christmas Dinner

Cha

(297,624 posts)
62. Thanks for the updates.. I would be tossing my tv. I had to stop watching in Nov 2002.. and haven't
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 06:32 PM
Dec 2014

looked back!

Bon Appetite, madokie!

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
53. K&R. Thank Goddess facts still matter ont his forum.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 04:19 PM
Dec 2014

How small minded can one be to beleive this problem can be blamed on only a few people in a small frame of time anyway?

Thank you Cha.

Cha

(297,624 posts)
59. Yes, they matter to some people on this forum, great white snark!
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 05:55 PM
Dec 2014
[font color=blue] Merry Christmas,Peace, Love, & Aloha to you and yours!~[/font]

Cha

(297,624 posts)
73. I know that one from Downton Abbey.. it's when all the
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 06:13 AM
Dec 2014

servants and tradespeople would receive gifts from their employers in their Christmas Boxes .. in England, Canada, Australia, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_Day

Boxing Day Snow Warnings

It said rain, sleet and snow are set to spread east across parts of Northern Ireland, England and Wales, before clearing in the evening and overnight.

Forecasters said there was a risk of several centimetres of snow even at low levels, and roads could turn very icy.


MOre
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30601693

Mahalo, ucr!

Cha

(297,624 posts)
75. Yeah, all kinds of history.. silly me, I always thought boxing day had to do with pugilists.. not
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 06:19 AM
Dec 2014

true. Oh those English, etc etc etc!

Cha

(297,624 posts)
83. Thanks Gothmog! fox "news" distorts and US corporate media in general manipulates on a daily basis.
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 08:25 PM
Dec 2014

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
87. yes, and here ...
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 04:52 AM
Dec 2014
Our ruling

Giuliani said Obama has said "that everybody should hate the police."

Throughout all of his comments since August, when the latest unrest over racial disparities in the criminal justice system began, Obama has continuously encouraged working with police to find solutions and make change. He has also repeatedly emphasized the importance of law enforcement in communities of color and the fact that police officers have a dangerous job.

Giuliani’s claim is an outlandish distortion of what Obama actually said. We rate this Pants on Fire.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/dec/23/rudy-giuliani/giuliani-obama-propaganda-says-everybody-should-ha/


good to see Rudy finally being called out on his lies
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