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That guy Antonio Martin, did he have any police record? (Original Post) Archae Dec 2014 OP
Yes, he had a record tammywammy Dec 2014 #1
How did you sneak this one through? JEFF9K Dec 2014 #2
And what about the record of the cop who killed him? baldguy Dec 2014 #3
All you need to know is white cops always act appropriately and never shoot anyone they NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #4
The St. Louis County Police are such good and lucky shots that we might have KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #7
Funny you mention that, imagine if Cheney and W and Rove and O'reilly and limbaugh NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #11
If they hadn't been fragged, all 5 you mention would have been REMFs. John Yoo, otoh, would KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #17
When's the last time a St. Louis County Police officer pintobean Dec 2014 #20
I apologize. I stand corrected. Should have specified the municipalities within KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #22
What has Crestwood done? pintobean Dec 2014 #25
That's where Wilson lived. I figure if he lived there, the PD there probably shares his KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #27
Hmmm. Wilson lived in the United State pintobean Dec 2014 #30
Sigh. The Crestwood PD are paragons of law enforcement probity. Maybe they could be KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #33
That was asked and answered at Sherman A1 Dec 2014 #5
He planted the gas station's surveillance video? pintobean Dec 2014 #6
The video that shows Martin holding a cell phone? baldguy Dec 2014 #9
Yes, but cell phones kill HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #14
Lol _Blue_ Dec 2014 #15
Riiiiiight. Handguns have LCD screens that *light up* now. baldguy Dec 2014 #21
Lol Jesus _Blue_ Dec 2014 #23
And what was the name and ID of that killer cop again? All I know about him so far is that KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #10
I would like to know that also. Archae Dec 2014 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Dec 2014 #8
Is that the video of the actual shot being fired? If so, no gun and this is another execution NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #13
I'll back up and just let the facts emerge, focus on the op's comments bigtree Dec 2014 #18
Where did you get your x-ray vision? _Blue_ Dec 2014 #19
Oh, you mean the 9 mm pistol with its serial number filed off???? Mighty KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #24
Agreed. If the serial number had been left intact _Blue_ Dec 2014 #26
Let's put McCulloch on that right away, shall we? :sarcasm: - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #28
The gun will go the FBI lab to recover the serial numbers GGJohn Dec 2014 #31
It's clear you trust law enforcement in these matters and equally clear I do not. So there's KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #34
I'm not trading barbs fo shouting any slogan at you, GGJohn Dec 2014 #36
A crime lab technician / scientist / analyst is responsible for such a procedure. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #32
But McCulloch alone decides what the Grand Jury (if one is empanneled) hears KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #35
More than 20% of guns recover have had the serial number obliterated. Historic NY Dec 2014 #37
He's already declared it a coverup and an execution in other threads. GGJohn Dec 2014 #29
Talk about knee jerk reaction w/o facts.... Historic NY Dec 2014 #40
Especially now that it's looking more and more like the teen actually did pull and point a gun GGJohn Dec 2014 #41
The purse snatching happened in the Bevo neighborhood pintobean Dec 2014 #12
He doesn't sound like a very good guy helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #38
More like he "had" a..... TheCowsCameHome Dec 2014 #39

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
1. Yes, he had a record
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:14 PM
Dec 2014
Berkeley police arrested him in May for armed criminal action, unlawful use of a weapon and and armed robbery. St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch’s office has not charged him following that arrest.

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In the first case, the victim said Martin and another man had punched him. A teacher at the school where the assault took place in the 4300 block of Goodfellow Boulevard told police she saw the two men attack the victim on Sept. 24, according to court records.

Martin was charged Oct. 8 with third-degree assault for that case.

On Oct. 20, a woman told police that Martin had stolen her purse in the 4600 block of Gravois Avenue. The circuit attorney charged Martin with misdemeanor stealing on Oct. 21.

He pleaded guilty to both charges on Nov. 4; St. Louis Circuit Judge Theresa Counts Burke sentenced him to 30 days in jail.
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/parents-of-antonio-martin-say-his-fatal-shooting-doesn-t/article_fdcc9659-905c-5472-b5dd-66f5d36c6fba.html
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
3. And what about the record of the cop who killed him?
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:18 PM
Dec 2014

Any history of intimidation, harassment, or violence toward suspects or other members of the public? Not making accusations, just wondering. Because many times crooked cops will plant evidence to justify or cover-up their criminal actions.

Sauce for the goose...

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
4. All you need to know is white cops always act appropriately and never shoot anyone they
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:24 PM
Dec 2014

arent suppose to, never.

So dont you bother yourself with any details, we have a video from such a long distance away it is impossible to tell what actually happened, but the cop says what he says and that is ALL you need to know.

Dont you be asking any questions, and one thing is for certain, if the victim had a police record, he was guilty and deserved to die, no matter what.


And remember, all police records are exactly what they appear to be, this country has no history of writing and enforcing laws that impact one community much worse than another, absolutely not.

This country doesnt have a history of imprisoning people they dont want voting, nuh uh...



WAIT, the cop who shot and killed this last black guy, was white, right?




 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
7. The St. Louis County Police are such good and lucky shots that we might have
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:40 PM
Dec 2014

won in both Iraq and Afghanistan had they been deployed there under Petraeus and Sanchez (instead of losing in both theaters rather ignominiously, as we did with our volunteer-mercenary forces).

Perhaps President Obama should conscript and deploy the St. Louis County PD en masse to Iraq forthwith to give battle to ISIS. ISIS won't stand a chance against those boys in blue. Put McCulloch, Whirley and Alizadeh in charge of the JAG Corps over there while he's at it.

It's a two-fer: fewer blacks, poor and people of color being killed in St. Louis County for the crime of being black and\or poor and more ISIS being killed by our dead-eye shots in the St. Louis County PD.

(in case it's needed)

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
11. Funny you mention that, imagine if Cheney and W and Rove and O'reilly and limbaugh
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:50 PM
Dec 2014

and the rest had not acted like crybaby pussy asshole chickenshit chickenhawks and actually served in Nam

Given their character and abilities, they would ALL certainly have been killed either by the enemy or their own men.

And we wouldnt have to put up with the horror they have impaled onto the human race

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
17. If they hadn't been fragged, all 5 you mention would have been REMFs. John Yoo, otoh, would
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:56 PM
Dec 2014

have been my prime nominee for some NVA "re-education" at the Hanoi Hilton.

Again, (in case it's still needed)

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
20. When's the last time a St. Louis County Police officer
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:01 PM
Dec 2014

shot and killed anyone? Recent news stories have Ferguson, St.Louis Metropolitan (city), and Berkeley PD officers killing suspects, but I don't recall St. Louis County PD doing it.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
22. I apologize. I stand corrected. Should have specified the municipalities within
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:05 PM
Dec 2014

St. Louis County (like Ferguson and Berkeley) and not the St. Louis County PD itself.

So please allow me to edit my initial post in this subthread here to say that President Obama should conscript and deploy the combined police forces of Ferguson, Berkeley and (probably) Crestwood against ISIS. Victory is sure to be ours!

Are McCulloch, Whirley and Alizadeh still eligible for JAG Corps duty over there?

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
25. What has Crestwood done?
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:11 PM
Dec 2014

I know two of the cops there. Have they been killing young black men, too? I've never heard of that happening.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
27. That's where Wilson lived. I figure if he lived there, the PD there probably shares his
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:12 PM
Dec 2014

approach to policing minority and poor communities. And they're probably great shots, just like Wilson was.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
30. Hmmm. Wilson lived in the United State
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:15 PM
Dec 2014

so you and I probably share his approach to policing minority communities.


 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
33. Sigh. The Crestwood PD are paragons of law enforcement probity. Maybe they could be
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:18 PM
Dec 2014

deployed to Iraq as MPs to police the rebrobates from the Ferguson and Berkeley police forces who, when not killing ISIS in single-handed feats of legerdemain unknown previously to man, will be up to mischief.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
14. Yes, but cell phones kill
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:53 PM
Dec 2014

careers of abusive police and perhaps worse they REVEAL POLICE METHODs and officer identity.

Of course we'll never know because said law enforcement officer wasn't wearing his assigned camera.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
21. Riiiiiight. Handguns have LCD screens that *light up* now.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:05 PM
Dec 2014

Who's pushing conspiracy theories here?

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
10. And what was the name and ID of that killer cop again? All I know about him so far is that
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:48 PM
Dec 2014

he's 34, white and (I think I read) a six-year veteran of the police force.

Who is the killer cop?

Archae

(46,345 posts)
16. I would like to know that also.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:55 PM
Dec 2014

I used to know a cop (he retired and died years ago,) who never shot anyone.

Response to Archae (Original post)

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
13. Is that the video of the actual shot being fired? If so, no gun and this is another execution
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:52 PM
Dec 2014

Anybody else notice that within MINUTES of this shooting, the american people were being told by the media and police that it was a righteous shooting and the victim pointed a gun at the cop?

Since we now know that probably isnt at all what happened, how many other times, how many times out of the hundreds of thousands of times we are told that, is it actually true?

Not just shootings, but everything.

Hmmm...kind of convenient how we have so many of "those folks" locked away, aint it

 

_Blue_

(106 posts)
19. Where did you get your x-ray vision?
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:59 PM
Dec 2014

Since what he draws from his waistband and points to the cop is obstructed by his body?

The other video shows him drawing and pointing a dark object at the officer. A 9mm hi-point handgun was recovered as evidence. He has a history of armed criminal action and armed robbery.

Anyone making this out to be something other than an armed, violent, dangerous criminal being rightfully (albeit tragically) killed is doing a disservice to legitimate victims of police misconduct like Garner and Grant.

 

_Blue_

(106 posts)
26. Agreed. If the serial number had been left intact
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:12 PM
Dec 2014

Someone may have been able to trace it back to where Martin acquired it -- he's inder 21 and a felon, obviously he didn't obtain it legally.

Luckily the FBI lab has some great tools for recovering ground down serial numbers so eventually we may have that information.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
34. It's clear you trust law enforcement in these matters and equally clear I do not. So there's
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:28 PM
Dec 2014

little point in trading barbs or shouting slogans at one another.

But, when you have the time, you might want to review the history of the LAPD's Ramparts Division scandal:

The LAPD Rampart scandal refers to widespread corruption in the Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums (or C*R*A*S*H) anti-gang unit of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Rampart Division in the late 1990s. More than 70 police officers either assigned to or associated with the Rampart CRASH unit were implicated in some form of misconduct, making it one of the most widespread cases of documented police misconduct in United States history. The convicted offenses include unprovoked shootings, unprovoked beatings, planting of false evidence, framing of suspects, stealing and dealing narcotics, bank robbery, perjury, and the covering up of evidence of these activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal (Emphasis Added)

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
36. I'm not trading barbs fo shouting any slogan at you,
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:31 PM
Dec 2014

I'm just telling you that the gun will be sent to the FBI's crime lab where they'll recover the serial number and then be able to trace it.

I know all about the LAPD's Rampart Divisions criminal activity.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
35. But McCulloch alone decides what the Grand Jury (if one is empanneled) hears
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:30 PM
Dec 2014

or does not hear, even if McCulloch knows the witness is perjuring him- or herself, McCulloch decides all.

The LAPD Rampart scandal refers to widespread corruption in the Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums (or C*R*A*S*H) anti-gang unit of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Rampart Division in the late 1990s. More than 70 police officers either assigned to or associated with the Rampart CRASH unit were implicated in some form of misconduct, making it one of the most widespread cases of documented police misconduct in United States history. The convicted offenses include unprovoked shootings, unprovoked beatings, planting of false evidence, framing of suspects, stealing and dealing narcotics, bank robbery, perjury, and the covering up of evidence of these activities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal (Emphasis added)

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
37. More than 20% of guns recover have had the serial number obliterated.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:39 PM
Dec 2014

the Mayors Committee against gun violence recommended in 2009 that a second number be hidden on the guns....with the large amount of guns nopw being traded the per centage is probably higher.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
41. Especially now that it's looking more and more like the teen actually did pull and point a gun
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 09:53 PM
Dec 2014

at the officer.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
12. The purse snatching happened in the Bevo neighborhood
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:51 PM
Dec 2014

about a block from where the Bosnian guy was beaten to death with a hammer. Not that that means anything, it's just an interesting coincidence.

Berkeley Police arrested him in May for armed criminal action, but that case is still under review at the St. Louis County Prosecutor’s Office.

Antonio D Martin pleaded guilty twice, for lesser crimes. One plea involved a crime he committed just four days after his 17th birthday, a misdemeanor assault. The report says Martin and another person attacked someone in front of a Job Corp teacher. Less than a month later, the 17 year the admitted he stole from a woman eating outside of Mariachi's II restaurant on Gravois. Martin spent a total of 30 days in jail for both crimes.

Fredy Guijosa, of Mariachi`s, remembers seeing Martin and another man walk into the restaurant, then leave and walk around outside. Guijosa said the two guys ran off with a purse from one of his customers eating outside. Guijosa and his brother ran after them. He said they chased them for blocks, caught them, and held them until police arrived.

Guijosa said, 'We didn't hit them or nothing like that, but he kept yelling, 'I'm young. I'm young' because, I mean, I'm pretty sure he saw how upset I was and from there, we just held them down 'till the cops came and they took care of the rest.'
 

helpmetohelpyou

(589 posts)
38. He doesn't sound like a very good guy
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:42 PM
Dec 2014

The records in this thread are just when he turned 18

I don't think they have released or will release his juvenile record .

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