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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 04:55 PM Dec 2014

I grew up watching a lot of dystopia in sci-fi movies and reading about it in books

The late sixties and all throughout the seventies gave us some of the best. Thank the Cold War for that.

Then Star Wars and the Star Trek revival came along, as did the feel-good, reactionary era of Reaganism and much of dystopia took a back seat.

The problem is that the dystopics were right all the long. People are recognizing that. Just look in the street.

Now that the media is more corporate owned and less prone to allowing dissent, a watered down version of new dystopia is making a revival. But only for detached entertainment and not as a message, as has been done in the past.

The dystopia of the past now becomes even more important, as some of its predictions of social, economic and environmental decay is coming to pass.

It would have been nice to have cities of glimmering spires and flying cars and all that, but the truth that those who control us would rather not share.


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I grew up watching a lot of dystopia in sci-fi movies and reading about it in books (Original Post) MrScorpio Dec 2014 OP
K&R.... daleanime Dec 2014 #1
The perfect example of that "before and after" effect are the two versions of "Rollerball" villager Dec 2014 #2
Very astute Fairgo Dec 2014 #7
Good one! Also Planet of the Apes (those damn dirty apes) and Solent Green! Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #20
One the other hand, I will give some credit to the two most recent "Ape" reboots/installments... villager Dec 2014 #22
Maybe if I spelled it correctly they would, lol! Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #26
Remember the episode of STNG where they thaw out people and one is a corporate money bag? Rex Dec 2014 #3
I live in some sort of hope that Roddenberry's general theory of the future is correct. hifiguy Dec 2014 #12
True, also an episode where they bring aboard the legendary Samuel Clemens Rex Dec 2014 #18
The Federation is fairly benevolent hifiguy Dec 2014 #30
I think he was talking about Star Fleet. Rex Dec 2014 #31
That's one of my very favorite episodes. silverweb Dec 2014 #27
Well sure, but our military industrial complex is the bomb! procon Dec 2014 #4
Wonderful mini-rant. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #5
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #6
The Future Is Bleak Indeed cantbeserious Dec 2014 #8
Greatest Threads, Here Comes MrScorpio! Ryan Fitzomething Dec 2014 #9
Hear, hear! First Speaker Dec 2014 #10
We all live in The Village now. hifiguy Dec 2014 #11
Agree. (And it's where my user name comes from!) villager Dec 2014 #15
IIRC Dystopian fiction peaks when the economy is bad LittleBlue Dec 2014 #13
Releasing the dystopian death metal tension seveneyes Dec 2014 #14
Now THAT, kats and kittens, is a hifiguy Dec 2014 #17
Fantastic! cyberswede Dec 2014 #21
Wow! Unknown Beatle Dec 2014 #28
Have you ever considered that maybe certain books are published at certain times and certain films NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #16
TVEE calls it 'programs'. Paid programming. Rex Dec 2014 #19
I see...so "Big Bang Theory" is intended to make scientists look silly? brooklynite Dec 2014 #32
sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. same with movies and other media. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #33
"Then Star Wars and the Star Trek revival came along" BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #23
I think it can be summed up in two movies. zeemike Dec 2014 #24
If you saw the movie Metropolis 1922 there are some things that are eerily familiar today kimbutgar Dec 2014 #25
Kick! Ryan Fitzomething Dec 2014 #29
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
2. The perfect example of that "before and after" effect are the two versions of "Rollerball"
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 05:00 PM
Dec 2014

The first was an explicit critique of where we were headed with unchecked corporate control.

The second was, essentially, an apolitical futuristic sports movie.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
20. Good one! Also Planet of the Apes (those damn dirty apes) and Solent Green!
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:53 PM
Dec 2014

Stephen King wrote a really good one as Richard Bachman called "The Long Walk."

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
22. One the other hand, I will give some credit to the two most recent "Ape" reboots/installments...
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 07:09 PM
Dec 2014

Not the anti-nuke commentary of the first one, but instead, they opted for escaped genetic experiments upending the biosphere...

And yeah, Soylent Green. Wonder if they'd ever remake that with its essential message intact?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. Remember the episode of STNG where they thaw out people and one is a corporate money bag?
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 05:05 PM
Dec 2014

Picard tries and tries to explain to the now ex-billionaire that money is no longer a resource people clamor toward. The ex-billionaire huffs and says there is always 'someone or something to buy and sale'. Picard gives up in frustration.

He even nearly gets them all killed by mouthing off on the bridge. We will never learn anything from greed and destruction. Ever.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
12. I live in some sort of hope that Roddenberry's general theory of the future is correct.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:20 PM
Dec 2014

But a part of that future was the reconstruction of human society along democratic socialist lines after a planet-wide catastrophe and the die-off of a large part of humanity. Mankind is currently playing Russian Roulette with a gun in which there are five bullets in the six chambers. The odds are easy to calculate and they ain't good.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. True, also an episode where they bring aboard the legendary Samuel Clemens
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:38 PM
Dec 2014

and his critique of the future is NOT what they want to hear!

He says the future sadly is still hopelessly run by the military powers that be. Even in future world, we cannot exist without war and strife. I like that the creators could add that into the story line - even with advances in the future (tech and society), humans were at war with someone and always will be. As depressing as that is.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
30. The Federation is fairly benevolent
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:50 PM
Dec 2014

And the warfare is generally confined to fringe, sparsely settled parts of the quadrant. Federation home worlds like Earth and Vulcan seem very peaceful.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. I think he was talking about Star Fleet.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:00 PM
Dec 2014

Seriously think about that for a minute. Earth gets invaded by aliens a lot in the series and eventually Vulcan is destroyed by a Romulan military leader!

I think it must be hard to show a more progressive future, when your audience still craves violence and big space battles.

procon

(15,805 posts)
4. Well sure, but our military industrial complex is the bomb!
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 05:19 PM
Dec 2014

Who needs shiny new bridges or a state of the art transportation system when we can have lots of spiffy high tech military stuff and multiple choices for designer wars, a massive prison system, the unstoppable global surveillance system, or an armor-plated police force to die for... literally.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
5. Wonderful mini-rant.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 05:42 PM
Dec 2014

You started me thinking about these long-term trends.

One difference between the 50's & 60's dystopic SF (John Brunner, Cyril Kornbluth for example) is that back then, it came with a sort of "If these trends continue…" flavor. They could be read as a warning, like Morley & his chains.

I haven't seen or read the Hunger Games stuff, but I gather that the kids seeing it aren't having much trouble making the connection to the current world state of affairs. For them it's a metaphor about the way things are rather than a prediction or warning.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
10. Hear, hear!
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:17 PM
Dec 2014

When I was young in the 60s, I fully expected to live in a 21st Century Utopia--something like Heinlein's *Beyond This Horizon*, with its strange, but compelling, combination of capitalism and socialism. That's the greatest Utopian novel ever written, and the only Utopia I'd actually want to live in. Instead, we have a combination of Philip K Dickian breakdown, with a streak of Harlan Ellisonian violence and madness. I never wanted to live in Interesting Times...

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
11. We all live in The Village now.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:18 PM
Dec 2014


The most brilliant and prescient thing that was ever on television. Still as relevant and frightening today as it was 48 years ago. Maybe moreso than ever.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
13. IIRC Dystopian fiction peaks when the economy is bad
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:24 PM
Dec 2014

People want to explore bleaker realities than their own, perhaps.

 

NewDeal_Dem

(1,049 posts)
16. Have you ever considered that maybe certain books are published at certain times and certain films
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:31 PM
Dec 2014

are greenlighted at certain times to lead people to think in certain ways?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. TVEE calls it 'programs'. Paid programming.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 06:41 PM
Dec 2014

Not at all that different than programming a really smart computer.

brooklynite

(94,517 posts)
32. I see...so "Big Bang Theory" is intended to make scientists look silly?
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 10:05 PM
Dec 2014

Sometimes, TV programs are just TV programs.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
24. I think it can be summed up in two movies.
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 07:16 PM
Dec 2014

Star Trek and Star wars...at first it was about the wonder of discovery then it became about War on a galactic scale.
Now most Sci Fi is about war and violence and that is what we have become as a culture.

kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
25. If you saw the movie Metropolis 1922 there are some things that are eerily familiar today
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 07:55 PM
Dec 2014

And scarily there was a TV show from Name of the Game 1968 - 71 There is an episode LA 2017. The character Glenn Howard gets in a car crash after attending a meeting of key scientists and industrialistswhere it is disclosed that the earth's atmosphere is poisoned and billions are going to die. The industrialists overthrow the government, kill the scientists and go underground creating a strange underground world, ruled by a cold blooded dictatorship with a bizarre social and sexual code. You can watch part of it on You tube and Steven Spielberg directed the episode. The parallels to today are chilling. It's like a Koch Bros story written in 1971.

LA 2017 is season 3 episode 16 in the Name of the game series.

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