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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm going to speculate and predict what happened to Asiana QZ8501.
Same basic circumstance as Air France 447 in that the pilot climbed (edit to add) and TURNED (or apparently asked for permission to) into a severe weather front (trying to avoid it) with tops exceeding 45,000 and then got conflicting/inaccurate airspeed/attitude/altitude readings.
I'm going to speculate that Airbus has not completely addressed the Pitot tube issue that was determined to be the primary cause of AF 447. Those pilots had no idea the were in a stall and their aircraft hit the water with less than 150 kts forward speed but over 150 kts vertical (if my memory serves me from an article I read a while back). They had no idea they were simply falling out of the sky.
I'm betting that's what happened. They'll find what's left of the aircraft in the coming days and I'll wager an hours pay the circumstances will be remarkably similar.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)we'll see.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)Also, this was an A320, not a 330, and the 320 doesn't have a history of pitot tube icing. So while it's premature to rule anything out or in, I'd be surprised if this turned out to be like AF 447. It could very well be weather-related in some way, though.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)and I admit I am not a pilot, not an accident investigator by any stretch, so in this case merely a fascinated observer.
However...
years ago I worked as a parts manager in an FBO and handled all of the parts ordering. There are not dozens and dozens of Pitot Tube makers. Not that I recall, anyway.
My point here is that perhaps it is the vendors design problem, not Airbus....? Maybe?
Either way.......
These mysteries fascinate me.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)and the replacements were Honeywell. Will have to check.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)because of air traffic at the time above them. Five minutes later contact was lost with the plane. Since they couldn't climb they had no choice but to continue on through the storm. Because of the bad weather a multitude of things could have happened. We aren't going to know in any case for a long time, and the plane has to be found first. More than likely it's at the bottom of the sea, but at least this time they know in what area it would have gone down. Sadly, no one would have survived.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/indonesia-searches-java-sea-missing-airasia-plane-relatives-022153350--finance.html
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Flight QZ8501 was travelling at 32,000 feet above the Java Sea and had asked to fly at 38,000 feet to avoid clouds, said Joko Muryo Atmodjo, air transportation director at Indonesia's transport ministry.
Permission was not given at the time due to traffic in the area. Five minutes later, at 6:17 a.m. on Sunday (2317 GMT Saturday), the plane lost contact with air traffic control, Atmodjo said.
Data from Flightradar24.com, which tracks airline flights in real time, showed several nearby aircraft were at altitudes ranging from 34,000 to 36,000 feet at the time, levels that are not unusual for cruising aircraft.
Warpy
(111,359 posts)There was a low pressure area with enough energy to produce huge thunderstorms. Whatever happened was most likely weather related.
One of my dad's favorite flying stories was about getting hit with a huge downdraft at altitude, the plane dropping far and fast enough that they were weightless, cigarettes floating out of packs in pockets. He needed a lot of drinks when he got home from that one.
It's not inconceivable that weather can knock a plane out of the sky.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I used to fly a lot when I was in my early teens, as my parents lived apart, one in Boston the other in Florida. On one trip we hit turbulence and the plane just dropped out of the sky. It seemed like forever at the time, but probably didn't last more than 5 seconds. Enough time to send luggage and anything not strapped down flying around the cabin, including tossing a couple people from their seats. They called it an "air pocket" at the time. One of the terrifying things I'd ever experienced, but it never stopped me from flying...but I always keep my seat belt on now.
madokie
(51,076 posts)from over the mountains. We dropped 300 plus feet once and I'm here to say that was an unnerving feeling. I was setting over the left wing and it looked like the plane was flapping its wings. I'd say the tip of that old 737 or 727 wing traveled a good 6 or 7 feet between when it was supporting the plane to when it wasn't. Yikes
A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)When it lets go, the tips are well above the roof line of the fuselage;
madokie
(51,076 posts)In my minds eye I thought they were relatively solid so it surprised me they flexed like they did. Flapped like they did
I was young in the navy at the time so I was still pretty naive about the flying world