Oh, and Sergeant Stubby!

...when my friends bit a little girl's nose off.

Unless your friends are cannibals.

God knows I make enough mistakes myself. But that one just screamed at me.

So I'm OK with it as long as you don't get carried away.

Not the fault of some unrelated, random dog that has never met or interacted with them.

People harm one another every day. Do you not interact with people either?

nt

Given your venomous reaction.

You have yourself a pleasant evening.

And bigots who scapegoat innocent individuals for tragic circumstances.

You lay the blame solely on the dog, along with every dog that looks like it in the entire world, and totally absolve the human who's supposed to train, socialize, control and overall love the dog, but instead abdicates their responsibility for it. You've "stopped interacting with pitbulls" over a single incident, but make no effort to single out the German Shepherds, Golden Retrievers, Labrador Retrievers, Poodles, or Chihuahuas because members of those breeds have been involved in similar incidents.

Your attitude only causes more children to be injured.

Everything else you made up. Your crystal ball is broken.

Understandably, you were frightened by it and I'm sorry it happened, but that was one dog and it could have been any kind of dog.

You've done yourself a disservice to stop interacting with pit bulls. Why show up in a positive thread to bash them?
Do you do that with people as well? Do you have one negative experience, then denigrate a whole group based upon that single encounter?

'Bit her nose off' don't you understand?

Pitbulls are hands above all other breeds when it comes to fatal dog attacks. They are the breed most likely to turn on their owners, as highlighted by the man killed by his pitbull on Christmas.

http://dogbitelaw.com/dog-bite-statistics/all-dog-bite-statistics
http://www.curiosityaroused.com/nature/top-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds-based-on-bite-fatalities/
http://www.dognotebook.com/15-dangerous-dog-breeds-most-likely-to-turn-on-their-owners/

pit bull killed his owner. I would never take the chance. Had a Shepherd for many years and was comfortable having her around my child.

That's one of several ways this video basically presents lies disguised as "facts." Insurance companies keep very accurate statistics on this stuff. Now you try to insure your Pit and see what happens.

But as with so many dog owners of all breeds, the Pit owners insist "my dog is good," and "the breed isn't bad, just a few people who raise bad dogs," and all the rest. The video, like many comments here, ignores that this breed has been selectively bred *specifically* for aggression in the US in the last 30 years, and is far more dangerous than it used to be as a result. And so many animals are trained to act aggressively (or not untrained, as it were) that no parent or other dog owner can be sure what they're dealing with when they see a Pit approaching.

This diary is a ferocious snarling snapping dog that's been cornered. The desperate attempt to invent an alternate universe where "Pitties" are no different than Irish Setters or Labradors just does not wash. It's statistical nonsense. Yes there are well behaved and non-aggressive Pits. But you don't know which one you're dealing with until after you've been attacked. And I have to say that as a class, my impression of Pit Bull owners is that they have issues with aggression themselves. Most are young men. Most seem to want a dog that intimidates other people. And then they get into this phony-baloney "all Pits aren't bad" excuse making.

Of course it matters how you train and handle a dog. It matters how you train to use and handle a gun too. But an AK47 is still way more deadly than a Derringer pistol, no two ways about it.

Pit Bulls are deadly, dangerous animals often enough that any reasonable person not blinded by self-justification knows to be highly cautious around them and avoid them if the dog is not known to you, most especially if you have another dog or a child.

I grew up with half a dozen dogs. I love dogs deeply and dearly. But I myself had a small dog nearly torn to shreds by an off-leash yet "trained and licensed" Pit whose owner insisted her dog had never done anything like that and was completely harmless *while the attack was occurring.*

That is the same level of delusion as this post presents.

if your "harmless Pittie" attacks someone anyway, you can expect both to be sued and to have your dog euthanized.

If you believe these dogs are utterly safe, then you assume the full responsibility for all the times you're wrong. That's why virtually no homeowner's policy will underwrite the risk of a Pit Bull on the premises.

Labs, GSDs & Golden Retrievers. It's called statistics.

The article doesn't seem to say.

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Was that person lying ? Or mistaken?

n/t

This is important, since you seem to like to pretend that you're an expert.

Look, can we just jump to the part where pit bull fans start calling non-fans hateful, evil, naive, childish, blind, clueless, stereotyping, stupid, maliciously ignorant, racist, classist, closed-minded, genocidal bigots, and pedantic, laughable idiots besides?

It would save a lot of time.

n/t

Along with a host of other animal welfare organizations..

OTOH the people involved in pushing ill-conceived BSLs have been proven to be frauds and RW bigots.

They push this bsl crap 24/7 always looking for another being to kill in the name of safety.

Her's bit me when he helped himself to some walnuts that weren't shelled. I went to take it from him and he bit me. My mom had this stupid nonchalant attitude about it and said to me, Don't worry, he's had all his shots. I told her that there was one shot I could think of that he hadn't had.

the little bastard pissed me off though. Over the years, I've owned shepherds, huskies, dobermans and currently a pit mix. I have never been bitten by any of them.

Poor kid has his penis torn off by a pit bull. He now gets to live the rest of his life like this. But it isn't the dogs fault.

I agree with you, any dog could have bitten him, but I bet he would still have his penis.

And you're ready & willing - eager even - to ignore that lack of responsibility.

Tells me nothing about Pit Bulls in general.

were killed by retrievers?

What percent were killed by pit bulls?

If you think that there's any valid comparison, you've got a screw loose.

n/t

Much more. By lightyears.

Don't bother rolling out the rotting pile of refuse that is Merritt Clifton.

How do you even know that's a pit bull in your avatar? How do you know it's not a border collie or something?

Which of these do you want to kill?

Dog 02


Dog 07


Dog 08


Dog 22


Dog 33


Dog 54


Dog 58


Dog 79


Dog 89


Dog 111

I just don't want them to kill others.

Why are you so unwilling to accept the fact that these dogs are killers?

You deny any & every study, survey & scientific proof debunking Pit Bull myths & media-induced hysteria, and promote the lies & exaggerations of the death merchants who promote those myths. All the while you downplay & deny the responsibility humans have in the whole process.

So, spare us your hypocritical claim of innocence.

n/t

It's that simple.

the law put responsibility on owners . . . why is that a bad thing?

And pit bites went from 168 to 13!!!! I would think a pit owner would be in favor of less bites. But that does not seem to be the case.

Thanks for your source supporting the effectiveness of the ban.

Then we need to call them "assault dogs", the people that own them "dog humpers", and introduce federal legislation to ban them.

We also need the use the actions of a few as anecdotal evidence to smear all "assault dog" owners, and call anybody that defends "assault dogs" apologists.

Sorry, no

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6023896

What's defines a pit bull/assault weapon? I don't know exactly, but I know one when I see one!

People that own pit bulls/assault weapons have tiny penises. Didn't you know that? They are overly macho, feeding into some kind of Rambo-wannabe impulse that we, as a civilized society, cannot afford to tolerate anymore. We must fight this culture, and that's the real reason I want to ban pit bulls/assault weapons.

And I'm more than willing to flog the statistically rare but media-flogged stories of pit bull/assault weapon attacks to achieve that goal. I mean, sure, I could examine each case individually, from which I would learn that nearly all pit bull/assault weapon owners are normal people, but it's far more useful for my agenda to turn them into a faceless uncaring mass.

After all, outlawing all pit bulls/assault weapons would still leave a vast selection of dogs/guns available for people to own, right? At the very least, could we register pit bulls/assault weapons and require their owners to purchase separate insurance plans in case their pit bull/assault weapon is used to hurt somebody? And how about background checks? After all, the mere fact that you DESIRE to own a pit bull/assault weapon is a pretty good indication you shouldn't be allowed to own one.

There is no constitutional right to a pit bull/assault weapon, after all. These should be restricted to military and police forces, and not available to the general public.

At no point did I argue numbers, so I don't know why you keep going to that.

My point is that you are more than willing to smear "assault weapon" owners as a group, while looking SHOCKED that small-minded idiots would dare to smear pit bull and their owners as a group. If a pit bull attacks a little girl, it's not the girl's fault, or the dogs, fault, but the dog owner's individual fault.

Show me the national political organization with the multi-million dollar budget that supports torturing dogs to make them more aggressive & promotes amateurs training dogs to attack humans for "protection".

The NRA and their allies advocate policies with exasperate the problem of gun violence, as I'm sure you know.

So you will just continue repeating 3 vs 30,000 in an attempt to not have to face the truth.

Reality is MANY MANY MANY MANY more shots fired from paint ball guns hit people each year. However, this has NOTHING to do with the danger of assault rifles.

Like wise, MANY MANY MANY MANY small dogs bite people every day. However, that has NOTHING to do with the danger of pit bull bites..

believe that.

If you wanted to learn about Hitler, would you go to Stormfront? NO!

Please try to find an objective link.

BTW, cute poodle.

2013 statistics

32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2013.php

more important than your obsession with pit bulls? Children have been maimed, mauled, and killed by pit bulls and you just want to blame the owners because obviously pit bulls are gentle as pussy cats.

You're priorities are fucked up.

And you're quoting the huffington post to prove something about a supposed charlatan - an article written by a novelist? lol

Let me make my position clear - if a dog, any dog bites my niece or nephew that dog is dead. Fuck pit bulls - I care more about a child's life and right to be a child than I care about pit bulls being understood, acclimated, and babied. If every pit bull fell off the face of the earth tonight, I wouldn't care. Go look at some verified pit bull maulings of children and if you can still blame the victim, I feel sorry for you.

All the hysteria about Pit Bulls is just that - hysteria! You're worried about dangerous dogs, fine. Then worry about the monsters who create them: the Michael Vicks, the abusers, the torturers, the neglectful, the people who treat living creatures as inanimate, mass-produced items - and behave as if they're just as disposable. THAT'S THE THINKING THAT CREATES THE DANGEROUS DOGS YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT!!!

the only thing I've read is that one stat I posted. A dog that bites a child IS disposable. The law took care of Vick.

You see, hear, and read what supports your position. The dangerous dogs I'm worried about are mostly pit bulls.

Is the CDC unbiased enough for you?

Breed
1980 1982 1984 1986 1988 1990 1992 1994 1996 1998 Total
Purebred
Pit bull-type
2 5 10 9 11* 8 6 5 4* 6 66
Rottweiler
0 0 1 1 3 1 3 10 10 10 39
German Shepherd Dog 2 1 4* 1 1 4* 2 0 2 0 17
Husky-type
2 1 2 2 0 2 2 1 2 1 15
Malamute
2 0 3 1 0 2 3 1 0 0 12
Doberman Pinscher
0 1 0 2 2 2 1 0 0 1 9
Chow Chow
0 1 0 0 0 2 3 0 2 0 8
Great Dane
3 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 7
Saint Bernard
1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 7
Crossbred
Wolf-dog hybrid
0 1 1 2 1 4 1 2 2 0 14
Mixed-breed
0 3 1 2 1 2 0 1 1 1 12
German Shepherd Dog 0 2 0 2 2 2† 0 1 2 0 10†
Pit bull-type
0 1 0 3 2† 3 1 1 0 0 10†
Husky-type
0 1 1 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 6
Rottweiler
0 0 0 0 1† 1 0 1 1 2 5†
Alaskan Malamute
0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 3
Chow Chow
0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 3
Doberman Pinscher
0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0
Saint Bernard
0 0

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

because it used the same flawed methodology as fucking Merritt Clifton.

http://apbtpeople.webs.com/cdcstatistics.htm

Are a bigger problem than Clifton. I hear the local news and pit bulls in general are dangerous. We've had numerous attacks on children locally all by pit bulls. One snapping at my nephew was more than enough to convince me of the news validity.

The media says that Pit Bulls are dangerous, so they must be dangerous. Because...
The media says that Pit Bulls are dangerous, so they must be dangerous. Because...
The media says that Pit Bulls are dangerous, so they must be dangerous. Because...

And on, and on, and on... Until you consider that the "media" is more interested in a buck than the truth, and selling fear is always easier than selling reason, and that local reporters especially are usually some of the worst & laziest journalists around (as the fact that Sarah Palin started her career as a proverbial '90s news babe illustrates).

So, the media says that Pit Bulls are dangerous. It also said Saddam was behind 9/11, that Iraq had WMDs, that Obama was born in Kenya, that the ACA is a failure, and America is the freest country on Earth.

You really want to rely on the media?

And people are being harmed & killed because of it.

Like the Tea Baggers who still say Obama was born in Kenya, or the RWrs who still say Saddam had WMDs, or the climate change deniers who can watch an iceberg the size of Connecticut slide into the ocean and still pretend it means nothing, or the anti-vaxxers who help maintain the spread of diseases which should have been eliminated long ago - you repeat the same old lies & distortions which have been repeatedly debunked and exposed, and act as if they're fresh & new.

pit bull bites in Toronto down from 168 to 13 during the BSL.

An overwhelming success!

The whole point of BSLs as advertised is to reduce the number of dog bites overall. In reality, it's just a way to reduce the number of Pit Bulls, and to hell with bites from other dogs.

You don't really give a good goddamn about really protecting people from dog aggression, and don't give a good goddamn that the policies you advocate make dog aggression problems worse, not better. Just so long as you can get some pics of dead Pit Bulls.

And your last sentence is simply shameful.

Why would you NOT want to (1) keep your pet (2) make all owners responsible and (3) reduce pit bull bites?????

actual reports in which owners are interviewed and parents of mauled and maimed children are interviewed. You can live in your make believe world where pit bulls fart pink faeries.

I'm done with this.

2011 Dog Bite Fatalities - DogsBite.org
www.dogsbite.org › dog bite statistics › dog bite fatalities
Together, pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (4), the number two lethal dog breed, accounted for 84% of all fatal attacks in 2011. In the 7-year period from 2005 to 2011, this same combination accounted for 74% (157) of the total recorded deaths (213).

As they should.I had a Pittie.She was Am/Staff,ABD and(wait for it) Labrador.I had her DNA tested.
She was the Best.She was 130% buddy 130% of the time.It would have truly been my loss if I had turned her in to animal control when I found her.

The only dog bite I ever had was when I was attacked while running by three pit bulls this year. It is the breed. They are bred to fight with very heads and jaws and dispositions prone to attack. It's why they're named pit bulls.

It's ironic you bring this up because I was almost bit by a German Shephard yesterday who came up to me, tail wagging. I even did the old, "sniff my fist" thing first, then he leaned up against me, tail wagging and allowed me to pet him. However, when I went to stroke the side of his face, he went nuts and tried biting me. True story... my landlords' dog who has bitten his owner a couple of times. She should have told me that the dog has a tendency to bite before allowing me to interact with the dog but she thought things would be okay 'cause he was wagging his tail. Had she told me he had a tendency to bite, I would not have interacted with him.

So, whose fault was it? My fault (a bit--I should have given the dog more time), the landlords fault (a lot--should have told me that the dog is a biter) or the dogs' fault (not much--he can't help the training--or lack--that he's received)?

I've been around tons of dogs all my life and the only one that has ever actually bit me was a stray Chihuahua and almost bitten by this German Shephard. I've interacted with lots of emotionally and physically abused Pits, and never once been snapped at, let alone bitten.

no talk, no touch, no eye contact. I'v been teaching my dog to have manners when someone comes to the door however, most people ignore my instructions to them not to look at her, touch her or talk to her when entering my house. You see, she gets excited and when people pay her attention when they walk into the door, it only generates more excitement where she then thinks it's ok to jump up to be petted. If they actually ignore her, she leaves them alone, calms down and becomes totally submissive. Then it is ok to show her affection.

Well, actually, just a nostril. It was sewn back on and the irregularity is only noticeable if I point it out.

(It was a Lab mix, I think)

if so, were you sitting at a table eating or walking around with something in your hand?