most cops I've dealt with in Tennessee are not trigger happy or ready to murder at a moment's notice.

I will say, had the woman been Black, I do not know if there would have been a different outcome - probably - but cops in TN are not, for the most part, violent thugs here.

Yes, there are some asshole cops here, but look at the cop who choked the kid in KNoxville. GONE from the force. Had the cop choked a kid in LA, NY or Ferguson, he'd still be a cop.

as this enlightened gentleman from Cookeville, TN where I used to live.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/tenn-official-threatened-blacks-with-skin-trophy-he-saved-from-1896-lynching/

I am so sick of losers here who won't get their acts together but blame everyone but themselves.

It still seems, after living here 15 years, that the majority of TN cops are not murderous thugs as in other areas. I could be completely wrong about that.

Interesting that VILE and EVIL are spelled with the same 4 letters.

They usually find what they look for.

Whether it's a face in the landscape, the virgin Mary in a piece of wood, or the word "Allah" in a tomato.

In some cases, like Biblical numerology, it takes years and years to find meaning in randomness. At least it keeps them off the streets and in their self-imposed asylums.

I prefer random influences to applied intentions.
Not really big on word scrambles.
it isnt so much the random input as the regulated responses it triggers.
there is much to realize about human behavior and pattern recognition/perception.
we are but animals trying to deny the fact, while inflicting harm upon ourselves and butchering others.
give me some randomized uncertainty anytime.

live on reviled

most cops I've dealt with in Tennessee are not trigger happy or ready to murder at a moment's notice.

I will say, had the woman been Black, I do not know if there would have been a different outcome - probably - but cops in TN are not, for the most part, violent thugs here.

That gives me hope. I worry about my boys (now grown assmen, as they tell me) and my grandsons ALL the time, living up there in Minnesota.

It wouldn't require trigger-happy cops to see him as an
imminent danger.

that could have as much to do with gender as it does with race.

What's the difference between these males who were simply questioned for being reported to the police while walking around in public with real weapons:

Officers have been exonerated for shooting into vehicles even when their life is not in danger. Latest example is a teenager in Kentucky. If you are on the hood of a car which is the safer course of action - hooping off or firing at the driver with a carload of passengers thus potentially triggering the driver to press on the throttle either as a reflexive action or additional fear of being shot at.

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/samantha-ramsey-shooting/

...kids out in the middle of an empty field playing music and drinking. Imagine the crime of it all.

The cop in question had about 100 opportunities to avoid this one but, as is often the case, zealots rarely see a way to compromise. The reason his life was in danger (the rationale given for why it was acceptable to murder this woman) was because he decided to jump on the hood of a moving car. By that rationale, almost any MBC (murder by cop) is acceptable.

It's like Footloose on steroids with guns. There was a time where the penalty for this kind of activity was a call from the local cops and getting grounded. Today, it's the death penalty. WTF.

would get a pass on, but once bad cops get started I am not sure skin color has much to do with it then. This case and Christopher Roupe are two examples which demonstrate the lack of accountability and the broken grand jury system.

Put THIS on!

and she would be deceased.

you betcha...

...but this event in it's self is not evidence of wide spread racism.

Don't get me wrong, I know racism exists, too often within local police departments, but this case is not representative of all police actions.

Here in NE Ohio a young white man I know was gunned down outside his stolen car after an extended police chase a few months ago. Police claim that after the car was disabled by stop sticks he came out shooting, causing police to pump seven rounds into him. Unfortunately, in spite of demands from the local tribune, the prosecutor and police refuse to release any forensics or dash cam video. Personally, I knew him and have a hard time believing this kid even owned a gun, let alone fired on the cops. He had few priors and no previous violent offenses. The investigation reeks of a wrongful death cover up, but I'm not going to say they shot him because he was white, nor is this article proof that cops routinely spare white people.

Again, I know the statistics and sadly admit I would have to conduct myself differently if I was black and confronted by police, but this incident alone proves little. There are trigger happy cops everywhere, and race is not always a defining factor. I only respond because your subject line strongly implies otherwise.

some other of the 300,000,000 killing machines out there, just doing what they were designed to do.

thinking in such strange and eerily robotic ways? Do guns have some telegenic influence and force over weak minds?

It sounds like something a friend of mine would say when we're at the shooting range together.

If he knows anything about firearms - and I'm assuming if he's a gun person he knows as much as anyone - then we know that a 9mm is roughly the same size as a .38cal. It's a much faster round than the .45 due to lower mass and better suited to penetrating walls and car doors.

Thinking that's akin to an Airsoft is way too incredible to be believed. He was obviously joking.

Even more sarcasm not meant to be taken seriously, right?

Some clowns need to contribute or go home.

And it comes after weeks of unprecedented criticism of cops who are now hesitant to fire until they have been hit themselves a couple times.

The fact that it was a WOMAN was probably more important than the fact that the person was white.

Why is the assumption being made that all policemen and police forces are exactly the same?

Did I miss something?

which way would you bet?

If you think some cop is going to sacrifice themselves because he/she believes the public may not like them shooting someone the officer perceives as a threat you are naive.

It's business as usual until you provide data to support your assertion.

Good luck with that.

you must lose a fortune.

You can't, so you default to insults.

The fact that something didn't happen in one case does not prove anything.

BTW I am appalled at police abuse, but this kind of post is just nonsense. It would be the same as if some RWer, trying to prove there is no police abuse, cited one case of a black person not getting shot by police.

It's like the difference between weather and climate. Sure you can't get a trend off a single data point, but that data point is still perfectly capable of fitting in with a larger trend.

I thought I was the only one brave enough to post like that at this site.

Some subtle, some quite open and revealing, but damn near every post ignores the fact that an armed white woman fired indiscriminately and repeatedly, even putting officers at risk but wasn't fired upon by police.

No mention of the numerous incidents when unarmed black men have been killed, just 'cause.

Oh, because it was TN, not NYC.
No it was because she was a woman, not a man. Women, of course pose no threat to police officers.


Maybe they didn't want to waste ammunition because she was wearing armor, ya think?

WHITE, she got a pass.

Let's hope this deranged (and protected) white woman gets treatment, because she's obviously mentally disturbed. I'm delighted, seriously, that no one was harmed, including the shooter.

That said, had this been a black man, or black woman, the shooter would be dead, dead, dead.

There is too much noise. Different people, different forces. We don't know the history of this TN dept. They may train for officers to contain and wait out a threat. You can't make a valid case from this little data with so many factors at play.

They empty a mag into a black/Hispanic, they get a paid vacation and a hero's welcome back. Probably free drinks at the cop bar.
And, a substantial amount of donations into an internet account.

They shoot a middle-class white woman on the Stuart Heights Baptist Church parking lot, they lose the badge and get run out of town.

Hell, I bet she wasn't wearing a hoodie, either.

They didn't "contain" the threat, they let her continue down the road, popping off slugs.

You can muddy this up all you want with "Yes, buts..."; still doesn't change reality in America.


Comes down to it, you're doing what the cops did; excusing incredibly dangerous armed behavior because the "thug" happens to be a white lady.

I'll continue being a scientist.

That's an interesting evasion. Since you can't refute my arguments, you'll retreat into patronizing passive-aggressive sanctimony.

Scientifically, explain how letting her tool on down the road shooting randomly into traffic is "containing" the situation.

Take a look in the mirror, Intellectual. You've stubbornly, "scientifically", excused the double standard enacted on a daily basis by the law-enforcement apparatus in this country.

If you can't see what that says about you then you're scientifically in denial. What label do you suppose applies to a person that excuses institutional racism?

The problem with racists is that they never consider themselves racist, just "superior". Intellectually superior sometimes, it seems.

You accuse me of racism, LOL.

All you did was excuse institutional racism and white privilege.

You brought this to a personal level, now your sniffling because I held up a mirror.

You can't be honest, because you're dishonest with yourself.

See you around, Liberal.

Nothing to see here folks- just move along, and do it quietly.

Because this "scientist" has been mumbling about statistics without presenting any, all to explain away why this white lady was given a pass.

Racist exceptionalism on a Democrat forum. The last several weeks have been a real eye-opener.

There are way too many prolific posters here that express the same sentiments as that racist jerk writing on behalf of "white America". They're just a bit subtler, and don't list them all out like that. Like it or not, MIRT doesn't get to zap them unless it's OTT racism. It's not one person- not by a long shot.

I never told 1SBM to not talk about racism. I just asked him to not re-post the message a troll signed up 15 times to keep re-posting over and over, which included multiple personal attacks. That troll wanted that message to be seen and MIRT was working very hard to make it not seen. I have the PM's to prove this.

We've got a lot of people that confuse condecension with a lack of racism. Unfortunately, a lot of liberal/progressive white people suffer under a delusion of "white man's burden".

And, yes, we have some very active trolls expressing racist sentiments just barely inoffensive enough to slide under the radar. All the police-apologists fall in that category, the ones that have little to say unless it's to excuse racist behavior by the police. We need to raise awareness of this so that juries quit ignoring the problem and start "hiding" the racists for their continual disruptions.

Every thread reporting police racism becomes a flame-fest due to the false-excuses and nullification of these "sly" little racists. We all have the duty, under the jury system, of making it clear that the under-stated racism is unacceptable.

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I"ve got it now, thanks.

I've got that sorted out now. Yes, that business has me questioning.

I made a comment about statistics and comparing two events to draw a larger conclusion. One can compare all police shootings from one dept. and determine how more often blacks are shot than whites. But to make such a case based on one outcome alone isn't a sufficient sample.

As for you attitude - You accuse anyone that disagrees with you of racism. It's sad. I was highlighting that police can and do taken people who are armed into custody alive and that we should be forcing police departments to do that in every case possible. I'm well aware that police have a racist fear of young black men and tend to shoot first. A search of my posting history confirms I'm well aware of that. Why you decided to lash out at me I'm unsure of.

you're not insincere in your membership here.

And I'm going to make a suggestion:
Cruise the AA Group. Just read. Try to see the world as it exists for PoC. Maybe it will change your self-perception as well. If you want to talk to me about this afterward, PM me.

As for your attitude: "Why you decided to lash out at me..." You engaged me, Nutmeg. I didn't come looking for you. I discounted your reply to my post because it was an inaccurate deflection. Gradually, as you continued to ignore the implications of this thread to prop up your inner disquiet on the subject, hiding it behind a thin shroud of "statistics", your misgivings became clear. Then you made a personal attack. I responded by suggesting you need some introspection.

I really don't call everyone that disagrees with me a "racist". That perception (and I'm sure you need to believe it) is merely a self-defense mechanism. I'm going to walk away from this now. Feel free to make a parting shot at my back if that protects your self-esteem.

You can follow my suggestion or not, as you wish. I understand that a self-inventory is too painful and frightening for some.

The fact that the driver was white and a woman had a lot to do with why police didn't just shoot her down immediately. A black man in a similar situation would have been killed on sight without doubt.

I'm glad we can reach an agreement on this.

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Daughters in white families do not have to be warned, to carry firearms recklessly, as they know that they will not be shot when confronted by cops.

Sounds like a tea party partriot. Maybe this was the revolution that Alex Jones keeps talking about.

Yes, :dripping: with it.

And people still complain.

similar circumstances.

In America is has always been if you is white you is all right.

This is just one of many story's that pop up from time to time where a white person can pretty much getaway with doing something that would get a black, brown or yellow person killed by the police.

It has been happening for over 400 years here and it is not going to change anytime soon.

is some kind of suspended animation for civil rights and common sense in high crime neighborhoods, but in rich areas your rights are fully protected.

A form of apartheid.

eyes once again. If you are WHITE in America & openly threaten a cops life they will make every possible effort to spare you. Hell if you are WHITE in this country you can flaunt your handy dandy rifles with ammo, while openly berating cops in this country & this country & they'll sit down & have coffee with you.

Now on the other hand you may not be over the age of 10 with brown skin carrying anything that may appear to look like a gun or rifle or you will be executed on site. As your age increases as does the chances that you will be executed by a cop for not doing anything close to what has been described above & exercised plenty by our white citizens.

Anyone that still thinks their is not a clear bias between the cops & whites in this country & that young minorities especially black men have targets on their backs are either delusional or part of the fuckin problem.