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Is this the NYPD's "Pretorian Guard Moment?"Last week the NYPD turned their backs on the Mayor and Police Commissioner in a flagrant gesture of contempt. This week we find out that they're engaged in an unofficial 'work stoppage,' where they've apparently decided to stop giving out traffic tickets, and arresting people for minor crimes until they get what they want. This is partly about their public position that they're not getting enough 'respect' and 'support' from De Blasio, but it's also about the police union contracts that are currently under negotiation. De Blasio is now headed for an emergency meeting with the police unions.
http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/
Could this set an unfortunate precedent? Could this be the NYPD's "Pretorian Guard Moment?"
Perhaps a history lesson is in order. Remember this guy? This is the Roman Emperor Claudius, hiding behind a curtain in 41 A.D.. The Emperor Caligula had just been assassinated, and the Roman Senate had decided they didn't want anymore emperors, and wanted to return to a republic. But the pretorian guardsmen, who had a nice job guarding the Emperor decided they didn't want to be unemployed. So, they went and found Caligula's uncle Claudius, grabbed him out from behind a curtain where he'd been hiding, shoved him in front of the Senate and said "Here's your new Emperor, like it or not."
That was the moment Rome officially became a police state, and from then on, nobody could become emperor without first getting the unofficial approval of the Pretorian Guards. Usually by offering them a large bribe, which would be payable when the candidate ascended the throne. From that moment on, the Pretorian Guard became a POLITICAL entity that had to be appeased by any politician who wanted to become Emperor.
Is this where New York is headed? Anybody who wants to be, or STAY Mayor of New York will have to appease the NYPD, or they'll just decide to stop enforcing the law? Welcome to Rome, folks.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)then NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg ( http://observer.com/2011/11/mayor-bloomberg-i-have-my-own-army-11-30-11/ ).
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)Canada.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Deep state don't care who gets elected.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)deleted information. There might have been plenty of CIA political coups going on behind the scenes that we never knew about, but THAT CIA coup happened in broad daylight. And the fact that Obama won't do anything about it is the worst part of the coup. It means they can get away with this again, in future.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)Although, it was before the Claudius thing happened. Also, it was a rug he was wearing, but still, it was a pretty juicy role for him! Especially when he got to do all those purvy scenes with Patricia Quinn (from the Rocky Horror Picture Show). Stewart also got a pretty juicy role from BBC when he played LENIN in 'Fall of Eagles.' All they had to do was stick a goatie on him, and you couldn't tell him from the real Lenin.
Anyway, in I Claudius, Stewart got some of the best lines thrown at him, WHICH ARE STILL TRUE.
These are my favorites:
Gallus: "I'm not signing any confession for you to produce after I'm dead. Either put me on trial or murder me and take the consequences."
Sejanus: "I've no need of a trial to prove your guilt."
Gallus: "A song sung by every small town corrupt policeman, which is what you are and what you should have stayed."
Gallus: "I've watched your career with fascination, Sejanus, it's been a revelation to me. I never before realized how a small mind, allied with unlimited ambition and without scruple could destroy an entire nation full of clever men."
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)They have gone beyond the bounds of legitimate union behavior, and instead of representing the interests of their officers, they are seeking to build the political power of their institution against democratically elected authority. Since they wield force, doing so borders on fascism. If they take this any further, crush them. Force officers to choose between doing their jobs and being part of a gang of thugs, and then throw the thugs the hell out.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)with increased salaries and benefits, and increased job security, as a tradeoff for them agreeing to greater oversight. (Civilian oversight committees, with big staff etc.) That's what liberals are supposed to do. A) greater respect for workers, combined with B) greater accountability and transparency to the public.
So, if I were de Blasio, I'd make good deals like that with the FDNY and sanitation workers etc.; and then slow roll the contract negotiations with the NYPD as long as they're engaging in THIS nonsense. He can't afford to yield to this kind of blackmail, it sets a precedent that anybody who wants to be or stay Mayor of New York has to appease the NYPD. Nobody wants that except the NYPD.
One think the NYPD should be reminded of is that de Blasio, like other liberal politicians, is pro-union. And if you undermine him politically, you'll end up getting a conservative Mayor who is ANTI-union. Those anti-union conservative politicians may pay homage to the NYPD unions for the purpose of driving a wedge between them and the other public sector unions; but once all those other unions have been broken, they WILL come after the NYPD unions.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It is a violation of the RICO act, and a federal crime.
The justice department needs to step in.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)union reps and GOP political operatives. They could also subpoena email accounts to see if union leaders told their members to do this. It didn't just happen spontaneously, as they're suggesting. A 5% drop in traffic tickets and minor arrests could be explained by police officers being 'cautious.' But a 60% drop in minor arrests, and a 94% drop in traffic tickets cannot be explained that way. This is being coordinated.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)We would never have had the transfer of wealth from Main Street to the One Percent, with Obama/Geithner/Bernanke and Holder's full approval.
Largest ransfer of wealth in history, at least going as far back as what the nobility in France did to the average worker in late eighteenth century. (And we remember how that ended.)
Oh and that transfer of wealth is still on going.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)bad behavior. That's usually enough. Think of it this way, the NYPD that responded to Occupy Wallstreet was basically the Bloomberg NYPD. 'nuff said.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Violence and how Homeland Security helped them realize that the protesters were nothing more than domestic terrorists!
TRoN33
(769 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)OF CALLS.
On the other hand, if the officers don't want to work, new officers should be hired and eventually those who do not work will be fired for insubordination.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)includes pay raises, more benefits, and (most importantly) more job security. And give them this in exchange for greater oversight. (Firefighters having to pass competency exams and fitness tests; and having more civilian oversight committees to investigate corruption and incompetence...not that there's much of that in the FDNY.) But this is what a liberal politician should do. Bring in A) Greater job security for public sector unions, in exchange for B) greater accountability and transparency. It's a fair trade off.
If de Blasio does THIS for the FDNY as a reward for remaining politically neutral; and simultaneously plays hardball with the NYPD unions, given that they're actively trying to undermine him and get rid of him, they'll eventually get the message. This can't be allowed to stand as a precedent, no matter WHO is Mayor. The idea that the NYPD will get away with taking down any Mayor they don't like. That would be a de facto police state.
And, at the same time, the NYPD unions should realize that liberal politicians are pro-union. If you undermine them you'll end up getting conservative, anti-union Mayors who only pay homage to the NYPD in order to drive a wedge between them and other public sector unions. Once they've broken the other unions, they'll come after the NYPD union, too.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)K&R it. Great ideas in my opinino.