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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:42 AM Jan 2015

A map of which states have highest prison population








The incarceration rate in the US is the highest in the world.

According to the American Civil Liberties Union, although the US is home to only 5 percent of the world's population, it boasts 25 percent of the world's prisoners. About one in 100 American adults are behind bars, the Economist reports.

If those stats aren't enough to shock you, consider that the state of New Hampshire alone has about the same number of prisoners as the entire country of Israel.

Now that's shocking, right?

Of course, the overflow of prisoners in the US causes all sorts of problems. For starters, it's expensive to incarcerate people. Those pushing for prison reform have been steadily raising their voices.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/this-map-shows-you-just-how-many-prisoners-are-in-each-us-state/
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A map of which states have highest prison population (Original Post) davidn3600 Jan 2015 OP
What do other countries do with all of their criminals, especially the habitual offenders? QuestionableC Jan 2015 #1
Many civilized countries use rehabilitation rather than punishment.. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #4
+1 nt Live and Learn Jan 2015 #11
^+1000^ defacto7 Jan 2015 #23
and then there's the debtor's prison efforts in many states Demeter Jan 2015 #24
good post! nt Boreal Jan 2015 #28
Maybe we're just over-criminalized and over-punished. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2015 #21
Israel has over 6x the population of New Hampshire, for perspective, there Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #2
+1 nt Live and Learn Jan 2015 #12
The figures were per 100,000 of the population nxylas Jan 2015 #16
THANK YOU Boreal Jan 2015 #30
Land of the FREE! sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #3
thanks and very interesting. But - these state by state numbers Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #5
Yes-- they are per 100,000 population. TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #8
It's per 100k population Marrah_G Jan 2015 #18
Find it off that MA is half RI and half CT (my home state)...WTF is up with that? Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #6
Possession of marijuana under 1 oz in MA is a ticket Fearless Jan 2015 #10
That' a relatively recent change MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #29
Very true Fearless Jan 2015 #32
Massachusetts has the lowest marijuana arrest rate as of 2012, most recent year available Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #35
AND...what's up with Delaware??? Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #7
I'd like to think it is because it is banksters paradise, but they don't go to jail for their crimes corkhead Jan 2015 #27
Why is Guam being listed as a foreign nation?? Fearless Jan 2015 #9
Our incarceration rate is utterly disgusting. Live and Learn Jan 2015 #13
US prisons have also become the defacto mental health facilities since bbgrunt Jan 2015 #14
The United States of Punishment Tom Ripley Jan 2015 #15
Why the south again? world wide wally Jan 2015 #17
Easy, give a black man a criminal record and you take away his ability to vote. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #22
"For starters, it's expensive to incarcerate people." Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #19
Who dat say they gonna out-incarcerate Louisiana? Comrade Grumpy Jan 2015 #20
It's a business here. defacto7 Jan 2015 #25
That looks like a map of failed conservative policies Kalidurga Jan 2015 #26
Figures don't lie but liars figure...look at incarceration by race by state HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #31
PLUS ONE Enthusiast Jan 2015 #33
Kicked Enthusiast Jan 2015 #34
USA! USA! USA! progressoid Jan 2015 #36

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. Many civilized countries use rehabilitation rather than punishment..
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:06 AM
Jan 2015

And that reduces recidivism rates. Our huge recidivism rate is directly due to the punitive nature of our prison system, among the worst in the civilized world.

Other nations are not throwing people in jail for non-violent crimes, as we do. Such as pot smokers eg.

A new effort, bi-partisan, surprisingly, to reduce the prison population here is having some success. Even morons like Newt Gingrich seem to have concluded that our 'no tolerance, punish, three strikes and you're out, drug laws etc, that his party are mostly responsible for, isn't working.

Alternatives to prison for non-violent offenders are now being offered with some success. Court intervention organizations are working with the judiciary to provide judges with alternative sentencing, such as community service, rehab, job training etc.

So there is now an effort to try to end those old Reagan policies, 'tough on crime', because they have been a huge failure for this society. We have too many laws that carry prison sentences. Whereas in other countries they would carry a fine.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
24. and then there's the debtor's prison efforts in many states
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:36 AM
Jan 2015

I'll bet no other nation aside from China has enslaved their prison population to manufacturing businesses...

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
21. Maybe we're just over-criminalized and over-punished.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:22 AM
Jan 2015

I don't think Americans are really that much worse than everybody else.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
2. Israel has over 6x the population of New Hampshire, for perspective, there
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:54 AM
Jan 2015

and every US state has a higher incarceration rate than any Western European country. The USA is also unique in the world in its extensive use of solitary confinement for prisoners (there are an estimated 80,000 US prisoners in solitary, which is more than most countries have prisoners, full stop). Long-term solitary confinement has been defined as torture by the UN.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
16. The figures were per 100,000 of the population
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:54 AM
Jan 2015

So having 6x the population doesn't really affect the statistics.

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
30. THANK YOU
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:37 AM
Jan 2015
If those stats aren't enough to shock you, consider that the state of New Hampshire alone has about the same number of prisoners as the entire country of Israel.


I KNEW that was bullshit. For starters, Israel probably doesn't count Palestinian prisoners because they're not Israeli or "subhuman". Then there's the little matter of the open air concentration camp they lord it over called Gaza. Makes me wonder who wrote such BS (didn't look at link).
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
5. thanks and very interesting. But - these state by state numbers
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 02:13 AM
Jan 2015

are not adjusted based on per capita, are they?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
29. That' a relatively recent change
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:35 AM
Jan 2015

Even before that, for the most part, cops here refused to arrest anyone for posession because it would unnecessarily @$!# up their lives.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
32. Very true
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jan 2015

And honestly now, they still don't frequently ticket, especially in college towns. It is very tedious to fill out paperwork for 50 tickets a night, so frequently it ends up being a warning and occasionally confiscation.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
35. Massachusetts has the lowest marijuana arrest rate as of 2012, most recent year available
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:16 AM
Jan 2015

In New York, one out of every eight arrests - 12.7 percent - are for simple marijuana possession. But in Massachusetts, fewer than one out of every 100 arrests are for marijuana possession.
Those ratings don't include the newly legal States, but MA should be proud.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
14. US prisons have also become the defacto mental health facilities since
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 03:42 AM
Jan 2015

we have decided to essentially eliminate the difference between criminals and people with mental illnesses. Not sure what the policies are in other countries, but they probably either generate fewer mental illnesses or have stronger community methods of dealing with them.

Another caution for international comparisons--some countries don't have a big prison population because they simply kill trouble-makers rather than taking them to trial.....a result which we seem to be rapidly approaching.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
19. "For starters, it's expensive to incarcerate people."
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:03 AM
Jan 2015

You always have to mention MONEY to get through to Americans.

The MORALITY?

Yeah,....uh huh...

Then, of course any talk of doing a mass release gets Right Wingers all in a lather about murderers and rapists and thieves coming to get you in your bed.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
20. Who dat say they gonna out-incarcerate Louisiana?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 04:15 AM
Jan 2015

Up to 20 years in prison for third offense pot possession.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
26. That looks like a map of failed conservative policies
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:17 AM
Jan 2015

of course Conservatives will be proud of their lock em up policies, the cost in human lives means nothing to them.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
31. Figures don't lie but liars figure...look at incarceration by race by state
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:27 AM
Jan 2015

It's a different story if you look at by race by state http://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html

And when you do that, places once thought bastions of progress like Wisconsin look multiples worse than Louisiana. Racism creates and maintains reinforcing circumstance for prejudice and discrimination.



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