Accepting it unquestioningly is.

Sadly, we've got some Putin Brown Nosers (Or rather, what this is a more tame version of...) to deal with as well.

but not on Rmoney. I can't spell it any other way.

Also I don't rec DU to anybody because of the language.

Many articulate, intelligent, well-educated people use the word "fuck," both here and in real life.

What did you think of the last Rude Pundit piece?

Mostly I see an overuse of that word that comes off like, ummm, like, ahhh and other filler words. If someone like California Peggy (sorry Peggy dear for bring you in to this) used that word it would have power, but it's mostly a cliché. Doesn't particularly bother me as I just mentally delete it and go on.

I laughed out loud when I saw it and thought "very cool." I cuss when I'm angry as well, and we've had a lot to be angry about for the past several years.

I knew that she was righteously angry. Most other use of that word is just hot air.

Usage of an occasional "fuck" in no way reflects on the speaker's (or writer's) command of the language.

My beef with CK John's comment arose more from his apparently reflexive umbrage at its use, regardless of context.

use of fuck is not occasional or perhaps everything is an occasion. Often it doesn't even make sense. But as I said it mostly makes me no never mind, whatever that means. I just skip over most scatological words unless they are by someone who seldom if ever uses them.

where people use it as punctuation, essentially. It's certainly more effective when used sparingly.

all bent out of shape about it. It is just a word. And used so commonly
it lost connection to the act.

acceptable and the other one not?

There's a cyber beer for those who know the correct answer.

In those days the French forms were considered acceptable and the old, Anglo-Saxon forms were considered vulgar.

dirty words appear in that you read in your English Literature 101 class? This one is worth two beers. One for you and one for me.

one of the greatest story tellers of all.

I can halfway deal with it if someone throws a name out while they're making an argument, but name-calling as the entire argument drives me crazy, and the possibility of it does affect my behavior sometimes. There are some topics I won't post in because of this.

The only reason for someone to use this tactic is to silence the person it's being used on, and derail the discussion. I call it "disruption" even if I agree with the person doing it.

which is much more prevalent than epithets.
When someone doesn't like your argument but lacks the intelligence to counter it.

For example replying to an argument "Merry Christmas"

WTF?!

well taken.

IMO.

Since I don't have a large post number, I can be treated very rude and then complained about to the jury.

I have decided to just love everyone.

Sorry that people have treated you rudely.

Of talking with them.

Roughly a quarter of my jury duties were because of this.

to see the difference in the retorts...

Glad you're here! When I see a low post count, I usually jump all over 'em... to say "Welcome to DU!" More often than not, though, it's someone who actually has been around here for awhile and just hadn't posted too frequently. Glad you're here, whether you've been a longtime lurker OR a more recent arrival.

I believe a greater problem here is responses so thin-skinned about those words to the point of considering them a personal affront.

Institutional racism is a tragic and deeply ingrained part of our country's history. It has been reduced through dialogue. Yet sadly, it's still prevalent.

I believe we as democrats should encourage dialogue on it. And listen with open hearts and minds.

The "actual arguments" have been made ad infinitum. That you take issue with the discussion of racism and white privilege on this board is curious to say the least.

Don't feel bad, there were a number of DU'ers who were MIA in these discussions.

although we have had many discussions of racism and white privilege and white male prvilege on this board in the past, i have NEVER encountered a topic where-in these epithets have been used in postings.

we would like to admit.


ALL White people in America enjoy HEAPING amounts of "white privilege" every single day of their life...

Many white people in America are selfish, in a way that is unique to them in that they have white privilege, refuse to admit it, but are damn sure not giving it up...

Many whiny white people in America... imagine if American white people had a history, in America, of their ancestors being lynched (in America), being denied service in public and commercial facilities, being denied employment, housing, loans, medical care.

Can you even FATHOM how much whining would be going on?

Shit...

Here is how much white people would whine if they had to live ONE DAY of their lives in the shoes of a Black person, this post of mine will be alerted on almost certainly, so not only would MANY (not all of course, nowhere here am I saying ALL white people, although all white people do have privilege) white people whine like little babies if they had to walk in those shoes, they will whine at just my suggestion of it.

they need to look in a mirror. There's no culpability on their end, it's all the fault of "whiny white people." And there's never any condemnation for the spew quoted above, just back-slapping from members of two of the protected groups. It is not conducive to serious discussion, and a not-too-bright way to rally anyone to "the cause." But if it makes some feel good to knock down whites to make them feel better, so be it. It'll pass. DU comes in waves, and I'm guessing its focus will QUICKLY turn to the destruction being wrought by the GOP-controlled Congress.

There's a cadre of DUers who reserve a lot of schoolyard nastiness for members of the BOG -- indeed, for anyone who would praise an Obama policy.

So yeah, it's childish.

It must hurt after awhile to hear "Rethuglicans" and "Repukes" all day, even while trying to disrupt the sandbox.

How else do you expect us to other-ize people?

Apparently, DUers like name-calling.

Sid

is crossing the line.

It was only 120 Sid? Thought it was a lot more.

I have seen it posted on a few RW sights. I find that. Sid.

You tree in your avatar. It looks like me this season. Every holiday s**ked. Wilted and dying.

Sid

interesting list. Well, no, predictable list!

But then, I don't post at GOP, Libertarian, etc. sites. I've been called just about every name in the book for bringing reason, logic or data into an argument over the years online. I am alert to the tone, too many times it sounds like Rush.

I have used profanity at times, but never called out another member. Still, I get it. If they even snark, not necessarily at me, they're gone from my virtual reality.

Life is too short for that. I'm not into giving or recieving pain, and my mind is not toilet paper nor do I willing visit sewers. Those who fling feces up in the air at others think it's awesome or meaningful.

The law of gravity eventually shows up.

Haha! What goes up must come down. Good one freshwest.

The OP is talking more about calling other DUers names, especially without supporting arguments. Apples and oranges.

They said a lot of shit about Iverglas, too, but at least she used to post here!!

Sid

being accused of being a member of a black psy ops campaign run by the Bush administration in the wake of 9/11.

and it's sad.

way beyond disgusting.

because they SUCK

real life

I never called anyone names in grade school

Someone 4-eyes simply because they are wearing glass's and calling someone a raging homophobic asshole because they are.

"gun humper"? What grade level would that be?

if you don't like this one.

I think name calling is grade school, that's why adults don't do it real life. But if that is your thing go for it.

like they would in real life person to person.

If people here talked to people in real life like they post here they would be punched out. But keyboard warriors and all that ....

That's also why you have alerts and the ignore function.

Were you around in when Usenet was the big game in town?

The difference is, on DU most posters see things in black and white, either or. In real life people fall in between.

I have never been punched out in real life like I have been on DU (metaphorically speaking).

The days when DU had lots of interesting and intelligent discussions, and even at this time of the night the front page of GD had just one hour's worth of posts, it was so full of rich and engaging people.

Tonight it has been on a two hours of front page listings, which means DU postings are roughly half what they used to be.

One thing DU has done is crucify new posters for one mistake, one word in the wrong place, one newbie nuance - and poof, their gone. Meanwhile we are infested with long time posters who don't even post a Journal, and some who run around mouthing snide remarks that are off topic and just mean, personally pointed attacks.

DU, these days, sucks. Thanks in part to fan clubbers.

I think name-calling makes DU suck. Can't we grow up a bit?

and usually masks deficiencies in the author's substantive arguments.

However, its use is entirely unsurprising in an anonymous internet political forum, and can be easily ignored in a discussion concerning larger and more important issues and concerns.

. . . too many people are incapable of reasoned, adult discourse and wouldn't have anything to say if they gave up name-calling, insults, nitpicking, and cussing people out. It's so bad out there that I've seen pleas for civility listed in articles on the various types of trolling.

Learning how to shred someone's arguments without resorting to name-calling is a valuable skill.

you won't find it in most impassioned arguments, lease of all here.
Oddly the only other place I see so much name calling is 4chan...

than a Republican

One of my wishes for 2015 is that we reduce the name-calling. What we must improve in our country is too vital to be careless with words.

Great post Comrade Grumpy. Happy new year to you and your loved ones.

I don't let it bother me. If it's true-resenting it isn't going to alter the fact.
If it isn't true, why let it affect you?

on an anonymous discussion board?

Is it an in-group joke?
why does someone kill perfectly innocent electrons with this?

Since the OP asked for civility, the poster was ironically uncivil. It made me laugh, anyways.

some of those who like to name-call. I've noticed that often the ones who resort to name calling don't debate or make any points of substance, so this would be taking away the only way to debate that they apparently know how to do.

would be preferable.

some here can only reply with a and many will come along and agree with that .

If you manage to stick around long enough, you will find those with substance and intellect.

Welcome to DU.

as the standard for things bad and/or despicable.

But sadly, it is part and parcel of DU.

I kid I kid.

Cheers!

Name-calling is inane. However, calling Repukes, "Republicans" shows respect (however little it may be) that they do not merit. I will continue to call them "repiggies". They do not deserve anything better. Of course, I do not mind calling them "willfully ignorant", as that happens to be an accurate description!

Isn't that name calling??

LOL

Isn't that a bit childish?

AARGH- infinite loop!

Folks get real emotional around here....always have, always will I suppose. Emotions rule the day when you see name calling.


You must not be a real progressive...

Dumbya,etc., those crack me up.

Or should we call him COMMANDER PUTIN!

I did laugh out loud at "Putin on the ritz," though.

Has a nice ring to it