politics.

Trying to explain that to our Fox News Personality.

those terms are racist you are wasting your time.

I know that in my head. I just can't shut up, though. I try, but I simply can't.

What you would call Samuel L. Jackson's character in "Django Unchained?"

Personally I see racism as the result of an intent of racism. If you don't intend to be racist, if you're seeing say, this character as a problem, almost as much and as hated as the slaver, then isn't the intent to demonize him? And isn't that OK?

Then again, I realize a lot of people don't apparently "intend" racism, that do some quite racist things. And I'd agree, calling Obama a "House negro," seems racist. That said, pointing out certain black "journalists," who go on FOX and promote policies that are hurtful to the poor, or blacks, I think is not intended to be racist.

I am just trying to explain that if it's racist to say about people we like then it's racist when it's people we don't like.

I know people who use the n word liberally t describe blaxks they don't like, but tell me 'not you, your fine, n***** just means ignorant person'. But they never call white people those things. See ? It's the same thing.

you are pretty much speaking into an empty well. Those that don't get it seem determined to NOT get it, and it is admirable to try to get them to step outside of themselves for 15 seconds. That said, for the one out of a million that wake up and smell the coffee, you have the other 999,999 that are determined to remain clueless.

Maybe I'm too cynical, though.

I just cannot stop until it's clear. I'll probably die from the insanity of repeating myself all the time.

I just stumbled across it.

I've seen acrobats do fewer contortions than what went on in that thread.

Because a lot of folks here have NO problem with it.

Thank you.

even had to say this. I would have thought that it was understood that this is never okay.

Maybe he will now. I'd like that.

he/she is using the worst possible word that he/she can think of without using the word that he/she really wants to use.

I've seen nothing to indicate that. If you have something that you think does, you should post it, otherwise it's just a baseless smear.

it is a general observation that only a criminal has a use for criminal tools.

A bit over the top sensitive, too.

That would be fucked up. But you are probably right. Everytime i think your wrong, your right.

He was so damn wrong-wing he was just simply irredeemable. And he'd send these obnoxious emails around, and forward email threads about such sterling topics as "why can't I say the 'N-word'? MY rights! MY rights!" Couldn't delete it fast enough but I never wanted to block him - I felt that I had better keep track. I did want to know what kind of shit my mother was being exposed to whenever they got together.



Dear GOD that was repulsive. And he was serious. And totally sincere. He really believed it. Cast-in-bronze teabagger he was.

My mom sure went downhill toward the end, and I'm not just talking health-wise.

Which should go without saying....

I know it was not intended to be harmful. At least there's that.

I was really mostly objecting to the Mia Love thread. From earlier. I just don't want to see people doing that this time. We should object to her strange politics instead of the Aunt Jemima or Uncle Tom stuff. Sounds so ignorant, right? No more cracker or trailer trash stuff either. Tired. So stupid. I cringe.

Sadly, i'm not surprised.
In a similar fashion, the propensity of many here to wish actual death on people like Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Cheney, Christie, etc. And they're not shy about describing just how they want them to go!!
I never had any use for Chavez, but when he got cancer, I shook my head. I HATE cancer. While I hoped he would lose his power, I'd never wish him to lose it because of disease.

Arrested, yeah. Unemployed? Sure. But dead in a painful way? No. Death is so final.

Another one used in that thread is "token".

Going by jury results in that thread, DU needs to hear this. Recced.

Along with Any racial terms. I don't even use cracker cause it's stupid and bigoted. I love this place.

was presenting the mindset of Republicans. It wasn't endorsing that sort of thinking, it was criticizing by adopting it.

Bryant

When he dropped some N-bombs, he specifically said that the point was that it made fun of the racist assholes who use the word and mean it.

It's probably something i would steer clear of myself, but I could see where that poster was coming from.

Bryant

it was okay for this one white man to use the n word because he was using it "ironically" sounds incredibly stupid.

He had no business using that word and I have no doubt that he knew it. But also knew that his white fans, especially the clueless ones, would be okay with it because he was using it "ironically" and he was George Carlin, hero.

But I think using the term to portray a white mindset is different than using it to comment on black people.

There's that movie Selma which just opened or is about to - i don't know if the white people in that movie use that term, but i'd expect them too - because it's portraying how racist the south is at that time.

Bryant

resorting to the very language that is the source of so much pain.

The way DU froths over Carlin, surely he was intelligent enough to lampoon racism without using racist language.

First the clip that made me start becoming more liberal - about bombing brown people:

There are black conservatives. Conservative policies should be attacked. Not people. My best friend is black, gay, retired military and conservative.old time conservative and has not voted GOP in the last 10 years He's the smartest person I know. It hurts my heart when if some people think he's an Uncle Tom because he identifies himself as conservative. We have had many debates on issues but never once did I think he was being made a fool.

It's no wonder they think Democrats are racist too. If one of use finds out a black man or woman is conservative, the attacks become racial. I hate that. Attack their looney positions if they have them. Better that way.

but I still remember--
a very progressive woman asked me this:
if a guy with glasses harasses her, she may refute his harassment by making fun of his wearing glasses,
so..
if a guy who is Black, harasses her, is it racist for her to use the n word?

DUH!

also there was a white guy, whose car I was a passenger in, and he was almost swiped by another driver who was Black.
this guy whose car I was in used the n word!

when I expressed my shock and disgust, he "explained":
He only used the n word for Black people he doesn't like.

!!

people use the excuse of someone they don't like, to be racist.

It is never ok to use racial slurs no matter how evil the person is -
you can say what you want about SC judge Clarence Thomas, curse him, curse his momma, whatever...but if the insults turn into racial insults then it is racist, no matter what a bad guy he is.

Same as my friend and being harassed in the street. I hate being harassed by men, and I may curse them in any which way, but if I am reduced to racial curses, then I am a racist. Flat out.

someone else's bad behavior does not justify racist response.

It's an excuse. There is a sickness in our society.

I agree with your post. I would, however, like to make a small comment about your use of the word "looney", since we're talking about language. That word has historically been used to refer to people with mental or psychiatric disabilities, and can be seen as ableist language.

I guess I use it to feel superior to them because I'm diagnosed but they seem more crazy than I do.

And she was SAVAGED. She printed a long list of "tweets" she got after that and she was called everything under the sun. Didnt seem to bother her, but it bothered me. No excuse for it.

I had other reasons to slightly dislike her. I had assumed she would vote Romney. I'm sure a few other famous black conservatives did too. But she did get it real bad, tho. I stayed out of it, I didn't want to read the comments. I think we make too much of a big deal when a black person is a republican. We are not all the same. Why should we be?

See, your "but" was to point out how bad it was for her. WHen you'd hear other well-known people be asked about it, they would say "Oh, thats terrible! I dont think thats right at all! But......." and then go on with some blather about her positions on whatever. Which is pretty much the same as saying "i understand why people did it, even if I wouldnt"

My personality type is the worst for Presidenting.
Too empathetic and introverted. I'd end up a hermit.

I don't like the terms at all either and never use them. Focus on the stupid politics they believe in instead. This is a great thread.

Peace

I can't imagine using any of them anywhere.

Though I don't agree with either on most things, I rarely click a thread here about either because of the racist shit that is allowed around here...

I don't like it, though. Not my website, however, so I just have to ignore things that are left in threads by juries if they offend me. It doesn't look like juries are going to hide that stuff as things are. They should still be alerted, though and comments posted in the threads indicated that such terms are unwelcome. Maybe people will get it eventually.

I've heard some do it.

I was explaining a reality.

resist this explanation; but, when a Black person uses racially derogatory language, it carries a different meaning, than when a non-Black person uses it.

With that said, I disapprove of such language used by anyone, Black or non-Black, and have put, both, Black and non-Black, out of my house for using that type of language.

thanks for answering, I was curious. I get the difference (i.e. the rap songs and such). Good for you re putting them out of the house! I would never use it. I've heard black people use it - though I don't know if as a white person I'd be OK to put them out of the house!

more importantly should they be called on it? I think yes, they should.

being a white person accusing a black person of using racist terms - against black people.

Definitely no one should use those terms.

So the answer is no.

There are plenty of names for the Herman Cains of the world that can also be applied to the McCains of the world, race neutral.

Using racial innuendos is racist no matter who says it

So I think the answer to the question you're asking is "no, it's not OK to racially abuse someone, even if you are the same race as them yourself".

If we disagree with their politics then make a intelligent argument why. Some of the things I read here looks like it was an cut and paste for a tea party site.

They say 'plantation', we say house negro or uncle tom. No better than them.

am told.

It means a black person doing white people's bidding, and that's what these men do, genrally to the detriment of those of their own race. No reason not to call it what it is.

This is entirely unrelated to calling Michelle Obama "Aunt Jemima". There is just no comparison