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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:26 PM Jan 2015

Film Footage Of 1904 London Street Traffic

I love watching old film footage (especially from before WW 1) and found this on Youtube.

Inevitably people will comment on Victorian/Edwardian footage "all those people are dead".

What is intriguing about THIS footage is while all the people are dead… there are entities shown in this footage that are very much still alive…. the corporations advertised on the omnibuses. For fun I jotted down the corporations that still exist. See how many you recognize. I counted 6 that I knew.

The heavy traffic footage starts around 1.40 and at the very end you see one, singular automobile!

One last observation: while a woman stepping back into London of 1904 would immediately look out of place a man in a suit might actually not look like a total freak.

Oh, and it's hard not to think of the novel "Black Beauty" seeing all those horses. The streets must have been covered in manure.

ENJOY AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!


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Film Footage Of 1904 London Street Traffic (Original Post) KittyWampus Jan 2015 OP
Thanks edhopper Jan 2015 #1
Yeah, plenty of traffic, horse-drawn, ads on vehicles, foot traffi. The only differences I see . . . brush Jan 2015 #14
observations and thank you for this wonderful thing roguevalley Jan 2015 #34
So many of the omnibuses has NESTLE on them I almost thought it was a modern advertisement KittyWampus Jan 2015 #50
Interesting they could take moving film before there were major numbers of cars treestar Jan 2015 #2
this is considered the oldest film ever made it and it comes from 1888 roguevalley Jan 2015 #37
Wow! treestar Jan 2015 #45
Thanks so much, these are incredible. How did you find them, are you a photog. expert? appalachiablue Jan 2015 #46
Nice! tenderfoot Jan 2015 #60
Lipton is not a well known brand in the UK these days, though muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #38
They were traveling on the left side of the road even back then. (nt) PotatoChip Jan 2015 #3
Since the Romans nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #5
Hmmm. That is an interesting little factoid. PotatoChip Jan 2015 #6
Since there've been roads, in fact. The Romans kept to the left, as well. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #7
k/r Cool video nationalize the fed Jan 2015 #4
Plus: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #13
At the time, some of the veterans of that war were still living. NT Ex Lurker Jan 2015 #30
Back in the 70's there was this nostalgia bullshit going on... Archae Jan 2015 #8
I can imagine everything reeking of ammonia Warpy Jan 2015 #56
Except in mud! Archae Jan 2015 #58
You know the first automobile yuiyoshida Jan 2015 #9
I had always heard that the first internal combustion automobiles . . . brush Jan 2015 #15
Didn't see any horseless carriages yuiyoshida Jan 2015 #16
there is one at the very end! At about 3:50 KittyWampus Jan 2015 #17
Thanks.. yuiyoshida Jan 2015 #18
Other car companies were in production before Henry Ford got into the act Warpy Jan 2015 #57
a bit earlier lithiumbomb Jan 2015 #62
Random fact: the average speed of horse-drawn traffic in central London was eight miles an hour. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #10
Horses leave crap all over the ground, while cars leave crap all over the air... Xithras Jan 2015 #22
The city hired people to clean the streets. They were known as street sweepers. n/t oneshooter Jan 2015 #26
Nestle, Lipton, and even Grape Nuts. aikoaiko Jan 2015 #11
Think how stressful it must have been to drive back then. randome Jan 2015 #12
The first thing that strikes me about this footage is how less crowded it was back then Hutzpa Jan 2015 #19
Because working folk weren't out and about nichomachus Jan 2015 #24
I was thinking just the opposite. Particulary in the last segment, it was jammed with Fla Dem Jan 2015 #27
I see your point Hutzpa Jan 2015 #43
Lotsa poop! progressoid Jan 2015 #20
There must have been a whole poop disposal industry. tclambert Jan 2015 #28
The Great Manure Crisis of 1894 OnlinePoker Jan 2015 #32
I have got to find a way to work that phrase into conversation. tclambert Jan 2015 #41
Well, "Republican clown car" has gotten a by overused... JHB Jan 2015 #48
Other than hat fads, the basic structure of the modern mens suit has been around since 1850. Xithras Jan 2015 #21
all those hats... irisblue Jan 2015 #29
I don't like hats. Xithras Jan 2015 #49
The history guy for Downtown Abbey was on tv last night & hats were apparently a status symbol KittyWampus Jan 2015 #52
Lol. I knew there was a reason that I don't like hats. Xithras Jan 2015 #63
oh my goodness, that was absolutely wonderful! renate Jan 2015 #23
Streets covered in manure nichomachus Jan 2015 #25
Super cool. blackspade Jan 2015 #31
Neat Stuff RickG Jan 2015 #33
All are wearing HATS, a must then for going out. This is my grandparents & great grands era. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #35
Must have been a lot of hat stores back then. n/t miyazaki Jan 2015 #42
Yep, many hat stores- millinery shops. Women freshened up older hats with different ribbon, faux appalachiablue Jan 2015 #44
Just read a book on CHICKENS which descended from Red Jungle Fowl. Women's hats nearly devastated KittyWampus Jan 2015 #53
Why must we persecute the poor chickens? tclambert Jan 2015 #55
I believe in protecting wildlife & nature conservation, why I wrote of hats trimmed w/ribbon, faux appalachiablue Jan 2015 #59
Nestle's Milk, Lipton Tea, Grapnuts, Pearl soap, Kodak... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #36
HATS, JAYWALKING EVERYWHERE and a lot of MASS TRANSIT. and NO FAT PEOPLE. pansypoo53219 Jan 2015 #39
Yet London itself looks largely the same... KatyMan Jan 2015 #40
I've always been curious about that comment on every one of these videos. chrisa Jan 2015 #47
Thank you for posting this with a proper aspect ratio! kentauros Jan 2015 #51
I can see why Victorian/Edwardian novelists got rid of unwanted characters DavidDvorkin Jan 2015 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #61

brush

(53,791 posts)
14. Yeah, plenty of traffic, horse-drawn, ads on vehicles, foot traffi. The only differences I see . . .
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:35 PM
Jan 2015

are no motorized vehicles and no traffic lights or lane markings to regulate the traffic.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
34. observations and thank you for this wonderful thing
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:31 PM
Jan 2015

it must have been incredibly noisy and dirty. Note the dung on the ground. Someone would come and sweep it up later. Congestion moves along almost by social agreement since there appear to be few around to direct it. Nestles has been around a long time.

People walking in and out are amazing. I feel for the horses. Many died on the street and some were terribly abused. Imagine drawing a double decker bus all day in that chaotic noise and movement. I imagine horses didn't live as long as they were intended because of that alone.

Almost at the very end as the horse drawn vehicles were going all in one direction a car comes against the flow all by itself. I consider that a portent of doom for that life and an omen of the future to come. Extraordinary thing, watching people from another world and era ... another world filled with smells, sounds and sights that might as well be on an alien world go about their business on streets I have walked with buildings around them that I have entered. Lovely thing, this.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
50. So many of the omnibuses has NESTLE on them I almost thought it was a modern advertisement
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:33 PM
Jan 2015

that Nestle had altered old footage.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
2. Interesting they could take moving film before there were major numbers of cars
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jan 2015

Practically all horse traffic. Lots of double deckers.

Lipton Tea, still going strong!

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
37. this is considered the oldest film ever made it and it comes from 1888
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jan 2015


this is the earliest surviving sound and film from the same year



The voice of Florence Nightingale 1890



World's oldest photograph from way the hell back when. truly.



Berlin 1900 in color



you're welcome

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
46. Thanks so much, these are incredible. How did you find them, are you a photog. expert?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jan 2015

The 'Berlin 1900' film is restored & colorized like the History Channel's 'Apocalypse WWI' series. That's quite a tram/electric street car system the Germans had, esp. compared to 1904 scenes of London. And handsome people in the capital city, active & healthy. PBS did a great program this year on Dorothea Lange, maybe you saw it.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
38. Lipton is not a well known brand in the UK these days, though
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jan 2015
Apart from Lipton Ice Tea, none of their products are available for retail in the UK, as only caterers are supplied.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipton

(and no, iced tea is not very popular here, retail or home-made).
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
7. Since there've been roads, in fact. The Romans kept to the left, as well.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jan 2015

the change to right-hand traffic came from revolutionary France and was adopted by many countries in continental Europe thanks to Napoleon.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
4. k/r Cool video
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:50 PM
Jan 2015

Nestles
Quaker Oats
Bovril
Liptons Teas
Pears Soap
Kodak
Old Gold Cigarettes
Grape Nuts
Colmans Mustard
Allsopps

This was interesting



The Crimean War Memorial is a memorial in London that commemorates the Allied victory in the Crimean War of 1853–56. It is located on Waterloo Place, at the junction of Regent Street and Pall Mall

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
13. Plus:
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jan 2015

Cadbury's Cocoa (1st bus, though tricky to read)
Bird's Custard
Hovis (bread)
Fry's Cocoa (merged with Cadbury)
Jeyes Fluid (disinfectant)
Reckitt (household products, merged with Colman's of the mustard)
Holstein (lager)

Interesting how many of those were non-British brands, even then:
Nestle
Quaker Oats
Kodak
Old Gold
Holstein

I hadn't heard of Allsopp's before. Wikipedia says it was a brewery. Or was there something else with that name?

Archae

(46,337 posts)
8. Back in the 70's there was this nostalgia bullshit going on...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jan 2015

People pining for the "good old days."

I did a class report on what the "good old days" were really like, including a picture of a traffic jam in some city, when there were no cars, just horses.

Can you imagine that?

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
56. I can imagine everything reeking of ammonia
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jan 2015

While they could sweep the road apples up, the urine was another matter and if you've ever seen a horse take a leak, you know what a problem it must have been.

Cars, reeking of half combusted oil and other hydrocarbons, must have been a huge step up, which is why everybody wanted one. You didn't have to pay a trainer, hitch them up or pay someone to do it, and the useful lifespan of the average cart horse was far less than the earlier cars, which were built to last and easily repaired. You just got in, set the spark, cranked the sucker, got in and fiddled with spark and carburetor until it purred and took off.

Archae

(46,337 posts)
58. Except in mud!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:06 PM
Jan 2015

Out in the country, most roads were dirt, (not even gravel,) and they turned into mud with a good rain or some wet snow.

yuiyoshida

(41,832 posts)
9. You know the first automobile
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jan 2015

by Henry Ford was in 1908 only two years after this film was made. It would have been cool to see the first automobiles in London as well.

brush

(53,791 posts)
15. I had always heard that the first internal combustion automobiles . . .
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jan 2015

were produced in Germany by Karl Benz in 1888.

In the US Duryea and Olds beat Ford as early as 1902.

yuiyoshida

(41,832 posts)
16. Didn't see any horseless carriages
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jan 2015

in this film, it would have been great if there had been. Not so popular or common as yet.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
57. Other car companies were in production before Henry Ford got into the act
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jan 2015

Ford just figured out how to make them less elaborate and easier to repair and thus cheap enough for the middle class to buy. My dad said his first car was a Model T in the early 30s, out of production by then but being recycled among teenagers until WWII came along and in use by rural folks for longer than that.

My grandmother had a Model A, bought new probably a hundred years ago and chauffeur driven until she kicked my grandfather out and learned to drive it herself. I rode in it as a little kid and thought it was neat. My mother thought it was a thrill a second because my grandmother never learned how to drive all that well. That was in the early 50s.

lithiumbomb

(250 posts)
62. a bit earlier
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jan 2015

Ford Motor Company's first production car was in 1903, though Henry Ford had begun building experimental cars in 1896. The car seen briefly in this film near the end is indeed probably one of the first in London.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
10. Random fact: the average speed of horse-drawn traffic in central London was eight miles an hour.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jan 2015

The average speed of motor vehicle traffic in central London today? Eight miles an hour.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. Think how stressful it must have been to drive back then.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jan 2015

No lane markings or traffic lights, few of the rules, laws and regulations we have today. We complain about rush-hour traffic but that's a lot better than it was a hundred years ago.

Thanks for the post!
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Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
19. The first thing that strikes me about this footage is how less crowded it was back then
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:00 PM
Jan 2015

compared to now. Freedom of movement was a thing of beauty back then, now not so much.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
24. Because working folk weren't out and about
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:29 PM
Jan 2015

Unless their jobs required that. Most people were in service, worked in shops or factories, etc. They put in 12+ hour days and didn't get to stroll around the streets in the daylight.

It was only the well off who got to promenade in the daytime.

Fla Dem

(23,691 posts)
27. I was thinking just the opposite. Particulary in the last segment, it was jammed with
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jan 2015

people and vehicles. I was chuckling because there was actually a traffic jam. I was wondering if it was some sort of holiday because so many people were out and about.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
43. I see your point
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jan 2015

and yes it could also mean that this footage was taken during the weekend or during rush hour.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
28. There must have been a whole poop disposal industry.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:05 PM
Jan 2015

Wiped out by automobiles, which poop into the air.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
48. Well, "Republican clown car" has gotten a by overused...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jan 2015

...even if it still applies. This seems like a worthy replacement.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
21. Other than hat fads, the basic structure of the modern mens suit has been around since 1850.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:11 PM
Jan 2015

Most of the changes have been to the placement of the lines. How far down the neckline drops on the vest, the tail length of the coat, the size of the lapels and collar, etc. The biggest single change has largely been to the materials. Heavy wool suits have been replaced by lighter varieties and other materials that are far more comfortable and durable.

But the basic structure of the modern suit (collared shirt, decorative tie, slacks, and waistcoat) appeared in the mid 1800's as the "lounge suit" and rapidly became popular. The older and more formal suit styles had been completely relegated to special events by 1900 or so.

If a man were to walk down a street in 1900 wearing a modern suit, most people would simply think that it was oddly tailored and a bit too small for him.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
49. I don't like hats.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jan 2015

But yeah, there's been a lot of variety when it comes to mens headware. Tophats, derbys, bowlers, fedoras, boaters, trilbys, hombergs, flatcaps, porkpies, and on and on. All started as suit hats.

I love my suits. I own seven of them, all perfectly tailored, and I wear them regularly. The last time I wore a hat with a suit was at my wedding, where we put all the men in fedoras just for the hell of it (screw tuxes, we were all in matching tailored suits and we looked GOOD). While it worked there, I just don't like the look for day to day wear.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
52. The history guy for Downtown Abbey was on tv last night & hats were apparently a status symbol
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jan 2015

it marked what class you were in in.

Like a way for people to establish pecking order without having to talk about it.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
63. Lol. I knew there was a reason that I don't like hats.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jan 2015

Hats are a tool of oppression used to enforce artificial social hierarchies! I'll have to remember that the next time my wife complains about my dislike for hats (she LOVES hats). The hoi polloi will NOT be subjugated by headware!

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
25. Streets covered in manure
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jan 2015

Yes, they were -- and other stuff besides manure.

One job for the lower classes or the unemployed was known as "crossing sweeper." These were like the guys who "clean your windshield" at stop lights in major cities these days. The sweepers had their own territory, usually a city block or a busy corner. When a woman with a long dress came along, or even a man with expensive shoes or boots, the sweeper would sweep the path in front of them, expecting a gratuity. At the next block another sweeper would take over.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
35. All are wearing HATS, a must then for going out. This is my grandparents & great grands era.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jan 2015

Mother told us how her grandfather from outside Phila. rode one of the first Model T Fords across the Brooklyn Bridge. I saw the BB & NY skyscrapers many times but never appreciated the significance until recently. Very interesting, thanks. TCM shows silent movies on Sunday nights. The plots & scenes are fascinating. Last night it was early Rudolph Valentino, with one film from 1920.
I read how one of JFK's Harvard profs called him & other students a vile term for 'street sweeper,' something like lagger, or slagger. It was intended as an insult since most of those laborers where Irish, no surprise in Boston & New York. Kennedy wanted to obtain horse manure to decorate the profs classroom floor but the prank didn't go forward.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
44. Yep, many hat stores- millinery shops. Women freshened up older hats with different ribbon, faux
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:08 PM
Jan 2015

flowers. GLOVES were also popular. No FAT PEOPLE as a poster wrote- but regular walking, pedestrian life in towns & cities; no giant portions & sedentary lifestyle like now; obesity was uncommon. Women were slim in the 1940s; a friend said b/c they grew up in the Depression. One influence, but also social conformity. Dinner plates were 8"- not 10" or 12" & few fattening, chemical laden processed foods & snacks before the 1950s +.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
53. Just read a book on CHICKENS which descended from Red Jungle Fowl. Women's hats nearly devastated
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jan 2015

Women's hats nearly devastated wild birds in America (thus was born the Audubon society). There was a movement to save them because so many pheasant etc had been wiped out to satisfy the millinery industry in Victorian times. So after birds became protected in the USA, guess what happened?

Milliners went overseas and proceeded to devastate jungle birds in Asia and South America.

The book is called "Why The Chicken Crossed The World".

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
59. I believe in protecting wildlife & nature conservation, why I wrote of hats trimmed w/ribbon, faux
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jan 2015

flowers on fabric or straw. The mania for bird feathers drove hunters to kill off heron, snowy egrets, pelicans on the East Coast & in FL, then exotic birds in SA, elsewhere. Thankfully it was banned. The historic Audubon House in Key West, FL is so nice. Wish I was there, snow here today.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
36. Nestle's Milk, Lipton Tea, Grapnuts, Pearl soap, Kodak...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jan 2015

Traveling billboards, and traffic jams, kicked up dust and horse shit… (those poor horses)…

I'd of hated it then, too!

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
47. I've always been curious about that comment on every one of these videos.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:01 PM
Jan 2015

I think seeing old footage with normal people going on with their lives reminds viewers about their own mortality. This creeps them out. It's also a type of cognitive dissonance, imo - We see all of these people moving around, but we know that they're dead. It's different than seeing a movie with a dead actor because in this instance, nobody from this video is alive anymore.

Very cool movie. Thanks for posting.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
51. Thank you for posting this with a proper aspect ratio!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jan 2015


Yeah, probably not the kind of compliment you were expecting, just reminding me of the one of San Francisco that was posted on YT with a stretched 16x9 ratio, making it pretty much unwatchable (because nothing was the correct shape.)

Remember y'all, correct aspect ratios are more important than filling the whole screen!

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
54. I can see why Victorian/Edwardian novelists got rid of unwanted characters
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jan 2015

by having them run over by carriages.

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