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Great & necessary post sheshe2

Tears~

They have sought to make racist, selfish, illogical thoughts and behaviors normal. They have succeeded. They have engineered this mentality to facilitate the further enrichment of the wealthy.

The answer is there but perhaps a long time ago. I suppose we could just follow the money as usual. Who saw a personal threat in democracy?

if a president can get away with crimes anyone can. putting that pos in jail would have made things different, at least i believe that.

CIA affiliation. Prescott Bush's business with Hitler also. When ya start tracing back the involvement of the Bush family, how they have continued, from back then & up to today, it is a family that has always been somewhere in the shadows with their power and associations. Their move into the Office of President, so often in our US history should point the suspicious arrow directly at the Bush Crime Family.
Continuous power in controlling secrecy & policy for the benefit of their own, throughout US history by one family is pretty much organized crime.
But they had help.
Yes, Nixon.

Lindbergh's, or...) aiding and abetting them. Just imagine if President Obama's family had such ties!

to minorities, Libruls, disabled, and jobless.
We need to support Bernie Sander's call for Publicly Funded Elections. We attack the wealthy's ability to buy our politicians. If we can do this, we can fill up Congress with actual Representatives of the people, not Donors! Then we can bust up the media and banking Oligarchies!

It took years of intentionally coarsening the culture. It took years of undermining traditional public education. The effort is ongoing.

That is the day we lost our soul. And to this day, while the murderers of our country still walk free, and no one seems to care, we have no soul. We have no conscience.
That is why innocent people are killed and beaten here in the USA every day so that the manufacturers of death can continue to do thriving business.

We haven't been the same since.

Leader would have suggested I or my fellow members would have a show of disrespect during the time of mourning of one of my fellow union members I would have shouted louder than they could ever imagine. I suspect when things cool down if the union president is a good person he will apologize to the families and say how sorry this display happened, if he does not do this then they should remove him from office. As the mayor said protest somewhere else, they made a$$es of themselves.

While I don't know him personally, I've heard him speak on television and read somethings about him that make me think they'll keep doubling, and tripling, etc down.

I like sheshe and most others here feel bad for the loss of the two officers who were just doing their job at the time they were murdered. If there were grievances there were other appropriate ways the rank and file could have aired those. They chose to follow the lead of the union president and make it a personal vendetta against the mayor and to disrespect their own police chief.

This guy seems to be out for blood and willing to use the rank and file officers to get it. I agree, they need to consider removing him from office and get someone to represent them who will listen, not act like a jackass.

I totally agree with you.

This is a horrible editorial and the police union should be ashamed

They made this about them.

Poor me SEE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We see exactly what they are.

them are our hope for humanity!

Excellent OP to remind us of what #BlackLivesMatter is all about and the inanity and shallowness of the NYPD who are back stabbers and use their misinterpretation of what Chirleen de Blasio was wearing at Officer Liu's funeral to call her on disrespect; when they are the only ones who were Disrespecting their fellow fallen Officers Raphael Ramos and Wenjian Liu.

Scary what the NYPD is always misinterpreting .. willful and otherwise.

Thank you, she, well done~

The disconnect. Holy....this makes me so very damn angry. Bottom line, It is all about them. How utterly wrong can they get it!?

is real.

It's all about them, their loss, their sacrifice in the line of their jobs. What was conspicuously absent was any sense of sympathy, understanding, let alone empathy to the loss of Eric Garners' family and the families own personal suffering. They're in a compete state of disconnect as to what is taking place in the hearts and minds of the black community in NYC.

Tears~

So many tears for the absolute disconnect from the NYPD. Clueless.

They are just so used to getting their own way that they can't imagine anything is ever going to change. Looks real ugly, real ugly. Losing respect all over the place and still cocky.

Two seconds before you responded to me. Someone sent me the avatar I asked skinner for. Electric monk sent it to me. I love it.

Look and see~

Hugs

I think I might change mine too. I like this one better than the other one.

When did they stop being public servants?

It will restore some of your faith in New Yorkers specifically and humanity generally.

The P.D. has lost the people.

there had to be nine or ten defending the mayor and pointing out how screwed-up and petty that shameful, childish "turn-your-back" police pout-fest was. They're correct to do that. What a miserable, shitty thing to do at someone's funeral. Especially when the family of the deceased evidently ASKED, SPECIFICALLY, for that NOT to be done. Amazing. Disgraceful.

This old white lady finds it hard to breathe, too, sheshe sweetie. It's just a disgrace. MY GRIEVANCES trump your grieving. SHIT. That is SHIT. They should be ashamed of themselves. Acted like spoiled, snot-nosed, three-year-olds. SHAME on them! I'm glad the vast majority of the reader comments was against them and their stupid, petulant, and entirely selfish "gesture."

I know her pain,I have been there.
Turning that funeral into "It's all about us" showed how ignorant and classless those people really are.Being ignorant and clueless probably makes them dangerous too.They have turned their Unions into tools to suborn and shelter violence and their culture of hate,shame,shame,shame...

What is that rate?

Garner was wrongfully and violently assaulted and that led directly to his death. In my opinion, there should have been indictments. But I wouldn't say that he was murdered because no one was trying to kill him. It was more like involuntary manslaughter.

By the way, I agree with most of what you say in response to the pathetic letter to the NY Times.

look it up. It is not just the NYPD.

Look it up yourself!

You rock along with the NYPD. Sorry! They murdered him in cold blood.

Then they laughed and laughed and laughed.They could BREATHE!!!!!







Eric could not!!!!

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They kill innocent people and make jokes about it. They only value their own lives.

NYPD made sure everyone who cares knows that many of them are sub-human. They can easily support their own corruption with little trouble. When the spotlight highlights their corruption, they become ballistic. Those who showed disrespect should be unemployed by next Monday.

If this mess called NYPD cannot be cleaned up, we have, in deed, lost our immortal souls.

Thank you, sheshe2.

I understand police have a tough job. I understand that even though there are some bad ones, for the most part these are people trying to do a job that is necessary to a civilized society, and trying to do it with honor as they understand it.

But the actions of such a large segment of the NYPD to politicize the funerals of their brethren just fills me with disgust. When I think "NYPD" now, my stomach churns with disgust.

In general, I support police and respect the difficult job they have. But in general, I can NOT support the NYPD.

Thank you MH1

But I'm positive some of us have lost their fucking minds.


I wonder if this op-ed is some sick twisted ploy to get the minority population of NYC so incensed, someone lashes out horrifically. The NYPD work slowdown has only proven how superficial their modus operandi with minorities has been. They need an action to justify their past actions, or else they won't be able to deny the overt racism any longer.

Very few are buying what this guys selling...

I hope they never climb out.

Good thread, she. Thanks and K&R

I too hope they never climb out. They belong there for eternity.

So blind and so very stupid.

Supposedly there to serve. It's all about them because they look upon the people as their enemies. It seems like this attitude has been much more prevalent since 9-11 although I know black men have been under assault by police since the beginning of time.
I'm so sick and ashamed of this country I don't even know what to say.

"christian" dominionists, etc are leading this country straight into fascism.

Its as plain as day.

Tthe immortal soul I fear for is that of our country, ever since BushCheney.

The NYPD is behaving despicably; they are not helping the situation at all.

PUBLIC SERVANTS !

and they should be overseen by independent citizen review boards.

I'm reading people's responses, and afaict the NYPD has lost the public relations battle, big time. Back to reading the comments now.

I asked Skinner for it. He said no problem yet the words would not show. I said that it was okay. I wanted it anyway. A few minutes ago electric monk gave it to me.

I love this.

Yes NYPD lost badly. They have no clue and they never will 23~

That is because people demonize because they secretly hate themselves and are insecure, and so they are always looking for someone else to put down/blame in a futile effort to stop their own self loathing. But since you can not love yourself if you do not love others, their self hatred and insecurity grows to the point that any criticism--even people suggesting that they should not shoot innocent kids---becomes the most vicious sort of personal attack. Practically genocide to hear the poor babies whine.

Law enforcement, by its nature, will attract some fearful, self loathing people who should never be handed a gun and badge. Our society has the tools it needs to take these folks off the force, but it does not do so, because oppression of minorities is good for business--it drives down wages for all. That's how fascism works.

Fuck them and their 'demands' for respect.

We have our souls, that's what makes us cry when we see and hear this tragedy.

It is they, the police and their 'anti-citizen spokesmen' who have lost their souls.

Let them give it, and earn it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026062002

serious reforms in the NYPD. The arrogant, self-absorbed, tone-deaf, petulant, immaturity displayed by the author, Steve Osborne, is breath-taking in it's ignorance, imo.

The responses to the opinion piece, on the other hand, are heart-lifting, the public fully understands what the NYPD is either incapable or unwilling to get. Kudos to those who responded, spelling out what was so wrong with both the opinion piece and the behavior of the NYPD.

We need more real men on our Police Forces. Men who are not intimidated by other men but feel they are their brothers. Too many little boys are hiding their fears behind their badge/gun.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Cop culture teaches that citizens are assholes. Nothing more; just assholes.

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