And the rest of the Cleveland PD were willing accomplices.

Give thanks the FBI guy showed up

Had the murderous cops started emergency medical treatment immediately (as every cop I've ever known had been trained in), Tamir Rice could be alive today.

Of course had he survived, he'd be able to give his side of the story, which would not suit the purposes of the murderous cops at all.

The murderous cops made five points in their statement that were key to the story, and all five were outright LIES. This is proved by the tape alone.

Thanks in advance.

Oh man.

saved his sister - there were no good cops on that scene

I wonder what goes through the mind of that Federal Agent once all the information is presented.

and never bending down to check on the gut shot dying 12 year old.

better off without police than ones like this.

the cop was shooting as soon as the door opened. Look at the video with your own eyes and think about what the kid could have possibly done differently to save his own life. The kid had a bb gun. In a state where you can carry guns openly.

in his waistband. Damn right he was shooting. His partner drove him right up to the guy, and the kid was reaching for his waistband when they came to a stop. If people wanted them to be less aggressive they should quit hiring ex-soldiers and bullies. But that's not what people want.

The kid could have stood up and not reached for a gun - that might have kept him alive. It is possible that he might have been shot anyway, since we know that just raising your hands doesn't necessarily stop the cop from shooting you, especially if you are black.

Regardless, the one thing you don't do is stand up and reach for a gun in your waistbad. The cop could not have known it was an air gun until after. And anyone that says so is a liar.

I think the cop did exactly what he was trained to do. The problem is with the mostly white taxpayers paying them. And most white folk seem to sleep just fine with that. That's not the cop's fault either.

Blaming that cop for doing what he was trained to do is a great opportunity for the people in this community to avoid responsibility for what they know is going on, paying to police aggressively, who know damn good and well they are harder on blacks than they are on whites (like the Chicago public school system now famous for locking up black kids for the same behavior that white kids get nearly nothing for, or the bank$ters that charge black folk with the same credit and jobs MORE for the same loans than white folk).

People around know exactly what is going on, but point at the cop, and try to avoid responsibility. Two-faced.

dude.

here, there is a lot of information at this link posted below.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/08/1356312/-I-hereby-charge-Timothy-Loehmann-the-Cleveland-PD-with-the-murder-of-12-year-old-Tamir-Rice

them that he was no threat.

And there is no way for a person to know that as the gun, or knife, or cell phone, or hand, is coming out of your pants in the shadow of an awning. He was trained, and there are other officers being trained, to react in precisely the same way today. Because that's all we know, war.

Virtually all of that info at the link says that the officer shouldn't have been there, that the department was wrong in bringing him in and giving him a weapon. The information, gained after says the kid was a kid, and with a weapon that wasn't a threat.

None of that has to do with that 2 seconds in which his partner drove him up on someone pulling out a gun. And nobody shouting about this from their keyboard could have done it any differently.

What they COULD have done is stayed back, but then they would have been blamed for not stopping anything else a real shooter might have done.

I wonder why no one is shouting that we need to be spending money on jobs in that area so the kids have science equipment instead of guns to play with? One never knows, but imagine them stealing each others chemistry experiments, or they have so many books they wind up tripping over them. Or after school programs (remember those?) where they go to museums, build cars, learn how to hack banks, whatever. Perhaps just making sure the kids have enough food and some exposure to things other than guns - but that would take the community taking an interest and spending money, yes?

First would take a community realizing that THEY pointed that officer at that kid.

Easier, quicker, and less painful to send soldiers in to police civilians, especially black ones, and then get back to the love affair with their lazyboy and cable.

There is a whole community of irresponsibility around that kid's death, people of all colors and cultures, and almost everyone around had more chances to stop it than that cop. And most of them are pointing fingers at him.

Circles...

But IMHO this particular event is pretty simple.

Why the fuck should he have a job? You don't know what his families financial circumstances were. You see dead black kid and think, poor? Wtf? You ne er did say a damn thing about the fact that the cop has failed his training. We don't know that he wa trained to do that. The last departmen fired his ass. Because he sucked at his job. Now tha ge killed the kid you talking about he shoukd of had a job?

He was doing exactly what a twelve year old should. Playing in the park at the recreation center.

All that bullshit you talking about it's th communities fault. Idiotic. Just an excuse to blame the kid and the black community for the fact that a kid playing in a fucking park was murdered. Your answer? Not the badly, previously fired cop's fault! No, no, it because he didn't hav a job at twelve and a science kit, and he steals, and the community, and he musta been poor.

You have earned my wrath with this utterly stupid nonsense.

Last edited Sun Jan 11, 2015, 09:46 PM - Edit history (1)

Well he WAS black.

Not helpful. Who told you the kids didn't have books or a science kit? Who told you that the kid was super poor?

Anything to take responsiblity away from the shooter and place at least some of it on the parents and black community. Looking down at us from on high, huh? Looks like it. Know everything don't cha?

I won't express my contempt for your unvarnished support of a cop who was fired from one police force for incompetence and had 3 or 4 others decide they wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole yet you lecture people that he did what he was "trained" to do.

What I would like to know is if his training also included letting a 12 year old gunshot victim die at his feet without attempting ANY aid?

Does San Diego have open carry? Isn't that what he was doing? Open carrying? Clearly, open carry is frightening, yet lawmakers allow it anyway.

One thing I don't understand is when authorities want to stop a dangerous animal, they shoot tranquilizers at them. Why can't that be done with dangerous humans?

professional responds to a person with a gun by driving right up next to him ??

even understand what is happening. There is no other coherent explanation for their behavior.

Yeah, when you were 12 you knew what to do.
12 fucking years old... yeah, hero cop.

And by your tone you aint much of a human.
You, and your ilk make me wanna vomit.

Probaby didnt look 12

Of all ages, shapes and sizes, I find your comment disgusting.

Lost control during firearms training at another department, crying and shit, right? They let him go and said he should never be a cop again. Get it together dude. You have no idea what you are talking about. He failed his TRAINING.

really are not paying attention.

after he was forced to resign from a previous police force.
And yes, this was straight up murder IMO.

This cannot continue

Maybe we need the recruitment process run strictly by civilians with no connection to the police, and a national testing standard for all law enforcement agencies along with civilian shooting boards staffed with civilian's in no way connected to law enforcement.

just like for doctors, nurses, lawyers, and other licensed personnel who have the ability to deprive people of their lives.

If you were a cop in Texas that had multiple bad experiences in dealing with the public and it was on your record, then you'd be ineligible for hire in Florida, for example.

Bad nurses from shifting around. If there is a centralized screening, the bad apples will either get re-education or change careers.

is specifically to enable them to get hired by other PDs.

You'd think it was basic common sense.

We are just more likely to have cameras on the scene, now so we know about it.

Hiring this guy was a major fuck up and it cost a kid his life.

It's going to cost Cleveland beau coup bucks also and hopefully a complete overhaul of their hiring practices.

Here is the article I pulled that info from.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/timothy_loehmann_the_cleveland.html

we should infer that he was well trained and simply was doing what he was trained to do

That poor girl and her desperate mother. How could they??? Just fucking how could they????

terrorizing his sister - I can't breathe is correct

They must have realized almost immediately they fucked up. Why not apply pressure to the wound? Why not rush him to the hospital. Yeah, I understand policy is to wait for ambulance but if I fucked up at shot a kid, all bets would be off. He could have been in the ER with real help by the time the ambulance showed up.

Despicable. Throw away the fugging keys.

4 min when the FBI guy came and HE was the only one to check on Tamir until they medics came.

No one bent down, no one crouched down, to check on him.

... watch something like that.

Those cops were not thinking..... right

I'm betting Scumbaugh and RW radio was a daily staple at their stations and in their cars.
And forget not the racist rantings of ReTHUG politicians in these states.

The entire US is under attack by Roger Ailes, Murdoch, the Kochs....makes me think of Tokyo Rose (the convicted traitor) multiplied and aimed against the US people.

You have it right. Tokyo Rose serves as a model for these lying liars, these dividers and destroyers.

To be right about that. :/

Sigh. Can't think of much else to say.

Cops were killing people trying to make it to safety on Danziger Bridge. Whatever happened to that? Wasn't on my television screen.

Retired Sgt. Arthur "Archie" Kaufman and the other four men also were convicted of engaging in a brazen cover-up that included a planted gun, fabricated witnesses and falsified reports. The five men were convicted of all 25 counts they faced.

Just makes you ill to think about the fact that they did and then that their supervisor was going to cover for them.

Seriously a twelve year old kid and his fourteen year old sister - just because they are black - enough is enough1

They just shot from the car window which is much easier than exiting the car and actually doing police work.

They are getting more efficient as time goes on.

and left him for dead

of RWers, and even some Democrats. RW media has whipped their follows in to a highly elevated state of fear and anxiety, particularly in relation to the other--blacks, poor, mentally ill, Muslins, etc. In this state, all sorts of unreasonableness and violence will be seen as acceptable, necessary even.

I suppose the general population will not rise up against this until it's their own group that is being targeted.

and so should whoever hired him.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/08/1356312/-I-hereby-charge-Timothy-Loehmann-the-Cleveland-PD-with-the-murder-of-12-year-old-Tamir-Rice

Thanks for that link bettyellen

Inhuman behavior, and apparently just part of the culture in Clevland. So disturbing.

it lays it all out

My post related to this is at:

http://bobpaulconnors.hubpages.com/hub/Twisted-Party-of-No-psyche-accounts-for-their-racist-policies-and-their-tough-on-crime-tactics

While slamming his sister into the ground and shoving her into a car for no reason.

These guys are scum.

is the very definition of "depraved indifference to human life".

Cops are asking that police be added as a protected class to the national hate crime laws.

... Tamir Rice's 6th grade school teacher at his funeral: He never missed a day of school. This boy had a very good chance of succeeding in life. Until he was shot and left for dead by those murdering cops.

Prison for them - nothing less.

Won't be long before he's being portrayed as a "mini thug". Both Trayvon and Michael were college bound young men with no criminal records....,.

We know how that situation shaped up

unless your plan is to run them over. Or maybe if you are in an MRAP (a REAL mrap)

this new footage of them tackling her - granted they didnt know who she was - but is that how they would have reacted had it been a middle aged white woman? Is that how they are trained? its fucking nuts.

to be a cop, it was decided.

The Cleveland PD hired him. They claim they don't know if they saw his job history.

I don't know which is worse, they hired despite his background, or they didn't even bother to check.

They hire disturbed people and give them a gun and set them loose on the public.

It won't bring their back, but I hope the family gets millions.

not the cop. I believe the cop should not only be fired from being a gun carrying cop but he should lose ownership of his home, if he owns one and have to pay rent to the offended family for the rest of his life. Writing that check every month would perhaps teach him a lesson.

He sounds like a fucking moron who thinks the world revolves around himself. My jaw dropped reading the detailed report.
I want to know who pulled strings for this fucking loser. Someone must have.

They stood around while the kid was dying like they were at the fucking office water cooler.

Geez

Bastards.

No less than prison will work here.

I bet it is equally likely they said, "Where is the gun?"

If there isn't prison at the end of this, there is no justice in this world.

Nothing but prison is acceptable