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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:35 AM Jan 2015

Chris Christie’s Jersey nightmare: Why his state hasn’t touched the economic recovery

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/13/chris_christies_jersey_nightmare_why_his_state_hasnt_touched_the_economic_recovery/



Late in October of 2009, New Jersey gubernatorial candidate Chris Christie used the Ridgewood Moving Company in Mahwah to stage a campaign event headlined by former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. The cavernous warehouse was packed floor to ceiling with shrink wrapped pallets holding the possessions of dozens of families leaving New Jersey. It vividly symbolized the thousands of Jersey households that made the same decision that year to pull up stakes in hopes of a brighter future anywhere else.

The site was a compelling backdrop for Christie’s core campaign message. He was the candidate most likely to staunch the trend that had become so pronounced since the state’s congressional delegation shrank from 15 seats in the ’70s to 12. In his debating the incumbent Jon Corzine, he used the well documented Jersey diaspora, which separates grandparents from their grandchildren and parents from their children, like a rhetorical two-by-four.

“People are leaving the state in droves, businesses are leaving this state in droves and taking their jobs with them. That’s why we have the worst unemployment rate in 33 years,” Christie charged.

Scroll forward six years, as Gov. Christie is set to give his second state of the state in his second term, and the exodus continues — and for good reason. According to United Van Lines’ annual analysis of national migration data, they booked 4,003 outbound moves from Jersey but posted only 2,169 incoming. 2014 was the fourth time in the last five years that New Jersey topped the nation for out migration according to United Van Lines.
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Chris Christie’s Jersey nightmare: Why his state hasn’t touched the economic recovery (Original Post) xchrom Jan 2015 OP
The cost of living/quality of life proposition is lousy Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #1
Christie aside... NO other state sends more money to Red States than NJ. More that its state budget. TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #2
Of course Christie cancelling edhopper Jan 2015 #6
And if the existing tunnels become unusable, they'll be in real trouble starroute Jan 2015 #7
It's a national security issue! Beach Rat Jan 2015 #8
Even Christie Is Looking To Leave... Laxman Jan 2015 #3
And by the way, this is with NYC subsidizing most of their jobs. JaneyVee Jan 2015 #4
conservatives are bad for the economy phantom power Jan 2015 #5
Something tells me Christie's personal wealth is doing just fine Johonny Jan 2015 #9
 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
1. The cost of living/quality of life proposition is lousy
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:47 AM
Jan 2015

and property taxes are sheer murder.

New York's rebirth has probably sucked all the remaining air out of the room.

TheBlackAdder

(28,224 posts)
2. Christie aside... NO other state sends more money to Red States than NJ. More that its state budget.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jan 2015

There's only so long you can pull $32 BILLION out of a local state's economy - EACH AND EVERY YEAR - before that economy collapses.

NO other state sends anywhere near their state's annual budget to the Feds for redistribution.

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While there is a lot of wealth in NJ, there is a highly disproportionate level of income inequality. Most of the wealthy are excluded from heavy taxes, causing this financial burden to fall on the middle class and lower-middle class. There are sporadic pockets in NJ that almost rival sections Mississippi.

The other problem is those with pensions, especially state pensions, are now forced to leave the state... taking their NJ pension money with them.

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This either leaves people who are wealthy, those staying for employment, home state reasons, or those too poor to move left behind.

For all of the ribbing that NJ suffers, much like the benevolent relative who is mocked by those who enjoy his wealth, we are good sports about it. NJ has a lot to offer, but it's slowly sliding down into the abyss of poverty by this income disparity. Sections of this state, where the wealthy live, are isolated from the poorest areas. You have land barons who use farmland preservation (placing a few animals on the property or growing crops and then just tilling them under) as a means to pay $32 an acre property tax on a 200 acre estate. Meanwhile, the senior citizen on fixed income pays $8,000-12,000 a year in property tax for a small dilapidated cape cod in a run-down town, offering limited amenities or supportive services.

People in South Jersey see almost 80-90% of their state's tax dollars being sent out of the area to fund projects in North Jersey, leading to sections of South Jersey that will never escape a Second World status. That is why several decades ago, South Jersey narrowly lost a succession bid--most every governor hails from North Jersey and they treat SoJo as just an income source.

edhopper

(33,634 posts)
6. Of course Christie cancelling
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jan 2015

one of the biggest public projects that would have been almost all Fed money adds to the imbalance and adds to the job loss.

Heck of a job Chrissy.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
7. And if the existing tunnels become unusable, they'll be in real trouble
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jan 2015
http://www.northjersey.com/news/amtrak-tunnel-closures-loom-for-badly-needed-repairs-on-aging-hudson-river-crossings-1.1100258?page=all

Traveling from New Jersey to New York City is about to get even harder.

The salty floodwaters of Superstorm Sandy caused so much damage to two train tunnels under the Hudson River that they must be closed for additional hours every week, which will mean fewer trains and longer waits for commuters, officials said. Already, the tunnels are closed for large portions of the weekends for repairs. Now, those closures will extend into the week.

And that work is just a stopgap because the 104-year-old tunnels will continue to deteriorate, said Stephen J. Gardner, an Amtrak spokesman. Eventually the tunnels must be closed for about a year apiece and completely rebuilt. That could come to pass within the next 20 years, officials have said.

Before that happens, Amtrak’s leaders hope to build two additional new tunnels capable of handling existing traffic. But those will cost in excess of $10 billion, and likely much more. New tunnels were being built, but the project was scrapped in October 2010 by Governor Christie, who cited potential cost overruns that would have to be borne by New Jersey taxpayers.


http://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/2014/11/new_hudson_river_rail_tunnels_could_be_built_in_7.html

Amtrak officials are in a race against time to avoid a commuting nightmare if one of the existing 100-year old tunnels has to be closed for major repairs before new tunnels are built. Train traffic would slow to a trickle, from an average of 24 to 6 trains per hour if one of the existing tunnels had to be closed.

The regional economy could lose $100 million a day in economic activity, due to a shut down, Boardman said.

Beach Rat

(273 posts)
8. It's a national security issue!
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jan 2015

Those two tunnels are the choke point for the entire northeast corridor. Without those tunnels no through trains go to NYC. Commuting would suck but there's ferries, cars and buses and PATH (unless Christie manages to sell it off). It would be a nightmare but some travel would continue. Take those tunnels out and passenger rail traffic between D.C. and Boston becomes non-existent. All so Christie could avoid paying for the Transportation Trust Fund. He builds a phoney image to run for president, we all suffer.

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
3. Even Christie Is Looking To Leave...
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jan 2015

and head to D.C.! N.J. has always been a tough place to live. It's expensive and crowded. But there were always a lot of great things that tipped the balance to make it a good place to live. Christie has directly targeted the environment, education and transportation. Some of the real quality of life elements that made the state great. Once you diminish these things, its just expensive and crowded. Idiots like Christie just don't understand what makes a good place to live. I've got a hint-it's not a low corporate tax rate.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
4. And by the way, this is with NYC subsidizing most of their jobs.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:28 AM
Jan 2015

As a NYer I can attest to the flood of Jersey, Connecticut, and Pennsylvanians that commute to NYC for work.

Johonny

(20,895 posts)
9. Something tells me Christie's personal wealth is doing just fine
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jan 2015

He cares about himself first and you... well, you might come 45th if your lucky.

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