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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCato "Scholar" writes Wapo article shilling for forprofit schools... gets thrashed by comments
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/13/even-for-profit-universities-are-better-than-americas-terrible-community-colleges/The column is skewed. But the comments are priceless. Replete with numerous appearances by what appears to be the author's sockpuppet.
A spectacle to behold (the commenters).
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The commenters tear his poor 'journalism' to shreds.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)transferred from her community college to her university. Actually she attended three different community colleges (and two universities) before attending the one she is pursuing her four year degree from. Granted she was admitted into only one as a degree student (for tax purposes). She never intended to finish the degree because it would have involved taking courses that would not count towards her major. She would be considered a failed student even though she had a 4.0 community college GPA and started her freshman year in engineering as an academic junior (she just got Dean's list her first semester so her community college work was sufficiently preparatory).
One criteria I would consider is what percentage of the budget is marketing. It is hard to compete against the glizty ads that appear in prime time.
salin
(48,955 posts)Clearly a successful outcome of her CC experience, but as you point out would be counted as a failure by the metrics used by the author.
Mark Halperin has an ebook out covering the forprofit college industry. It is shameful the ratio of money some of the chains spend on recruitment compared to the money spent on student learning (e.g. faculty, instructional resources.) Stealing America's Future: How For Profit Colleges Scam Taxpayers and Ruin Students' Lives Excellent read.
FSogol
(45,524 posts)underpants
(182,868 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)THAT is why their performance is so abysmal. Got that? Give tens of billions of government subsidies to education, it is abysmal. But give hundreds of billions of dollars of government subsidies to profit-rich oil companies and corn farmers and Wall Street hucksters, well...that's just good for everybody!
I think this Cato "scholar" could have used a good community college education. My wife started the first two years of her medical career at a community college, then transferred to Florida State, then got her Masters at UMASS Amherst. Much of it paid for by being a TA and doing some in-kind teaching on the side. This Cato guy is a privileged douche bag shill.
bulloney
(4,113 posts)"Think tanks are like septic tanks - you get out what you put in them."
rurallib
(62,444 posts)not
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,586 posts)SMH. McCluskey's website:
Neal McCluskey, Associate Director, Center for Educational Freedom
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)The guy is a product of public education!
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)The essay was just shilling for the for-profits.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)that says something to the effect of "Credits may not be transferable".
A friend found that out the hard way when she tired of paying through the nose at one of those for profits and tried to transfer to the local university. She was distraught that NONE of her credits transferred and she would have to start all over after two years.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)More recently, he was a policy analyst at the Center for Education Reform. McCluskey is the author of the book Feds in the Classroom: How Big Government Corrupts, Cripples, and Compromises American Education, and his writings have appeared in such publications as the Wall Street Journal, the Baltimore Sun, and Forbes. In addition to his written work, McCluskey has appeared on C-span, CNN, the Fox News Channel, and numerous radio programs.
McCluskey holds an undergraduate degree from Georgetown University, where he double-majored in government and English, has a masters degree in political science from Rutgers University, and has a PhD in public policy from George Mason University.
He's a hyprocrite. Rutgers is a public School. George Mason University is also a public school.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Many community college students attend to take courses in order to continue to learn while working or as seniors or just because they are interested.
Whether a person "completes" a degree or an associates certificate at a community college measures absolutely nothing.
I am thinking of taking a dance course at a community college next year. A friend of mine teaches it, and I can get there on public transportation. I have no desire to complete a degree, and I don't need the government to pay my way since the tuition for one class is affordable.
I could, by the way, not afford to join a health club or some similar organization.
Community colleges are subsidized because they serve everyone in the community. For-profit schools do not.
Also, a lot of community college students do not perform well because they need remedial work. Some were disenchanted or had problems that prevented them from doing well in K-12 but really want to learn. Some are just trying to see whether they can improve their skills. A lot of community college students work while they take classes.
I am a big fan of community colleges.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)the student got at least a B in the course. And in many states a B average at a CC gets the student into a state university. The writer is full of shit.
salin
(48,955 posts)I knew a woman in the mid 90s who was a young single mother who had a 4.0 gpa at a CC in San Jose, who matriculated (with scholarships) to Stanford to complete her degree.
The writer, certainly has an agenda.
Interesting to me was how few of the commenters shared his agenda.