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trumad

(41,692 posts)
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 03:55 PM Jan 2015

Let's be polite about our protests---and try not to inconvenience anyone.

It seems some here feel that it should be that way.

Imagine if all the protests since the birth of the country were protests that did not inconvenience anyone.

Shouldn't inconvenience be part of the strategy to motivate change?

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Let's be polite about our protests---and try not to inconvenience anyone. (Original Post) trumad Jan 2015 OP
how dare you invoke the god of sarcasm without proper display of the sarcasm idol! unblock Jan 2015 #1
very well played. KMOD Jan 2015 #17
Yes, people by all means should HappyMe Jan 2015 #2
I respectfully disagree with those who say Obama is a Marxist terrorist America-hating dictator. arcane1 Jan 2015 #3
Just don't draw any cartoons to that effect oberliner Jan 2015 #4
EarlG: The American tradition of inconveniencing motorists... pinboy3niner Jan 2015 #5
Excellent! HappyMe Jan 2015 #10
Prove that it motivates change brooklynite Jan 2015 #6
"Prove that it motivates change" F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #35
Because I look at most protests and I -don't- see them motivate change brooklynite Jan 2015 #39
Inconvenience should be part of the strategy if and when it's petronius Jan 2015 #7
We would all still be speaking English. nt Bad Granny Jan 2015 #8
+1 trumad Jan 2015 #14
it's one thing to discuss tactics, G_j Jan 2015 #9
They just don't give a crap. HappyMe Jan 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author upaloopa Jan 2015 #12
Protesters are supposed to draw attention & sympathy to their cause, not anger & resentment Lurks Often Jan 2015 #13
+1 TheCowsCameHome Jan 2015 #15
Do you know how many traffic jams I've been in because of protests... trumad Jan 2015 #16
Was the ambulance diversion simply an "inconvenience" as well? NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #18
That's not the point. trumad Jan 2015 #19
Holding up emergency services pipi_k Jan 2015 #46
An ambulance can be held up by 2 morons HappyMe Jan 2015 #20
True enough, but they aren't DELIBERATELY blocking traffic. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #23
Money always makes everything better. HappyMe Jan 2015 #24
Not at all. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #25
It absolutely doesn't but pipi_k Jan 2015 #47
You were not the people they were trying to convince Lurks Often Jan 2015 #34
Freedom March cause anger and resentment. Freedom march caused traffic delays. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #26
Let's spend all our time pissing off people who might otherwise support of cause Taitertots Jan 2015 #21
Of course! dumbcat Jan 2015 #22
Yesterday, there was a protest outside my office in Lower Manhattan brooklynite Jan 2015 #43
Are you disappointed that they didn't push people away from progressive causes by harassing them Taitertots Jan 2015 #44
I'm delighted that they engaged in their first amendment rights brooklynite Jan 2015 #45
Then you agree with my post that we should strike a balance between pissing people off and being... Taitertots Jan 2015 #49
There are a handful of the self-absorbed who place a higher priority on their convenience... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #27
Is your goal to actually achieve something? Or is it to feel good that you spoke out for something? brooklynite Jan 2015 #28
Much as the Freedom March inconvenienced people and caused traffic delays? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #29
1) The Freedom March was directed AT the communities that were violating civil rights... brooklynite Jan 2015 #31
Exactly Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #42
LOL! Rex Jan 2015 #33
Fuck that! The entire meaning of a protest is to inconvenience someone, somewhere. Rex Jan 2015 #30
Because nothing screams fight police brutality more than pissing off other citizens. dilby Jan 2015 #32
"The traffic stopping thing, I have already forgotten, what were they protesting again?" F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #36
I agree, Americans no longer do protests that actually affect what they are protesting. dilby Jan 2015 #37
...whooosh. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #38
I posted this guy's reaction to the protestors who blocked the highway.... Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #40
We see a lot of conversation about "privilege." NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #41
An inconvenienced pintobean Jan 2015 #48

unblock

(52,387 posts)
1. how dare you invoke the god of sarcasm without proper display of the sarcasm idol!
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jan 2015

be more respectful or the sarcasm pope might punch you!

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
2. Yes, people by all means should
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jan 2015

inquire if anyone would be inconvenienced by their protests, have color co-ordinated signs, no loud chanting...

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
3. I respectfully disagree with those who say Obama is a Marxist terrorist America-hating dictator.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jan 2015
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Just don't draw any cartoons to that effect
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jan 2015

Do not offend the deeply held believes of those who do believe Obama is a Marxist. There is no need to provoke them.

brooklynite

(94,794 posts)
6. Prove that it motivates change
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:10 PM
Jan 2015

Change occurs when elected officials enact policies. Policies are enacted when elected officials feel enough pressure from voters and stakeholders. Where's the evidence that protests like this have any influence on the process?

I trust, by the way, that nobody will be demanding that the protesters deserve to be immune from prosecution, as with the BART protest?

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
35. "Prove that it motivates change"
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 06:21 PM
Jan 2015

Seriously? How on Earth can you call yourself a liber/progressive/Democrat/what-have-you and not understand that protests motivate change?

brooklynite

(94,794 posts)
39. Because I look at most protests and I -don't- see them motivate change
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jan 2015

I see change coming from directly interacting with elected and Government officials who actually implement change.

Consider net neutrality. Did the FCC respond to the tens of thousands of public comments, or the protestors who showed up at the FCC Chair's house?

petronius

(26,606 posts)
7. Inconvenience should be part of the strategy if and when it's
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jan 2015

a productive/best/only method of advancing the goals of that strategy.

Inconvenience for the sake of inconvenience, or to be 'doing something,' should not be part of the strategy...

G_j

(40,372 posts)
9. it's one thing to discuss tactics,
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jan 2015

quite another to call protesters morons and assholes. It's not hard to sense where those people are most likely really coming from. My guess is that they personally have done NOTHING to try and end the murder of our citizens by the police.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
11. They just don't give a crap.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:32 PM
Jan 2015

People are all about the free speech right now, but if it incoveniences them or applies to something other than religion - it's off.

Response to trumad (Original post)

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
13. Protesters are supposed to draw attention & sympathy to their cause, not anger & resentment
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jan 2015

I somehow doubt that blocking traffic for hours on a major interstate generated a lot of sympathy and support for their cause, living here in the Northeast I expect that the protesters mostly made people angry.

The protest also placed a person's life at risk because of the traffic:
"Due to protesters shutting down I-93, Easton's Ambulance 1 had to divert from a local Level 1 trauma center to a local hospital. They were the unable to get into Boston in a reasonable transport time, affecting the patient's ability to get to the proper hospital for treatment."

http://www.wsvn.com/story/27856668/protesters-shut-down-rt-93-in-milton-medford

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
16. Do you know how many traffic jams I've been in because of protests...
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jan 2015

in New York? We're all inconvenienced.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
18. Was the ambulance diversion simply an "inconvenience" as well?
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jan 2015

If one of my loved ones died because their ambulance was held up by these morons, I would sue them until there was no tomorrow.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
46. Holding up emergency services
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 10:51 AM
Jan 2015

isn't "inconvenience".

It's potential endangerment.



It scares and disgusts me to think that nobody gets that.

Last year my daughter had an extremely scary health issue and had to be rushed to the hospital. It's bad enough that she was terrified. Had they been held up in traffic for any reason, she could have died.


So yeah, I realize how some people will think I'm totally selfish about caring more about the life of my daughter than someone else's "right" to endanger others, but that's the way it goes, I guess.



HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
20. An ambulance can be held up by 2 morons
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:12 PM
Jan 2015

that were yammering on the phone and get into a fender bender, or morons slowing way down to gawk at someone changing a tire. It doesn't take much to get traffic hideously snarled.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
23. True enough, but they aren't DELIBERATELY blocking traffic.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jan 2015

These people are deliberately going out of their way to screw the whole day for a lot of people, and like I said, if they got one of my family members killed I would sue them until absolutely every legal avenue was exhausted.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
47. It absolutely doesn't but
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jan 2015

I'd bet they wouldn't do it again.


If people are going to protest, why the hell don't they "inconvenience" the ones they're pissed off with instead of making everyone else (i.e. innocent people) suffer?

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
34. You were not the people they were trying to convince
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jan 2015

I don't think they succeeded in their goal, I think they drove many who might have been mildly sympathetic or who at least neutral in the wrong direction.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. Freedom March cause anger and resentment. Freedom march caused traffic delays.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jan 2015

Freedom March cause anger and resentment. Freedom march caused traffic delays.

(insert distinction without a difference below)

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
21. Let's spend all our time pissing off people who might otherwise support of cause
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jan 2015

Oh, you mean we should strike a balance between driving our supporters away and being irrelevant to avoid annoying people.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
22. Of course!
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jan 2015

Every time I am inconvenienced and/or annoyed by a group of people, I want to go right out and support their espoused cause.

brooklynite

(94,794 posts)
43. Yesterday, there was a protest outside my office in Lower Manhattan
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 09:44 AM
Jan 2015

The protesters marched on the sidewalk and didn't block traffic.

The police didn't arrest anyone.

Sorry to disappoint you.

brooklynite

(94,794 posts)
45. I'm delighted that they engaged in their first amendment rights
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 10:22 AM
Jan 2015

...and I'm delighted that, for better or worse, those who chose not to listen to their free speech weren't forced to.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
49. Then you agree with my post that we should strike a balance between pissing people off and being...
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jan 2015

Irrelevant to avoid disruptions.

The title was a facetious twist on the OP.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
27. There are a handful of the self-absorbed who place a higher priority on their convenience...
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jan 2015

There are a handful of the self-absorbed who place a higher priority on their convenience than on civil right. They are adorable little fellas, and we all of us afford them all the validity they are in fact, warranted.

brooklynite

(94,794 posts)
28. Is your goal to actually achieve something? Or is it to feel good that you spoke out for something?
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:43 PM
Jan 2015

Complain all you want about self-entitled people who don't appreciate the importance of your protest. If your protest doesn't change any minds, it's the wrong tactic.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
29. Much as the Freedom March inconvenienced people and caused traffic delays?
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jan 2015

Much as the Freedom March inconvenienced people and caused traffic delays?

brooklynite

(94,794 posts)
31. 1) The Freedom March was directed AT the communities that were violating civil rights...
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jan 2015

2) SINCE the Freedom March (50 odd years ago), name a issue that has been successfully resolved through protest marches.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
30. Fuck that! The entire meaning of a protest is to inconvenience someone, somewhere.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:46 PM
Jan 2015

Make it impossible to ignore whatever grievance is being protested about imo.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
32. Because nothing screams fight police brutality more than pissing off other citizens.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jan 2015

I once saw guy who was protesting the cops, he stood outside a police department with this giant dildo with the word cop written on it. He then proceeded to drop his pants, bend over and try to insert that dildo inside of his ass. That was a protest I will remember and one that got the cops to drop their donuts and stop him before he hurt himself.

The traffic stopping thing, I have already forgotten, what were they protesting again?

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
36. "The traffic stopping thing, I have already forgotten, what were they protesting again?"
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 06:24 PM
Jan 2015

America. In a f---ing nutshell.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
37. I agree, Americans no longer do protests that actually affect what they are protesting.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jan 2015

If you want to stand against animal abuse, protest a business that supports animal abuse. If you want to stand against elderly abuse, you protest a business that commits elderly abuse. If you want to stand against police brutality, protest a police department.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
40. I posted this guy's reaction to the protestors who blocked the highway....
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:41 PM
Jan 2015


and the response was "fuck him". And plenty of whitesplaining as to why he should not have been upset.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6089131

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
41. We see a lot of conversation about "privilege."
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:41 AM
Jan 2015

When people are too self-absorbed to care about a guy trying to get to his job and make a living, that is a true example of privilege.

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