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Nobody knows what Boko Haram want and perhaps they dont know themselves. We only know what they dont want, most famously Western education. When they first upped the ante in late 2010, eight years after they announced themselves, they targeted churches, police stations and army barracks, along with the UN building in Abuja. This made sense of sorts but in 2013 they started killing Muslims in the north. Since they began their armed struggle, Boko Haram have killed around 5000 people and displaced 300,000, but these figures are guesswork; nobody really knows. Last week they killed 19 people in Maiduguri, the capital of Borno State, where the surviving Baga residents had fled, using a bomb strapped to a 10-year-old girl which they detonated by remote control.
As I wrote last year, there are many who believe that Boko Haram is the armed wing of the northern Muslim political establishment, smarting from the accidental ascendancy of Jonathan, a Christian from the oil-producing Niger Delta in the south. Last June, the Northern Elders Forum issued a communiqué which begins by asserting that the north laments the dangerous trend by the Jonathan administration aimed at weakening the determination of the North to reclaim its traditional position of providing leadership for the Nigerian polity. After taking a swipe at the traitors among them who have fallen for Jonathans divide and rule tactics, it reiterates the long-held belief that the North has a divine right to rule (it is the almighty that has destined it so) as the only way to keep the country stable and secure.
Nigeria is now unstable and insecure and Jonathans authority has suffered badly as a result, although in this as in so much else he didnt need much help. After corruption, insecurity is voters main concern as we approach next months elections. Defeating Jonathan at the polls ought to be easy enough, except that his only challenger, Muhammadu Buhari, is or was a Boko Haram sympathiser. He is also a retired general and former military head of state. In May 2013, he compared Boko Haram with Niger Delta militants in the 1990s:
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http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2015/01/15/adewale-maja-pearce/what-do-boko-haram-want/
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)For some, by the time the hair on their back stands up, it's too late. These criminals need to be prevented from harming more people.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)POWER
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Speaking of incomprehensible.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)whose mind wanders off in this direction.
Solly Mack
(90,769 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Haven't seen you in a while. I hope you're doing well.
genwah
(574 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)tens of thousands or selling women into slavery.
genwah
(574 posts)Nobody is going to argue abortion providers live with a target on their backs in many places in the US. When was the last time one was killed? And I do believe the murderer is doing a life sentence (or even got the death penalty) You seriously want to compare that with what we saw just last weekend in Nigeria? 2000 slaughtered. What's been happening to hundreds, perhaps thousands of girls being sold into "marriages" that are little more than slavery? Your moral relativism meter needs some work.
genwah
(574 posts)ISIL publishes an online magazine, "Insights" I think it's called, where they published the names and addresses of the Charlie Hebdo folks. Operation Rescu publishes not just that, but pictures of abortion providers KIDS, to the point where a JANITOR at a Planned Parenthood site had to quit. They put pictures of her kid getting off the school bus, pictures of the school, and a description of how to get to the lunch room.
p.S. WTF is "moral relativism"?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)is when somebody is so uncomfortable about a truth in their face they feel it necessary to try and deflect from it using the "they do it too" bullshit. It's especially insidious when the two "truths" are in no comparable when you break it down and look at the numbers. I'm talking about hundreds of thousands in Syria getting SLAUGHTERED, thousands in Nigeria getting SLAUGHTERED. And you try and minimize that immense amount of suffering by calling it a "volume business"? Are you sure you're on the right board?
genwah
(574 posts)The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy definition at the top.
Moral relativism is the view that moral judgments are true or false only relative to some particular standpoint (for instance, that of a culture or a historical period) and that no standpoint is uniquely privileged over all others.
...which, I disagree with, in that I believe that killing people because your Invisible Friend in the Sky says to is morally dubious. Since (I can't imagine why) I suspect I should look up a Xian source, the top listing after Wikipedia is the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry which opens with
Moral relativism is a philosophy that asserts there is no global, absolute moral law that applies to all people, for all time, and in all places. Instead of an objective moral law, it espouses a qualified view where morals are concerned, especially in the areas of individual moral practice where personal and situational encounters supposedly dictate the correct moral position.
Again, killing people is wrong, even if the voices in your head tell you to.
"Volume business"? Your objection to my stating that we have religious nuts and they have religious nuts, is that they're religious nuts kill more people than our religious nuts and that somehow makes them worse? Are people potatoes and having more is better or worse? Are the two cops killed in Las Vegas by white Christians worse than the French cop killed by brown Muslims because there were more of them? If the French cop's partner was killed too, would that make these incidents equal? It's MLK weekend, and I'm reminded that, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
I was going to say that our religious nuts aren't as numerous or well organized, but I don't know how many Tea Partiers or Open Carry loons are Muslim or Jewish or Atheist. I do like Chris Rock's tweet, "I love how the news says "Radical Islam" to sensationalize. For some reason I've never heard the Ku Klux Klan called "Radical Christianity"."
Am I on the "right board"? Depends, I guess. I come here for links to other stuff, some that I wouldn't find in other places. The thing is, usually I know better than to post anything because this place is full of whiny white people who follow each other around from OP to OP sniping and snarking at each other instead of actually doing anything. I was having a slow Friday and I made a mistake. My bad.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)really makes one wish they could be gathered in one isolated place and given a little neutron bomb theory. Maybe a couple of doses for good measure.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)They want to return their corner of the world to a pre colonial state, with none o that there book larnin, no foreign cultural contamination (except Islam, of course), no one who ever asks uncomfortable questions that the boku haram (unclean book) movement can't answer. They think if they go back to about the twelfth century, people will exist in their natural state as noble savages who all blindly follow the right imported religion.
Unfortunately, this movement has a lot of government support, which is why the response against them has been lukewarm, at best, leaving villagers to fend for themselves.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I've followed the geopolitics of it, and I don't know what they want besides "Islam and Sharia", engaging in human and drug trafficking and mercenary activity along the border.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)Is a severe case of lead poisoning.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)...the hands and arms of children and abducted other boys to be child soldiers in Sierra Leone.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/charles-taylor-liberias-former-president-finally-faces-punishment-for-his-horrific-war-crimes-8845092.html
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/africa/082299sierra-leone.html
There is no ideological justification for such horrific behavior. None. Whether they acknowledge it or not, and no matter the name they give him, the god they worship is one of death and slaughter.
Boko Haram is composed of criminals, and they need to be hunted down and brought to justice. It should not be considered too late for the girls stolen away by them; they too should be traced and rescued, along with any children they may have borne due to their slave-marriages.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Winston: By making him suffer.
OBrien: Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but MORE merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress towards more pain. The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy everything. Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always do not forget this, Winston always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face for ever.
Solly Mack
(90,769 posts)Thank you for posting.