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muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:37 PM Jan 2015

What do Boko Haram want?

There is much talk here in Nigeria of the world’s muted response to the latest outrage by the Boko Haram Islamic insurgents who sacked the entire town of Baga in the beleaguered north-east while any number of heads of state gathered in Paris to mourn the deaths of 17 French citizens. Double standards? Perhaps. But if so, what should we say about the silence of President Goodluck Jonathan in the face of the wholesale slaughter of his citizens – 2000 according to initial reports; 150 according to the government – even as his French counterpart was to be seen everywhere exhorting his people to stand firm? Nine months ago, when Boko Haram abducted more than 200 schoolgirls, it took the president nearly three weeks to acknowledge that anything had happened.

Nobody knows what Boko Haram want and perhaps they don’t know themselves. We only know what they don’t want, most famously ‘Western’ education. When they first upped the ante in late 2010, eight years after they announced themselves, they targeted churches, police stations and army barracks, along with the UN building in Abuja. This made sense of sorts but in 2013 they started killing Muslims in the north. Since they began their ‘armed struggle’, Boko Haram have killed around 5000 people and displaced 300,000, but these figures are guesswork; nobody really knows. Last week they killed 19 people in Maiduguri, the capital of Borno State, where the surviving Baga residents had fled, using a bomb strapped to a 10-year-old girl which they detonated by remote control.

As I wrote last year, there are many who believe that Boko Haram is the armed wing of the northern Muslim political establishment, smarting from the accidental ascendancy of Jonathan, a Christian from the oil-producing Niger Delta in the south. Last June, the Northern Elders Forum issued a communiqué which begins by asserting that the north laments the ‘dangerous trend’ by the Jonathan administration ‘aimed at weakening the determination of the North to reclaim its traditional position of providing leadership for the Nigerian polity’. After taking a swipe at the traitors among them who have fallen for Jonathan’s divide and rule tactics, it reiterates the long-held belief that the North has a divine right to rule (‘it is the almighty that has destined it so’) as the only way to keep the country ‘stable and secure’.

Nigeria is now unstable and insecure and Jonathan’s authority has suffered badly as a result, although in this as in so much else he didn’t need much help. After corruption, insecurity is voters’ main concern as we approach next month’s elections. Defeating Jonathan at the polls ought to be easy enough, except that his only challenger, Muhammadu Buhari, is – or was – a Boko Haram sympathiser. He is also a retired general and former military head of state. In May 2013, he compared Boko Haram with Niger Delta militants in the 1990s:
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http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2015/01/15/adewale-maja-pearce/what-do-boko-haram-want/
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What do Boko Haram want? (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 OP
Thank you for posting. SamKnause Jan 2015 #1
Rape, pillage, plunder, control seveneyes Jan 2015 #2
what every paranoid gun humping thug wants Skittles Jan 2015 #3
Look to Procol Harum for the answer. Kaleva Jan 2015 #4
Oh, yeah. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #9
I'm glad I'm not the only one Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #11
You're not. :) Solly Mack Jan 2015 #15
Hey, Solly! Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #18
Well, Boko means "book" and Haram means "unclean". We have them here, but they're Xians. genwah Jan 2015 #13
They're also not murdering leftynyc Jan 2015 #17
No, just abortion providers and Las Vegas cops. That's better, I guess... genwah Jan 2015 #19
Really? leftynyc Jan 2015 #20
Because Boko Haram, aka Books are Unclean do a volume business? genwah Jan 2015 #21
Moral relativism leftynyc Jan 2015 #22
Okay, I Googled "moral relativism define" and came up with genwah Jan 2015 #23
Hearing about lunatics like this hifiguy Jan 2015 #5
They want an earthly paradise that never was Warpy Jan 2015 #6
Blood-lust slaughter would be my guess. (See: Pot, Pol.) WinkyDink Jan 2015 #7
This is what I can't figure out Aerows Jan 2015 #8
What they need... greytdemocrat Jan 2015 #10
Personally, I think they are a cult of death and slaughter, of the same ilk as those who cut off... Hekate Jan 2015 #12
Power. KamaAina Jan 2015 #14
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2015 #16
 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
2. Rape, pillage, plunder, control
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jan 2015

For some, by the time the hair on their back stands up, it's too late. These criminals need to be prevented from harming more people.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. Really?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jan 2015

Nobody is going to argue abortion providers live with a target on their backs in many places in the US. When was the last time one was killed? And I do believe the murderer is doing a life sentence (or even got the death penalty) You seriously want to compare that with what we saw just last weekend in Nigeria? 2000 slaughtered. What's been happening to hundreds, perhaps thousands of girls being sold into "marriages" that are little more than slavery? Your moral relativism meter needs some work.

genwah

(574 posts)
21. Because Boko Haram, aka Books are Unclean do a volume business?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 10:22 PM
Jan 2015

ISIL publishes an online magazine, "Insights" I think it's called, where they published the names and addresses of the Charlie Hebdo folks. Operation Rescu publishes not just that, but pictures of abortion providers KIDS, to the point where a JANITOR at a Planned Parenthood site had to quit. They put pictures of her kid getting off the school bus, pictures of the school, and a description of how to get to the lunch room.

p.S. WTF is "moral relativism"?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. Moral relativism
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 05:17 AM
Jan 2015

is when somebody is so uncomfortable about a truth in their face they feel it necessary to try and deflect from it using the "they do it too" bullshit. It's especially insidious when the two "truths" are in no comparable when you break it down and look at the numbers. I'm talking about hundreds of thousands in Syria getting SLAUGHTERED, thousands in Nigeria getting SLAUGHTERED. And you try and minimize that immense amount of suffering by calling it a "volume business"? Are you sure you're on the right board?

genwah

(574 posts)
23. Okay, I Googled "moral relativism define" and came up with
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jan 2015

The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy definition at the top.

Moral relativism is the view that moral judgments are true or false only relative to some particular standpoint (for instance, that of a culture or a historical period) and that no standpoint is uniquely privileged over all others.


...which, I disagree with, in that I believe that killing people because your Invisible Friend in the Sky says to is morally dubious. Since (I can't imagine why) I suspect I should look up a Xian source, the top listing after Wikipedia is the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry which opens with

Moral relativism is a philosophy that asserts there is no global, absolute moral law that applies to all people, for all time, and in all places. Instead of an objective moral law, it espouses a qualified view where morals are concerned, especially in the areas of individual moral practice where personal and situational encounters supposedly dictate the correct moral position.


Again, killing people is wrong, even if the voices in your head tell you to.

"Volume business"? Your objection to my stating that we have religious nuts and they have religious nuts, is that they're religious nuts kill more people than our religious nuts and that somehow makes them worse? Are people potatoes and having more is better or worse? Are the two cops killed in Las Vegas by white Christians worse than the French cop killed by brown Muslims because there were more of them? If the French cop's partner was killed too, would that make these incidents equal? It's MLK weekend, and I'm reminded that, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

I was going to say that our religious nuts aren't as numerous or well organized, but I don't know how many Tea Partiers or Open Carry loons are Muslim or Jewish or Atheist. I do like Chris Rock's tweet, "I love how the news says "Radical Islam" to sensationalize. For some reason I've never heard the Ku Klux Klan called "Radical Christianity"."

Am I on the "right board"? Depends, I guess. I come here for links to other stuff, some that I wouldn't find in other places. The thing is, usually I know better than to post anything because this place is full of whiny white people who follow each other around from OP to OP sniping and snarking at each other instead of actually doing anything. I was having a slow Friday and I made a mistake. My bad.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. Hearing about lunatics like this
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 08:58 PM
Jan 2015

really makes one wish they could be gathered in one isolated place and given a little neutron bomb theory. Maybe a couple of doses for good measure.

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
6. They want an earthly paradise that never was
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jan 2015

They want to return their corner of the world to a pre colonial state, with none o that there book larnin, no foreign cultural contamination (except Islam, of course), no one who ever asks uncomfortable questions that the boku haram (unclean book) movement can't answer. They think if they go back to about the twelfth century, people will exist in their natural state as noble savages who all blindly follow the right imported religion.

Unfortunately, this movement has a lot of government support, which is why the response against them has been lukewarm, at best, leaving villagers to fend for themselves.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
8. This is what I can't figure out
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:37 PM
Jan 2015

I've followed the geopolitics of it, and I don't know what they want besides "Islam and Sharia", engaging in human and drug trafficking and mercenary activity along the border.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
12. Personally, I think they are a cult of death and slaughter, of the same ilk as those who cut off...
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jan 2015

...the hands and arms of children and abducted other boys to be child soldiers in Sierra Leone.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/charles-taylor-liberias-former-president-finally-faces-punishment-for-his-horrific-war-crimes-8845092.html

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/africa/082299sierra-leone.html

There is no ideological justification for such horrific behavior. None. Whether they acknowledge it or not, and no matter the name they give him, the god they worship is one of death and slaughter.

Boko Haram is composed of criminals, and they need to be hunted down and brought to justice. It should not be considered too late for the girls stolen away by them; they too should be traced and rescued, along with any children they may have borne due to their slave-marriages.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
14. Power.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:14 PM
Jan 2015
http://viziblr.com/news/2013/12/29/orsquobrien-describes-the-future-from-orwellrsquos-1984.html

O’Brien: How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?

Winston: By making him suffer.

O’Brien: Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but MORE merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress towards more pain. The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy — everything. Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always — do not forget this, Winston — always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — for ever.

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