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applegrove

(118,677 posts)
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:26 PM Jan 2015

Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection

Report Finds No Substitute for Mass Data Collection

By DAVID E. SANGERJ at the NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/politics/report-finds-no-alternative-to-bulk-collection-of-phone-data.html?smid=re-share&_r=0

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WASHINGTON — A federal study released on Thursday concluded that there was no effective alternative to the government’s “bulk collection” of basic information about every telephone call made in the United States, a practice that civil rights advocates call overly intrusive.

Last year, after the former intelligence contractor Edward J. Snowden revealed details of the government’s vast data-collection enterprise, President Obama asked intelligence agencies to assess whether there was a way to get at the communications of terrorism suspects without sweeping up records of all calls made and received inside the United States, including their length and other identifying information.


On Thursday, the National Academy of Sciences, in a detailed report that brought together communications and cybersecurity experts and former senior intelligence officials, said that “no software-based technique can fully replace the bulk collection of signals intelligence.” But it also concluded that there were ways to “control the usage of collected data” and to make sure that once it is in the government’s hands, there are stronger privacy protections.

The findings came a year after Mr. Obama announced modest reforms to practices of the National Security Agency that had been revealed by Mr. Snowden, including doing away with a huge government-run database of phone records and instead relying on separate databases managed by phone companies.




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Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. They are collecting data on international calls, I do not see it ceasing in the near future.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:43 PM
Jan 2015

If they continue to follow the rules of going through FISA in obtaining warrants it is legal by the Fourth Amendment. If they seek further warrants to wire tap through FISA it will be legal under the Fourth Amendment.

PSPS

(13,600 posts)
2. Sorry, but nothing legal ever eminates from any "secret court"
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:35 AM
Jan 2015

The FISA "court" is just a rubber stamp. The number of requests not approved in a year can be counted on one hand. Plus, there is no adversarial process in this secret "court." In other words, it's a complete sham.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. Does the Fourth Amendment address whether the court is "secret", don't think it does. Legal, the
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:38 AM
Jan 2015

denial is the sham. The Constitution has to be interrupted as it is and not as some may want. The Constitution has stood the test of time and will probably continue to do so.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
4. I agree.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:52 AM
Jan 2015

FISA seems to be a rubber stamp.
It's all 'legal'. Part of the reason law libraries are so big. (And dense!)
The government will virtually always win. I think that's just the way we built it.

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