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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:48 PM Jan 2015

NYC Turns Its Back on NYPD

By JOSH MARSHALL Published JANUARY 15, 2015, 4:40 PM EST

The verdict is in: New Yorkers really don't like Pat Lynch and they really, really don't like cops turning their backs on the Mayor at police funerals.


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New York City voters disapprove of police officers turning their backs on the Mayor at police funerals by 69% to 27%. 77% think police union President Pay Lynch's "blood on his hands" remarks were "too extreme" and no racial or gender subset of the population considers the comments "appropriate."

Though there are big differences across the city's racial groups 47% of New Yorkers say de Blasio's actions since he began his run for Mayor show he supports the city's police. 37% say the opposite.


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Pat Lynch is deeply unpopular, an accolade he shares with Al Sharpton Voters give Patrolmen's Benevolent Assn. President Patrick Lynch a negative 18 - 39 percent favorability rating and say 43 - 27 percent that he is a mostly negative force in the city. Rev. Al Sharpton gets a negative 29 - 53 percent favorability, his lowest score ever, and voters say 51 - 37 percent that he is a mostly negative force in the city, also his worst score.


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Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
1. I'm happy to see the numbers for Lynch
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:53 PM
Jan 2015

I thought his behavior was over the top. It's nice to see other agree.

Sharpton has always been relatively unpopular, so that's not news. He's had a much higher profile lately which is probably why his numbers are so high. It's a sign that DeBlasio needs to jettison him.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
6. The OP's post is a very selective reading of the poll.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:46 AM
Jan 2015

Not only are deBlasio numbers "meh," at best, but the approval rating of the NYPD ranges from 56-71%.

The mayor would kill for the NYPD's approval numbers, no less the stellar approval and trust ratings of Bill Bratton, who has quickly become politically indispensable to deBalsio, but without anything to keep him firmly loyal.

A read of the entire poll indicates that although the public did not like the back turning by the police officers or Lynch personally, it made little difference in the NYPD's overall approval ratings, and the public was not particularly impressed by the recent actions of both the mayor and NYPD. Since the mayor is the only party that has to run for reelection, and since he does not have civil service and union protections, the poll is probably not inspiring great confidence in Gracie Mansion.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
8. Bratton is loyal to this mayor and will remain so.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:07 AM
Jan 2015

de Blasio has nothing to really worry about in the end. There is no one tgat could beat him.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
10. The mayor is only one year into his term, so nothing can yet be inferred.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:43 AM
Jan 2015

As to who could beat deBlasio in a couple of years, who knows. Nevertheless, I doubt anyone in our liberal city ever anticipated that we would be governed by the likes of Guiliani and Bloomberg for 20 years.

More importantly, deBlasio's lessening popularity reduces his political capital, and deBlasio is hovering below 50% from an (unsustainable) high of over 70%. Poor relations with the NYPD is also notorious for causing irreparable harm to the political careers of NYC mayors. In fact, I believe deBlasio is using the dismal one term of David Dinkins as a "how to" of what not to do as mayor of NYC.

Lastly, I would not take Bratton's long-term loyalty and support as a given. He may be a smart man of excellent character, but he is in the twilight of his career, and most certainly has nothing to prove. He's already successfully served as police commissioner of Boston, New York and Los Angeles, and his prior time in NYC was under Rudy Giuliani where he initiated the "broken windows" policing that is unpopular among many minority constituencies today. He's definitely not an ideological liberal and does not have a long or personal history with deBlasio. Bratton's also financially very well-off and came out of the private sector at the request of the mayor. He may be a good soldier now, but if deBlasio tries more stunts like meetings between him and Sharpton, who's enmity of him is well-known, or otherwise takes his political support for granted, Bratton could easily choose to gracefully retire or move back to the private sector. DeBlasio need Bratton now far more that Bratton needs the mayor.

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
13. Went through the poll numbers
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:17 AM
Jan 2015

1. The mayors approval ratings have gone up on the issues surveyed (which are limited to crime, police and sharpton)
2. The approval for police is 56%. (though it doesn't ask for approval of mayor)
3. His approval of handling crime is 50%, 6% less than the police approval

I don't think you can take a lot from this poll on how the city feels about his job overall. Especially with 3 years left. Politicians have risen and fallen in less time -- Bush I was at near 90% approval 2 years before he crashed.
As long as Lynch is the face of the PD it will help the mayor.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
15. I bascially agree.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 04:27 AM
Jan 2015

Although, the police approval by community is as high as 70+%. My overall take on the poll was that except for a few outliers, most New Yorkers have not been too impressed by either the mayor or NYPD, but they've also not been particularly surprised. Conflict between the NYPD and all NYC mayors is a NY as the Yankees and Statue of Liberty. Lynch and Sharpton certainly poll badly, and Bratton looks quite good. Given their personalities and reputations, I doubt that will change.

I do believe, however, that the mayor has more to lose with continued open confrontation with the police, particularly if he wants to focus on other social priorities. The Garner choking and Ramos and Liu murders definitely came at a poor time for the mayor so early in his administration (although no time could ever be considered good). I also believe that once the arbitration on the PBA contract is done, absent any unforeseen tragedies or political shocks, much of the more public tensions between the NYPD and deBlasio will likely calm considerably.

It should definitely be interesting to read new polling concerning the mayor's popularity which I anticipate will happen in the coming weeks.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. It isnt all cops, not all are turning their backs, if the cops would stop following
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:14 AM
Jan 2015

Lynch direction it would shut him down, union members are strongest in numbers and they can stand against a bad leader.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
5. Be careful about turning your back on a cop
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:19 AM
Jan 2015

he'll likely assume you're "going for your waistband" and open fire.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
11. Fire the insubordinates.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:47 AM
Jan 2015

Why should anyone remain on the payroll if they behave that disrespectfully and with such contempt for the people they are supposed to serve? I think they are a menace and wrongly behave as if they are answerable to no one. Can 'em.

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
12. The Mayor's crimes ?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:57 AM
Jan 2015

He told the truth.
He showed empathy.
He questioned "authority".
He revealed that he fears for his bi-racial son's safety.
He accused some of the NYPD of abusing citizens.
He spoke from his conscience and his sense of humanity.

Verdict:

He must hate cops.
He is a big, bad meany
He broke the rules of "covering-up".
He inspired people to hate and kill cops.

Response:

Police will pout, sulk, hold their breath, stomp their feet,
roll their eyes, Un-friend him from Facebook, and show
him nothing but silent scorn.

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